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KenP 10-26-2006 01:17 AM
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So... uh... We can visit....?

Probably shouldn't. You'd keep me up late drinking.:giggling:

ratesguy 10-26-2006 02:59 AM
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shotgun for home protection. Perps know the sound of a pump action and know that accuracy is not an issue. Handguns are not accurate at anything other than close range. I keep a model 11 auto under my bed, ammo in the closet 4 steps away. Perps can still hear the unmistakable sound of the action when I chamber a round.:beerchug:

h2co-pilot 10-26-2006 03:20 AM
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First of all - you should carry, you should get your own gun, and you should practice a TON.


But most important --- Think of the great conversions you could have at your tea parties.

"Hey, did you see those new Gucci handbags that just came out?".

"No, but check out this Glock. I could cap you Mo Fos right now........"


LMAO! I think I just woke the whole family.:o:D:D:D

lotus4s 10-26-2006 03:38 AM
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I racked the son of a bitch once and the fvckers heard it and ran away.


An old retired deputy told me once, "it doesn't matter what nationality or color they are, everybody speaks shotgun".

:jump: :jump:

PARAGON 10-26-2006 03:58 AM
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I practice the run the other way while firing backwards drills

PARAGON 10-26-2006 04:04 AM
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Here you go, a Gucci Glock.

Since I know that's not your style

here:

Mr. I - Man 10-26-2006 05:10 PM
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A shotgun is a very formidable weapon and certainly intimidating. I have a Beretta FP1201 in the bedroom, but I'm a great believer that an unloaded firearm is an expensive club, so it is loaded and the only sound a BG would hear, well actually he wouldn't hear any sound.

A shotgun does not make a very good carry weapon, a pistol does. You can have a pistol nearby 24/7.

As to the accuracy of a handgun, you can engage targets out to 25 yds while moving with a good degree of accuracy, although in 99% of self defense scenarios there is rarely a need to use deadly force against someone 25 yds away. If you do need to engage at those kind of distances, use the handgun to get you to a rifle.

The beretta does not make alot of noise when you chamber a round. Its more of a suprise weapon than a deterent. I have the same weapon same setup at home shells are stagger loaded first shot 00 buck, second shot Hydro Shok Sabot slug and so on. If you don't hit him with the spread pattern first shot The second shot you will have an accurate shot for aleast 30 yards when the would be jacker is attempting to flee.:clapping:

KenP 10-26-2006 05:27 PM
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I think once you have a BG in the house, the deterrent effect is less important than simply stopping the threat. If someone is in my house my sole purpose will be to stop them, not deter them.
Is that how the English say "kill them"?:giggling:

Mr. I - Man 10-26-2006 05:39 PM
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I think once you have a BG in the house, the deterrent effect is less important than simply stopping the threat. If someone is in my house my sole purpose will be to stop them, not deter them.

Just have to remember what is in there, don't want to shoot a slug through a wall and possibly in to whoever may be behind the wall., Also a slug can and will bounce back at you if it hits something solid enough. Slugs reuire you to aim, shot doesn't. Nothing wrong with slugs, but 00 is plenty effective in a shotgun for defensive duty.

Some people like to mix rounds up, I personally don't. Much easier to use all the same ammo and you'll get much more consistant results.

Hydro Shok Sabot bounce??:confused: . Lead Mushrooms with steel posts in the middle tend not to bounce back at you or over penetrate too much. Remember its not a deer slug its a people slug:D

I figure if by chance of a divine intervention the 00 does not stop the Fvcker he is gonna be beating feet out of there thats where the range of the slug comes in handy .

CO Hummer 10-26-2006 05:43 PM
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Funny thing about Colorado - You are only "allowed" to shoot a BG if he's "demonstrating intent" to harm you while inside of your house! :mad: What a load of crap. If I wake up in the middle of the night and find some guy walking around in our house looking around - he's going down, and I'll question him later if he's still breathing.

