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The first ride-along I did sucked. The officer was reactive, not-proactive. He just sat around waiting for a call, not really making himself visible.

My third ride-along was the best. It was set up by my Trooper friend. I rode with a buddy of his on the Portsmouth PD. AWESOME!!!

Right out of the box we went to a place called "Hell's Kitchen" by way of curb hopping, driving through the basketball courts, etc. Got there just in time for a Narc bust. The officer told me to watch my back if I got out since I was wearing a tie and jacket.:eek: I got out, but kept looking around.

Then we had the bottle winged at us.

Later we hit another ghetto and damn if he didn't go chasing some other thug.

Again, none of this happened at the Beach. I doubt "Cops" will ever come here again. Did you see that episode? Boring....

Had the unfortunate chance to see this the day after Thanksgiving:
http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...932&ran=242759

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Again, I disagree. And I think that is where the rub is here and with most.

LEO's are just civis doing another job, correct. But they answer to and are the enforcement of the law of the land. As an extension of that law, when you disrespect an officer, you disrespect that law. You cannot conveniently separate the two just because there are some bad apples that don't handle their responsibility as a LEO very well.

The fact that an LEO is stopped on the side of the road with in a traffic enforcement situation might seem like any other job. But the fact is that he might need to evade some delusional lunatic and take a step out into traffic to keep from getting sliced, or shot. The fact that he is a LEO is completely relevant.

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Thanks Dei, I'll keep that in mind next time.

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I can't find a pic of Frog flipping off Sheriff Buford T. Justice.;)

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Since we are talking about cops... I thought we could all take some time to enjoy these classics.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cop/1/0F155674-EE59...D37-3E92A2B64E7A.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cop/1/4E5DC0A0-19B8...104-F0E639576A13.htm

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Oh my gosh? what have I done???
Don?t get me wrong. I do respect the police officers. I was pissed off because he did not set up the flares and did not have the police car blocking the road. All he was doing was putting 3 orange cones. Like I said before, it was dark and that cones were not visible.
I was not speeding at all either; I generally don?t drive fast. I stopped at the light, and tried to make a left turn, then I saw the orange cones. So, I stopped again and try to turn around and this is when the police officer yelled and cursed.
All I am saying here is that he should have setup the flares 1st so that the general public could see that the road was closed.
I did not flip him off. All I told him was that he should have setup the flares 1st instead of yelling and cursing.

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I lost interest halfway through this thread...

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Yes, you are whining on the internet.

Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her? :rolleyes:

Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.

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Springs police officer killed during traffic stop


By ANSLEE WILLETT THE GAZETTE

A Colorado Springs patrol officer shot while helping two other cops with a traffic stop late Monday on the city's southeast side died early today.

The officer, whose name is expected to be released later today, was pronounced dead at 12:18 a.m. at Memorial Hospital. He's the second city police officer killed this year in the line of duty.

The alleged killer also was shot during the gun battle about 11:30 p.m. Monday on Fountain Boulevard between Murray Boulevard and Jet Wing Drive. He was taken to the hospital in critical condition and is expected to survive, police said. His name has not been released.

The second officer


wasn't wounded. A third officer was in a patrol car at the scene when the shooting occurred.

The officer who was killed was providing backup for the cop who pulled the car over at 11:14 p.m. on the bridge that crosses Sand Creek. The driver was believed to be driving under the influence of alcohol, but it wasn't clear if that was suspected before or after the traffic stop, said Sgt. Mark Stevens, a spokesman for the Police Department.

"Normally, if an officer does a traffic stop, he talks to the driver," Stevens said, "and if he feels he needs assistance, he will call for help."

When two of the officers approached the car in the westbound lanes, the driver opened fire on them, Stevens said. The officer who was fatally wounded was near the driver's door when he was shot.

Hours after the shooting, about a dozen police cars remained at the scene. At least nine orange cones near the alleged killer's car marked evidence, including shell casings. Police slowly walked up and down the westbound and eastbound lanes, using flashlights to look for more evidence.

"It's just sad. Two in one year," Lt. Rafael Cintron said, referring to how many officers have been killed.

Officer Jared Jensen, 30, was killed Feb. 22 near Memorial Park while trying to arrest a fugitive. He was shot once in the face from less than an inch away at a bus bench at Costilla Street and Hancock Avenue. His gun wasn't drawn.

Jensen's alleged killer, 31-year-old Jereme Lamberth, was charged with first-degree murder. Federal agents found Lamberth hiding in an abandoned cabin near South Nevada Avenue and Interstate 25 about 90 minutes after the shooting.

