Finally dug up some stuff on this. It's part code is the XE7R (for reflector).

Very nice. Very, very nice. Sad part - it's not out yet. The local Harley shop said that it's not coming out until later this month.

Projector is always superior to reflector.

I won't disagree with you there.

Does the XE7R have projector?

The XD7 referenced above does.

Well, I just completed the HID retrofit writeup/article on the H1. My end cost after all the parts (excluding personal labor) is $315.

http://24.248.84.138/hummers/headlig...D_retrofit.htm

Really cool upgrade! And killer lighting pattern!

-Steve

these look cool!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H2-HUMMER-SYLVANIA-XENAR...temZ8019042277QQrdZ1

Those look like the first generation Xenarc X6024's. They work, are DOT rated, but create a bit of a hot spot at the middle, with some peripherial light scattering on the side.

ah poo.

I miss the Denali lamps (projection) I had in my sierra. I added a set of Hella ballasts with Philips Utilion bulbs (6000K). I was so happy with that set-up.

I then tossed some in my yoda, but there was tons of wasted light. (reflection)

I would like to do the H2 with some projections like others have done here, but I will wait on it. I have other things to do first!

You set-up looks good BTW Beastmaster!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
Those look like the first generation Xenarc X6024's. They work, are DOT rated, but create a bit of a hot spot at the middle, with some peripherial light scattering on the side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Great lights but you have to aim them properly yourself. You eliminate the hotspot in the middle, but it still has some hot/cold spots thoughout.

The price is too much since they are not making those any more and there are better options. 3 years ago, that's all you could get that would work decent.

Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route.

I've updated the page. I was asked by another owner to show the pattern and coverage while being further back from an object or a wall.

I've been able to do that. Now you're able to see the coverage from side to side as well as how the spot up in front of your vehicle shows up using these lights.

Same link:
http://24.248.84.138/hummers/headlig...D_retrofit.htm

You'll see the new stuff on the bottom.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks! It took me about a year of experimentation to come up with this setup.

I really can't see how we all have to deal with crappy headlights. Halogens and DOT specs make for a really bad combination.

The question is - would someone buy it if I ever offered it for sale? My cost was $315. If I sold them for say, $350, would it be worth it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
ah poo.

I miss the Denali lamps (projection) I had in my sierra. I added a set of Hella ballasts with Philips Utilion bulbs (6000K). I was so happy with that set-up.

I then tossed some in my yoda, but there was tons of wasted light. (reflection)

I would like to do the H2 with some projections like others have done here, but I will wait on it. I have other things to do first!

You set-up looks good BTW Beastmaster! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. It's kinda funny - my wife's sedan has E-Code spec headlamps. I like driving that at night because of the superior lighting pattern. Not anymore!!!

E-Code Hella's combined with the low beam only HID capsules worked out far better than I thought they would. It's good enough that I rarely need highbeams now. And I haven't gotten flashed at all.

I still want to see pictures like what I did with the wall aiming shots with projector units. The XE7's definitely pique my curiosity, but the dimensions require me to literally destroy the headlight buckets to run them. Not something I cherish doing.

Besides, doing what I did for the price I did them for, I think it's a killer upgrade that will give huge gains. And, it's easy enough to do on nearly any truck with a 7" headlamp.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh - dumb question. Do you still have any pattern pictures of when you were running the X6024 Sylvania's?

-Steve

MD_SAILOR, did you get your light set?

Check these out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bi-Xenon-HID-Conversion-...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Most Bi-Xenons aren't dual bulb versions. Fascinating!

Those are strange!!! All bi-xenons I have ever seen only have one burner in the bulb, and just flip up a motorized cutoff plate to allow more light out when the brights are turned on. I guarantee that those are not dot approved!!!

And it's got separate ballasts/ignitor sets for each bulb. So you end up with 4 ballast/ignitors.

I can't see high beams really being useful unless they stay on all the time. But ouch - 70 Watt HID's per reflector? Wow. You'll never need anything else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh - dumb question. Do you still have any pattern pictures of when you were running the X6024 Sylvania's?

-Steve </div></BLOCKQUOTE>They're still in there. I'll have to remember to do a picture this weekend. I guess I could search and see if I have a picture on here. Seems like I put them in around the first of '03 or so.

PhilD also did them and figured out how to tap a hole to get to the other aiming screw to get them set right. I kept taking them in and out a couple of times and got lucky on the aiming.

I took some time to calculate what those dual bulb HID H4's would create. The units listed on eBay are 6000k bulbs.

6000K HID bulbs = 2500 lumens per capsule. 2x2500 on low capsule + 2x2500 on high capsule = 10000 lumens out of both headlights.

In comparison:
60/55w Halogens = 1500 lumens per bulb on either low or high. 2x1500 on low + 2x1500 on high = 6000 Lumens.

80/80w Halogens = 1900 lumens per bulb on either low or high. 2x1900 on low + 2x1900 on high = 7600 lumens.

5000k HID = 3000 lumens per bulb. 2x3000 on low = 6000 lumens (which equals stock halogens with BOTH low and high turned on).

So - if (and that's a big if) you were able to get ALL the light efficiently onto the road and into a useable pattern with that eBay special, you would have quite a bit of light - who needs additional lighting?

