DRTYFN,

On earth, I still consider you as an H2 buddy.
I won't judge you for what you believe .

WHEN WE DIE, WE WILL KNOW WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

That's it and that's that! Let's not have some stupid debate and demean each other.

Brad, Jim,
Don't get so serious, it's all fun and games.
Fer ****s and giggles man! Picking in DRTYFN would be a mistake. He's well liked .

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Christians are not perfect just forgiven!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As a Catholic, I beg to differ.

DRTYFN,

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

DRTY,

Your funny! Why would God create us with free will and then try to control us? You aren't making sense.

God's forgiveness is for everyone who will except it, not just Christians.

Your the one who keeps coming up with pictures of fire and brimstone. I never mentioned Hell to you. Also, one night with that girl and you will be itching in strange places for eternity. So have fun!

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

DRTYFN,

That chic is HOT!

Thanks Dennis,

Your right, when we die we will know who is right and who is wrong. The problem is if DRTY is wrong he can't go back and change his mind.

Because Christ is my Lord I care for DRTY very much. I hope something happens in his life to open his eyes to the truth.

I won't pick on DRTY anymore since he is well liked. I didn't know this forum was a gang. ;-)

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

Hey!

I found Hell! It's all 4x4 Country!!!!!!!!!!

SWEEEEEET!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Typical christian response.
I think you mean "accept".

ex·cept ** prep.
With the exclusion of; other than; but: everyone except me.

You better be careful that you use the right wording, or you could end up next to me.

What do you get to do in heaven? Is there sex in heaven? And if so, with whom?

Thanks DRTY, "accept" it is.

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUTJim:
Thanks Dennis,

I won't pick on DRTY anymore since he is well liked. I didn't know this forum was a gang. ;-)

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a gang Jim! Just a bunch of guys having fun.

It's bad enough with the TROLLS and all and now we get Religion involved.

It'll get boring quick.

Imagine.....The CHRISTIAN H2 FORUM,


He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

If I was given free will to make my choice and I didn't make the right one, then if god is all forgiving why wouldn't he forgive me? He made me, so why wouldn't he make me so I'd make the right choice? Is he making me so that I'm doomed from the start? He is all-seeing & all-knowing, so he should have known what I was going to do before he allowed me to be created. So won't he know from inception that I was flawed? Shouldn't I be forgiven for his doings since I was destined to fail, or is he just playing sadistic games with us? I would think that he be proud of me for thinking on my own and questioning everything.
When you answer this don't fall back on your bible class programing, think for yourself.

Holy Crap Dennis! How in the world did you find that picture? Satans Kingdom is about 15 minutes from my house here in Connecticut! Nice spot to swim & fish. Long way from B.C.!

Also, I went to Hell on my honeymoon. Hell, Grand Cayman that is


- Dan

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DRTY,

I was raised in public schools so I am not warped by Christian or Catholic teachings. I researched many religions before concluding that Christianity was the only way. Heck, if I was to choose what religion was the truth, I would be Mormon. There is a ton of sex in their heaven!

As to God knowing someone was doomed before that someone was even created, I could spend pages debating this but it all boils down to the definition of "Free Will". It wouldn't be "Free Will" if God didn't create everyone with equal oportunities. It is not God's fault that someone is going to spend their entire life rejecting Him. He would not be a just and fair God if He did it any other way. God can't force people to love Him. That is why He allows people to be born even though He knows they will never love Him back. He gets no enjoyment out of seeing someone reject Him.

DRTY since some people don't care to read about this "Off-topic" stuff you can send me a private topic. Otherwise, I got to get back to work!

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

Then if he gave us free will and we choose to reject him then he should give us unconditional forgivness. If he gets no enjoyment from us rejecting him then why all of the "I'm a jealous and wraithful God" crap in the bible? Sounds a lot like "worship me or you don't get a prize" to me.
Organized religion is so flawed it's pathetic.
And I'll keep this public so that free thinkers can see how kooky your thought process is.

Dan,
Cool pic. What is that? Volcanic formations?

DRTYFN,

STOP!!!!!!!!! You're clouding my mind! STOP!

Hey Oregon isn't far from here. Next Spring I'm gonna drive there to either to do some OFF ROADING with you, or SMASH the GOOD BOOK across yer face .