Lamberth was wanted at the time for allegedly stabbing his sister about a dozen times.

Lamberth was expected last month to enter his plea in Jensen's killing, but it was postponed until Jan. 25. Prosecutors will have 60 days from the arraignment to announce whether they'll seek the death penalty.

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On behalf of the rest of the American Public, I don't support your sentiment.

You're right, the public doesn't "owe" him or any other LEO anything, but they deserve more.

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Can anyone tell me what the part number for the muffler bearing is?


:popcorn:

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OFF-TOPIC !!

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ya think?

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No way, never. I am not required to respect the law. I am only required to obey it. There is a huge difference. Likewise, I am not required to respect any officer, only obey him so far as he acts within his legal authority. If I can flip off an everyday Joe for driving like and idiot, I can flip off a police officer for doing the same. They can earn my respect, and they will get it. But it is NOT something that anyone can demand, just based on a voluntary decision to take a paid civil service job.


No, it's not. Your argument, like many others', presupposes that the police officer does not make a voluntary choice to choose his employment and the associated risks. Killing an "civilian" is no different than killing a police officer. Both are equal.

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You'll need to define "deserve". What do they deserve?

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Not very often.

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CO Hummer,

It is obvious I will not succeed in swaying your opinions at all.

I was simply trying to defend my occupation and those that practice law enforcement. I don't know your sister, I assumed she is professional, (as I would with all cops until they show me otherwise) if you took my meaning wrong, I'm sorry.

Cops are not perfect they just do the best they can with what they have, they make mistakes like everybody else. They are held to the highest standards. If in trouble, they will pay a higher price.

I love my job and try to be laid back in my approach with the public. Respect is a two way street. If you give it you get it. It doesn't always work, but I always try. :beerchug:

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You are correct, you'll not sway my opinions. :D

But if you think my opinion of law officers is that they are all bad, corrupt, or act illegally, then you are dead wrong. I believe a number of them take the position with an intent of doing good for the public, not just to make living. I tip my hat to those guys, and you are possibly one of them. The majority of police officers take the position because they simply like doing the work, love the commaradere, and make a decent living. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that either. You don't have to have an inherent love for the public to simply do the job, accept the risks, and get paid.

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respect and obey, is the same thing. To disrespect law is the same as to ignore it. I am not saying that's what you meant, but that is what I meant when I say respect.

To respect a LEO and the Law has nothing to do with the individual officer. It is your duty as a citizen to abide by the laws of the land and respect those laws as you are required to do to live within that land.

You are, indeed, required to respect law. If you do not, you pay the price with your freedom. The definition of respect as used here is not to hold a person in regard, but the acknowledgement of that that exists... the law.

I'm not sure why you have such disdain for civil service. You turn the fact that someone that volunteers for crappy pay on job where they are highly likely to get killed by the scum of our society would be somehow less than the same if said person was forced into that same job.

The very fact that these individual DO volunteer to do this should garner a little respect and I can't fathom why it's such a stretch to do so.

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look it up... I would think you meant to ask to define "more"

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If you think I have a disdain for civil service, then you haven't been reading what I've written. This sounds like an emotional response to my posts. Whether I "care about" or "disdain" civil servants is completely irrelavant to the discussion. The fact that a person is NOT required to do the job means a lot. He can be admired, and respected. But it is not a requirement, nor does anyone inherently "deserve" respect. To determine whether someone "deserves" respect is based on ethics. You can't arbitrarily blend ethics into the discussion.

I do, in fact, respect those officers that take the position to truly serve the public. For those that don't (ie. just treating it as a job, and nothing more) I simply have no extra respect or disrespect.

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What we see, depends largely on where we stand. I don't know where you formed your opinions about police.

You don't have to respect a judge either, (and I've had several that I have disagreed with) but, they have never witnessed any disrespect from me.

They know facts that are unknown to others, and make decisions that in light of those facts, I have disagreed with. If I were to act that with the same level of disrespect to that judge as some members of the public have acted with me, I would not only be fired, but would be rotting with the other "Protective Custody" inmates in jail.

I realize my job is different, I don't expect respect. I do think it's funny though when some arrested person who has been acting completely out of there minds while dealing with the police, gets to the jail. Corrections guys don't take nearly the crap those of us on the street are forced to deal with.