Thats what I was thinking and 70watts is not that bad considering some jackasses are run 80/100 watt piaas in their OEM buckets. Only H4's have the motorized cutoff(or a cut-off between the filament on halogen H4 bulbs). 9007 have side by side filaments so in theory they will work perfect in the OEM buckets with no mods.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
They're still in there. I'll have to remember to do a picture this weekend. I guess I could search and see if I have a picture on here. Seems like I put them in around the first of '03 or so.

PhilD also did them and figured out how to tap a hole to get to the other aiming screw to get them set right. I kept taking them in and out a couple of times and got lucky on the aiming. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh. Cool. The reason why I'm curious is because Allan Madar's picture is taken with photographic equipment that's a bit older, and therefore not as adjustable via PhotoShop.

I need to beat on NJ H2 next and have him get me high res pics of what he posted. Those are probably the best garage shots of the XE7's I've seen yet. There's a couple of jeepers that did the XE7 projector upgrade, but their stuff was all final install shots and no garage wall shots.

Thanks!
Steve

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr. I - Man:
Thats what I was thinking and 70watts is not that bad considering some jackasses are run 80/100 watt piaas in their OEM buckets </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but those 80 watt PIAA's are only putting out 3800 lumens. 6000k HID's put out 5000 lumens.

So, for 70 watts of draw, you're able (if you can get the high/low beam to do BOTH at the same time) to put out 10000 lumens of light. That's painful....and yet very, very fascinating! I know that even with the high cutoff range of the Hella E-Codes, there would be a TON of light leakage with both high and low beams on at the same time.

If I didn't have this spare HID set that I'm waiting for a fellow Hummer owner to pay for (on vacation right now), I'd get one of them and swap these in place of my McCulloch's.

You know, I just thought of what I just said. High beams will leak light anyways past the horizontal glare line - so who cares?

The more I think about these units, the more ideas I come up with.

Take this eBay special, and put the capsules into a PIAA 525, which is a dual beam H4 based lamp. Wire them up to give you the ability to turn on the high and low beams of the capsules (and their respective ballasts and ignitors) separately. If you did that, combined with ANY of the HID setups, you'll have:

HID Headlamps - 6000 lumens total
PIAA 525 HID mod low beams - 5000 lumens total
PIAA 525 HID mod high beams - 5000 lumens total.

That combination will then crank out 16000 lumens, in a controllable low beam/high beam/low and high beam auxilary light, with either low only HID reflectors or low/high projectors.

That amount of lighting is equal to 10 PIAA 520's putting out a mere 1500 lumens each (roughly).

All with only two auxiliary lights in the front. Nice, huh? And a total draw of about 17.5 amps. (35 watts per ballast x 6 ballasts = 210 watts of draw. Divide by 12. 17.5 amps is the draw). Compare that to 45.8 amps for the 10 PIAA 520's [(55w x 10)/12].

-Steve

Check this site they make custom projection HID. NJ H2 have a set. Theu look pretty good and are Bi-Xenon projector.

Sorry forgot the site http://www.hidtech.com/

Riddle me this? If the projectors are so superior to reflectors. Why do the Baja buggy and Trophy trucks rock the reflector HID setup.

I don't see any projectors on those vehicles, you would think if they were a better light source they would use them. They would save a lot of space a weight.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
The more I think about these units, the more ideas I come up with
...
-Steve </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steve,
How does all this lumen stuff relate to candlepower. Putting on lights recently, I researched state laws for home and surrounding states and they all have statutes talking about 300 candlepower limits on all lights in operation. Isn't candlepower luminous intensity? How can you get from a manufacturers rating wattage and lumens ratings to candlepower accurately, or can you?

Basically, are these statutes ancient cruft or something that the states can actually prosecute you on?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr. I - Man:
Riddle me this? If the projectors are so superior to reflectors. Why do the Baja buggy and Trophy trucks rock the reflector HID setup.

I don't see any projectors on those vehicles, you would think if they were a better light source they would use them. They would save a lot of space a weight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Projectors give better light patterns, but technically aren't as durable. They rely specifically on optic precision to help generate their light pattern.

Reflectors are far more durable. Free Form reflectors with clear lenses will outperform any other light in terms of durability.

That's why all off road units tend to use reflectors.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ree:
Steve,
How does all this lumen stuff relate to candlepower. Putting on lights recently, I researched state laws for home and surrounding states and they all have statutes talking about 300 candlepower limits on all lights in operation. Isn't candlepower luminous intensity? How can you get from a manufacturers rating wattage and lumens ratings to candlepower accurately, or can you?

Basically, are these statutes ancient cruft or something that the states can actually prosecute you on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's kind of crap. Here's the relationship.

Lumens is a definition as to how bright a light is. It's measured within a device called an "integrating sphere", and identical lights will have nearly identical lumen values.

Candlepower is a measurement of the amount of light intensity based upon a specific distance. It's also dependent on how focused the beam is and how far away your measurement tool is from the light source.

Candlepower figures are useful only when you have lumen figures to compare with it. For example:

You have a KC Hilite HID light that's pencil beam, and you have another KC Hilite HID light that's driving beam. The Pencil beam and driving beam both use the same D2S bulb, so both have the same lumen rating.

However, the Candlepower settings are different. Pencil gives you 3 million CP, the driving beam gives only 750k CP. The difference is the focus.

So CP really is how intense the light focus is given a specific area, Lumens is how bright the light actually is based on the bulb itself.


Correction - Pencil gives 600k, Driving gives 75k.