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

DRTY,

I've got you pegged now.You are like the school bully who likes to pick on the weak in front of others because it makes you feel better about yourself. Maybe that is why you are well liked by many on this forum. Your one of the forum bullys. But, when challanged one-on-one in private, you won't have an audience, so there is no gratification for you.

God is a jealous God. He created us and wants a relationship with us. That is a no-brainer. I don't know where you are getting "wraithful" and "vengefull" from. I am not a Bible scholar such as yourself. I know that it is mentioned in the Bible, but under what context?

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

Never ever a bully, you religious dildo.
The reason I declined the offer to enter a private topic is that that way there's no way to re-interpret what was said at a later time. This doesn't give me any gratification at all. I know that no matter what I say you'll continue to keep your head firmly planted in the sand.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>God is a jealous God. He created us and wants a relationship with us. That is a no-brainer. I don't know where you are getting "wraithful" and "vengefull" from. I am not a Bible scholar such as yourself. I know that it is mentioned in the Bible, but under what context?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jealous god? Just great. Ever have a jealous girlfriend? It sucks and it's not healthy. If god wanted unconditional love he should have created a planet full of dogs. But he gave us free will, so he must have done it for a reason.
Do you have children? Do you want them to grow and flourish, expanding their minds and horizons, helping them up when they have fallen and sraped a knee, sending back out to play. Or do you want them to go through life constantly thinking of how to please you, fearing your wraith if you become displeased?

DennisAJC,

Here's a pic for modern times!

Check out the OkC Chapter Page!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Dennis,
I know you're probably kidding about smashing the book in my face, but too many fanatics aren't. Step back for a minute and the religious folks(christians, muslims, ect) sometimes look just like the other militant groups like enviromentalist nuts, gays, ect.


SUT,
Another reason to keep this public is so others can chime in, since it's not usually socially acceptable to do so. So I'll be the damned heathen to start.
Like I said before, if I'm gonna go to hell, then I'm going to work on getting a room uprade.

I think I'll pass on church. Thanks anyway.

DRTY,
If I am a religious dildo, your the one who gets off on using me. You get way too much pleasure out of persecuting followers.

A little jealousy in a relationship is actually healthy according to the books I have read (they weren't religious books).

I don't know where you learned about God, but I assure you that you have Him misunderstood. You obviously have been misinformed. I would advise you to read the New Testament. The first four books are about a God who loved you, yes you DRTYFN, so much so that He was willing to be born into this earth, go through toddler years (which means that He loved you so much that he became a helpless baby and even had messy diapers for you DRTYFN , He also probably had acne and was teased by school bullies such as yourself ), then He was persecuted and crucified by the very same religious leaders that you despise! He walked this earth preaching what you are preaching on this forum (Well, not everything ) Then, three days later He rose from the dead to prove He was God and was ruler over death. He went through all that thinking of you, DRTYFN. But you continue to mock Him.

Now who is the cruel one DRTYFN?

God allowed you to be born even though He knew you would reject Him and mock his followers. You should at least thank Him for that. Where you spend eternity after life is 100% in your hands. I would book that room in Hell fast because the good ones are going fast .

You continue to focus on "religious" rules, when Jesus came, He said there are more important things then "rules". He knew the religious leaders carried things too far.

Your analogy is right. God is our Father. No good father would want harm to come to his children. You are like the child who thinks they know more then the parents and goes ahead and plays in the street. Eventually you are going to get run over. Your Father in Heaven loves you very much DRTYFN.

I already know what your response to this will be. You keep focusing on the same twisted issues. I just wish you the best my friend.

-SUTFAN

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

DRTY,

To answer your question re: predestination go to the Bible(I know you have one). Read Romans Chapter 9 with a particular emphasis on vrs 11&12. This cleared that up for me.

SVTJim,

Sow a seed but don't cast a pearl before swine(and I don't mean DRTY) He's fun to play with and no doubt raised in a family where he was given many opportunities to respond. As a matter of fact he reminds me of myself about 13 years ago

Thanks N2ITNSD.

Have you ever gone to Torrey Pines in San Diego? I fly paragliders at the glider port at the cliffs almost every other weekend. Orange Wing, look for me.

-SUTJIM

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

Jim,

I have my SEL license(single engine land) so when I fly up the coast I am usually UNDER you guys. I love to fly about 50 feet above the water(it feel like your gear is going to touch) and climb out around Del Mar.