The stupid law actually creates the incentive for a second shot. :D If he's still breathing, you know he'll end up suing you later as he tries to prove how he was "harmlessly" walking around in your house. So...........boom, boom. No witnesses. But you do need to carry plenty of ammo because if he's in your house with buddies, you'll pretty much need to make sure you get all of them. :D :D :D

CO Hummer 10-26-2006 06:20 PM
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The BG's family will sue you, even if the BG is dead. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose :mad:

Good point. I guess you have to take out his wallet, see where he lives, then drive there and take care of them too. :D

DRTYFN 10-26-2006 06:39 PM
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Good point. I guess you have to take out his wallet, see where he lives, then drive there and take care of them too. :D
Keep a couple of rolls of this stuff handy for those wrapping projects, scout out a dumping site beforehand and bring an accelerant to destroy any physical evidence. :shhh: :giggling:

wpage 10-26-2006 07:38 PM
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Good advise about a local range for advise and trying out what feels good in your hand. Lots of choices in calibers small and big bore. Grips smooth or soft rubber. Barrel lengths for range accuracy. Then decide.
Some folks buy the gun first which is backwards...

PARAGON 10-26-2006 08:10 PM
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Good point. I guess you have to take out his wallet, see where he lives, then drive there and take care of them too. :D
:dancingbanana: :jump:

PARAGON 10-26-2006 08:11 PM
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Good advise about a local range for advise and trying out what feels good in your hand. Lots of choices in calibers small and big bore. Grips smooth or soft rubber. Barrel lengths for range accuracy. Then decide.
Some folks buy the gun first which is backwards...
:lame:

Dug 10-26-2006 09:10 PM
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Got a Rem.7400 for christmas. I'd like to leave it loaded beside my bed but i have little kiddies and have to hide the ammo. Besides the only intruders we're apt to have here is a bear or two.

PARAGON 10-26-2006 09:54 PM
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FWIW, I don't employ a shotgun in my personal defense, at home or otherwise as a first weapon choice.

While hugely effective during the shot, it's effectiveness to get to shot is, in real world, not efficient. The very nature of it's size and complexity leaves room for error. With kids, lawsuits, practicality of having it at the ready, I don't choose it as the first weapon. In reality I am likely to get hands on a handgun quicker and be able to effect control with it in my situation. In cases, where time or location permits, an M4 is likely next and the shotgun next.

Just personal choice with my home, kids and personal training.

Mr. I - Man 10-26-2006 11:02 PM
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FWIW, I don't employ a shotgun in my personal defense, at home or otherwise as a first weapon choice.

While hugely effective during the shot, it's effectiveness to get to shot is, in real world, not efficient. The very nature of it's size and complexity leaves room for error. With kids, lawsuits, practicality of having it at the ready, I don't choose it as the first weapon. In reality I am likely to get hands on a handgun quicker and be able to effect control with it in my situation. In cases, where time or location permits, an M4 is likely next and the shotgun next.

Just personal choice with my home, kids and personal training.
I wish!
Chicago = no handgun or assault rifle:crying:

Mr. I - Man 10-26-2006 11:06 PM
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:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

PARAGON 10-26-2006 11:49 PM
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I wish!
Chicago = no handgun or assault rifle:crying:

"Toward Enemy" :giggling:

wpage 10-27-2006 12:54 AM
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"Toward Enemy" :giggling:
They let you own a Gun?

PARAGON 10-27-2006 03:37 PM
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They let you own a Gun?
f'ing moron

PARAGON 10-27-2006 03:41 PM
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They let you own a Gun?

"They" even let me carry one in New Jersey

Mr. I - Man 10-27-2006 05:38 PM
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"Toward Enemy" :giggling:

Actually my Plan B is to pop my S&W CS riot agent baseball put my FP mask and kick the sh*t out of the BG as he coughs,gags and slips and slides on his own mucous, blood and tears.
:jump: :jump: :jump:

Now that brings da funnay!!


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