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quite frankly, I have read exactly what you've written. You offer no personal respect to the individual who puts his life on the line for YOUR and your family's well being... that's disdain.
No, it's not. It's the basis you are using to argue your point. If you are using an emotional position to provide for argument, then there's really no point as common sense really wouldn't make much sense because you can't argue emotion.

care to explain? do you not feel any respect for anyone that served in the Armed Forces either? Someone that wasn't required but chose to do something that could easily cost them their life is still doing the same job as someone forced. I still don't think you understand. Respect for the law is not admiration nor adoration. It is acknowledgement thereof and your civil agreement to abide by it. When a LEO dons his badge he is an extension of that law and as a citizen you are most certainly required to respect him and that law. Not respect as in think he is a really cool guy, but respect as in respect the deadliness of a firearm, respect the danger of rock climbing, respect the forces of nature, etc.

That is the term I originally used and to say you don't have to respect an LEO or the law is the same as saying it's OK to disobey the laws.

I believe that is where much of this is misunderstood. Secondly, it seems you are breaking this down to the personal level and not at the law/legal/pragmatic level. I have no regard for any LEO that abuses the authority offered him by his badge and don't think it provides an excuse for anything but personally respectable behavior.

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I was following you until you said that...:confused:


Care to explain?

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I don't want to get into a lot of individual circumstances, but one for an example;

I took an intoxicated, fighting badass, multiple felon, - to jail for beating a lady he didn't know, in front of her children. He fought me and several other police officers and spit several times on the way to jail.

At jail intake, during the searching process he spit on the corrections guy and pissed on the wall. They jumped on him, stripped him naked, hog tied him and wiped up the pee with his own clothes. Then hauled him in the back to complete the booking process. It might not be right, but I left smiling.

I'm not trying to act like a cop here. I'm sorry I brought up my occupation now. Here, I am just a guy with an opinion. The title of the thread inspired me to give mine.

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Hey man. Look at what you wrote! You ask me if I "feel" any respect, then you call it a behavior. You are right - I'm not necessarily getting what you've been refering to about "respect".

If respect is a feeling - I have admiration and adoration for some, and not for others. Not a big deal, and you are not arguing that.

If respect means to "act legally", then I agree that everyone should do so (presupposing that law is 'good', of course).

But whole tone of offering 'respect' for law officers, military personnel, or whatever has been to the tune of "they deserve more than others based of the risks they take". If respect is simply about obeying the law (as you say), then it's nonsensical to talk about respecting one more than another. You can "obey more" or "act more legally" to someone.

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Ok, I deal with that daily from intakes or anyone of the other 500+ inmates..

I'm still trying to figure out why on the street is harder than behind the wall.

I have done both... Behind the wall is an entirely different world than out on the street.

Not trying to offend, but have you worked in a large jail? Want to spend a day with me?

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I meant absolutely no disrespect whatsoever!

The whole thing is perception. The public expects to see restraint on the part of the police, they could be shocked by some of what happens routinely in a jail.

I tell stories with my friends, in front of my wife. Sometimes she cringes. When my jail and prison friends tell stories, I cringe.

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My uncle worked in a prison, and he had a LOT of stories. Many of them are hilarious.

I always laughed about the morons who crapped and pissed all over their cells to spite the gaurds. Needless to say, they were totally :OWNED:ing themselves because the guards simply let it sit there and kept the inmates stewing in their own juices.

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Just checking... :D


I gotta go now.. time to head to my "easy" job... lol ;)

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Just wow.

I think that any job done by a human will have varied results and everyone deserves respect.

My friend has two brothers that are Cops in CA. And they are complete dickheads.:giggling: The stories make me LMAO. Then I have met many that are a decent as can be. It varies like mailmen.

Generalizations and assumptions are never a good idea in either direction.

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Typical stupid woman comment. :rolleyes:

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Typical Welder's Jargon.....:rolleyes:

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If all moderators weren't so stupid, you'd be banned.

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Those two quoted statements were my point.

Originally I said you HAD to respect the legal arm of law, the LEO. As the discussion developed it appeared that your stance, even though it sounds personally disrespectful to those that do serve to protect others, you took it to mean I was saying one had to have PERSONAL respect for the officer, which are 2 completely different things.

Personally, I do respect each and every officer, just as I do each and every service member before and more-so that I respect you as a normal civilian. The very fact that they are volunteering to put their life on the line to protect MY way of life, IMO, deserves that kind of personal respect until they do something to lose it.

Sorry, in all reality they are not volunteering to provide a civil service by collecting my water bill or gather up my garbage. They actually may come close to a deadly incident once a year, may have to draw their weapon on another human being several times in their career and decide if they should pull the trigger or not, play marriage counselor nearly every day, go through a door not knowing what caliber weapon is on the other side, etc.

IMO, until they show that they don't, they deserve respect both personally and as that extension of the law.

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are you ghey

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No. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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Don't be, it's an honorable job.

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Better for welding and sewing.:giggling: