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:jump:

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You didn't cut the holes for the eyes did you? I hope not. That has to be done while wearing the hood, and not before. Ever.

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I'd tell you to look at Stormfront if you wanted to be shocked. But in your case I would advise against it on the grounds that your head may explode if you do.

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I'll pass on viewing the White Nationalist Community website, thank you. I read enough about people like that in my Intelligence Report magazine from Southern Poverty Law. But thanks anyway. :)

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Im not to in to the WN movement myself. But, MORRIS DEES You buy in to that scumbag? Really? When you have a moment, put down your intelligence report I'll give you something else to read.
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/...orcePapers.pdf

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The person who circulated that makes no claims on its authenticity. However, it very well could be true. Just because I support their cause doesn't mean the person in charge is perfect or someone I'd personally support. For instance, I like Marilyn Manson's music but don't like him as a person nor do I support his atheist ideals (no offense to atheists on the list). SPL does open eyes to things that are going on that are bad. Personally, I love all people and can't stand prejudice and racism. I'm not judging anyone and I'm not angry you sent me the link. Any information you didn't previously know, is a good thing. Thank you. :)

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Do you love Criminals? Murdering SOB's? I know the bible says forgive. But I believe that was put in by some bleeding heart liberal when the bible was being translated. I like the part in the bible about an eye for an eye.
I say bring back firing squads. 1 year worth of appeals. 10 Lie Detector tests that are admissable and truth serums. As the GREAT AXL ROSE OnCE SANG, "You Know where You are? You in the Jungle Baby and YOU GOING TO DIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE!" Welcome to the jungle, welcome to the jungle It's going to bring you Dowwwwn! Hough!"

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That was mature. I don't like criminals or murderers. Lie detectors are not admissible in court due to their lack of reliability. Do you really want to be accused of a crime and go to prison because someone went by a lie detector test? Truth serums only lower inhibitions and make people talk more, sort of like liquor. ;) They are also not a reliable source. ~Kim...huge fan of GnR but hardly someone I'd use as an example for my political views. I think I give up but given my big mouth, I somehow doubt it. :)

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Just for you Tower. Can you get one for my Buddy. This is the funniest Skit ever. Especially the reason why he left his wife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BRP65ZQPzg

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I forgot how darn funny that was. I love Dave Chappelle's stuff.

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Holy shat this thread turned "south" ;)

Naw wut en tha tar natioun iz goin aun round hear?

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Fair enough. But, how do you know that what the SPLC sends out is 100% authentic?

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I don't. Some of the articles have been in the news so I know about their authenticity. Otherwise, I read and move on. :)

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I said make the lie detectors admissable. Make them take ten over the life of their appeals, added with truth serums, DNA, and other evidence and with each application administered your errors go down. I do not think Axl was giving political advice there. He was singing a song but that song is what should apply to violent criminals. They should DIIIIIEEEEEE! Hough!

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The guy is a comedic genius.

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You can't make the lie detector admissible if its reliability is in question. Same goes for the truth serum; its effects do the same thing a few drinks will do. I like the adage, "It is better to let ten guilty men go free than one innocent man stay." How many people have been released after years of sentencing only to find out they were innocent after DNA testing? I'm seriously not arguing with you and haven't a thing against you whatsoever...you seem nice. However, I'll always defend and debate my views. :) Besides, you're young. You might just change your mind later. I know I did. (that wasn't being placating or condescending either)

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this is the only wrong thing you said......

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Heh, then I'm doing pretty good. :) I actually try to keep my mouth shut, it's just a hard thing to do.

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You can say what you want to me. I do not hold a grudge. I may get snippy like a bitch but I have no reason to not like anyone but violent criminals.
As far as your argument, When you add failed lie detectors to truth serum to DNA to witnesses to circumstantial evidence to physical evidence, you have a stronger case than dn, witnesses, circumstantial, and physical.

The fact is The Lie Detector and Truth Serum is as good a way to prove innocence as it is guilt. The guilty don't trust it. I took one in my life for a break in at a country club and I was let go. If I passed the lie detector I would want it admitted.

The more avenues you take to prove something the less chance you have at being wrong. Once you have the physical evidence and the circumstancial evidence and witnesses, the lie detector and truth serum just wraps it up in a bow. Without it, they are still going to jail.

I would not be for basing a case on a lie detector but once the guy is on death row, I think Lie Detectors (Along with DNA and other avenues) could help us speed up the process amd get the bastard off the books asap.

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I'm a criminal justice major and I have one degree already. That doesn't make me an authority of any kind. It does make me have the tendacy to debate it more. ;) Debate is a good thing though. Sometimes I can change my mind and see it from someone elses viewpoint. Crime fascinates me (I don't mean that in a weird way). Mostly the part about why people do what they do and what we all have in us to be able to do the same given the right situation. Anyway, I'm rambling. I appreciate everyone's opposing views and have enjoyed this conversation sans the remarks I thought were prejudicial at the beginning. You all have a wonderful weekend.

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Wow! This thread is buggin!

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What school? What's your other degree/major? I'm curious have you ever heard of Kirk Bloodsworth? The first deathrow inmate to be exonerated by DNA evidence? After meeting this guy I changed my view on the death penalty...I was hardcore pro-death for most of my life. Until the system gets overhauled I won't even consider the other side. I'll listen to it but nothing could sway me at this point.

It probably doesn't mean much coming from me, but I'm glad you have the stance that you do...you know, from what I've read in this thread.

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:giggling:

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I hope a person of color made that picture. After all, uncle al sharpton said we cant use the word negro anymore. I wonder if the said picture were to pre-date his announcement would it be grandfathered in somehow? :confused:

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HAHAHAHA!!!!

Americans and their problems.:jump:

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You said it sister.

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It actually means a lot having someone on the same side I am. I only have my AS right now but it's in Criminology and I go to Florida State, which has the best Criminology program in the country and the only underwater crime lab. (here in the Panama City Branch Campus) I'm a die hard anti-death penalty person and have been all my life, that's never changed. Anyway, I want to be a criminal intelligence analyst. I already do some things on the side towards that goal. :)
PS How'd you get to meet Kirk Bloodworth? You can PM me if you don't want to discuss it here.

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I don't mind, I was taught humility a long time ago....

On the same side may be stretching it though....

I think and feel that the guilty on death row deserve to die for committing heinous crimes. I just don't feel as if they deserve my pity. I don't like the way I feel after seeing/hearing someone die. I've seen my share of death -- 20 years in the military. Hope that makes sense. We all know that the government makes mistakes. When it comes to capital punishment, it should never make a mistake. It's a mistake that could happen to any of us or our kids. I believe the system needs an entity to watch it or police it rather than police itself. Again, I hope this makes sense.

Kirk Bloodsworth. I was taking a biology class and we were studying the structure of DNA. In one of the labs we were required to extract DNA samples and analyze them. I'm no science geek, but once we got down to it I found it really interesting. KB was in town for a lecture at Seattle U Law that same night. I saw the advertisement on a sandwich board outside the law building and decided to go. The dude told the story of how everything went down "cradle to grave." In his story he mentioned that he was a marine. As always the book sale and signing followed so I bought a copy and shot the breeze with him for quite a long while. That dude went through hell in prison -- for 10 years.

Long story short, I realized what happened to him could happen to anyone. In the wrong place at the right time...the same way people earn medals in the military. Till they can get it right 100% of the time -- we need to think about the error of putting innocent people to death.

Now if anything ever happened to my wife or any of my kids, that'd probably be a different story -- I might find myself face to face with the death penalty for vigilante justice. Like I said before, I’m glad you and many others take the stance you do.

Oh and Florida state is a great school! Good luck with your degree -- nothing worth having ever comes easy!

I did write a reflection paper for a professor about the lecture, if you want to read it pm me.

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It makes perfect sense. I might not believe in the death penalty but yes, if it were my family perhaps I might change my mind. It's easy for me to take that stance when I'm not a victim, of course. Thank you for responding, whether you're on the same "side" or not. :) Your story was very interesting.

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Wait til a violent crime hits your family. You Libs like to fight the fight for the people who do or don't do. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water just because the baby peed in it once. All those victims out there and your fight is for the person who caused the victim to be a victim. You sir sicken me.

Let's release the Jena 6 because they may have had some racial tension in their case. Nevermind if they did it or not. Oh that man killed your daughter. Oh he raped her and beat her with a bat. Let's care about the Killer not the victim. He should not have a needle in his arm. It's inhumane.

Disgusting.

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First of all, you know nothing about me whatsoever. You don't know how many victims I've dealt with on a personal level or who I've helped. So don't be so quick to f*cking judge someone. I was polite before but now you're just pissing me off.

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Just for the record I'm not a SIR! I'm a girl.

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(*chough*) A femenist liberal :eek::eek::eek::eek:

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I'm not a feminist. You can hold the door for me anytime. Just because I'm liberal doesn't mean I'm a feminazi. Far from it. :)

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I am just joking with ya, please dont beat me up. :)

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Why would anyone hold the door for a die hard liberal who thinks criminals should be kept in prison for their entire lives instead of getting the punishment they deserve. Maybe once you get out of college, start paying taxes and realize how much it costs to house an inmate per year you'd change your tune. I for one don't like paying for someone to sit in prison and rot from 18-60+ when they die...especially if they've been sentenced to death.

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Careful, or she'll put you in a headlock and smother you with her armpit hair!

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Good lord, how young do you think I am? Get out of college? I pay taxes dearly since I run my own business. I'm 40 for Chris'sake. Besides, do your research. It costs more to put someone to death than it does to house them. I'm tired of defending my viewpoints. I'm not going to change my mind just because someone tries to intimidate me. I can hold my own anytime.

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You've got to be kidding me. Keep reading your liberal rags.