I have flown full scale gliders and R/C gas and gliders and even jumped from 16,000 ft but paragliders is one thing I have never tried. Got a 2 place?? And hey what the heck, If it fails it sounds like we have reservations at the same mansion

BTW Romans 10:9-11 rocks for me!!!

N2ITNSD,

I used to fly engine but now just paragliders. You can take a tandem ride for $150 maybe less if they know your with me. You can fly RC gliders there too if you have one.

If your flying by and see my orange wing, rock your wing to say Hi.

Hey, I just realized, below Torrey Pines is Blacks Beach. Now I know why you fly so low

seeya soon SUTJIM

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

Blacks is not my kind of place, Its a target rich enviorment but not my kind of targets, if you know what I mean

Besides I am very happily married.

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner

[quote]Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Dennis,
I know you're probably kidding about smashing the book in my face, but too many fanatics aren't. Step back for a minute and the religious folks(christians, muslims, ect) sometimes look just like the other militant groups like enviromentalist nuts, gays, ect.


DRTYFN,

I agree that this religion **** is going too far. That's how WARS are started. I REFUSE to preach so I just joke about it.

Hey there are guys in prison for RAPE, MURDER,
THEFT, who are "BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS" But I'm sure Jim will not be opening his doors to invite them for dinner.

Usually the ONES(not all) that preach to the top of their lungs about God and the Word are the ones stuggling with thier own devils of temptation and deviate fantasies.

I don't belittle or preach to others who don't share my beliefs. Friends are friends. If they don't like me for my religion,color,class,
...**** EM.

Remember, it's what YOU believe that's important. AHHHHH hell...this thread went for ****!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Dan,
Cool pic. What is that? Volcanic formations?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I believe so. Theyre supposed to be around 1.2 million years old. They have a town post office so you can send mail from Hell

Do some web searches for Hell, Grand Cayman for more info...

- Dan

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SUT on order 12/02. 9 months down, 9 to go!
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You Guys crack me up . This is just like Thankgiving or CHRISTmas around the table with my father in law. No hard feelings, but my feeling's run deep too.

Nothing like a good discussion with open minded people

I would rather live it and it not be true than not live it and it be true.

You guy's keep talking about religion, it is not about being religious it's about a personal relationship with Christ, what is in your heart not what religion you belong to.

I agree that a lot of churches have problems and act rather stupid but the bible tells us to work out our own salvation. No one is trying to force anything on you guy's but as christians we are supposed to tell people about Christ and you can feel the way you want to it is totally your choice.

I made the statement that Christians aren't perfect they are just forgiven, well forgiveness is for anyone that ask Christ in ther heart. My statement merely was saying that as Christians we make mistakes as well.

I'm am not the type of person that is going to hound anyone about my beliefs, I just wanted to respond to a few things in some previous threads.

As far as I'm concerned I'm through talking about it unless someone has a question for me.

I'm all about having fun and joking I'm glad everyone can cut up and not get mad.

OK let's all move on. Don't want to lose Forum friends over this.

We are all(at most) friends here and share at least a common sin...THE H2 baby ya! Let's keep it that way.

Praise be ALLAH !!!!!

AYYYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAAEEEEEIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Right on Brad.

1st Peter 3:15 states it pretty clear......Allways be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you, a reason for the hope that is in you....

Im a non jammer too, but just ask me and I love to share

Agreed, let's move on.

One last jab, because I can't resist...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>quote:
Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Dan,
Cool pic. What is that? Volcanic formations?


Yeah, I believe so. Theyre supposed to be around 1.2 million years old. They have a town post office so you can send mail from Hell

Do some web searches for Hell, Grand Cayman for more info...

- Dan
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But according to the bible all of creation is only several millennia old. So how could those formations have been formed 1.2 million years ago? Like I said, the religious logic(oxymoron) is severely flawed. If you're gonna talk the talk, walk the walk.

Let's get back to Hummer fun stuff, o.k.?

FORGET WHAT I SAID!!!!!!

DRTYFN,

TO HELL!!!!FSSST!!!!FSSSST!!!! AAAHHHHYAYAYA!!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Whew! That was getting stale.

What was the topic again?

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

So we can't discuss zircon helium dating

[quote]Originally posted by SUTJim:
DRTY,
If I am a religious dildo, your the one who gets off on using me. You get way too much pleasure out of persecuting followers.

A little jealousy in a relationship is actually healthy according to the books I have read (they weren't religious books).

I don't know where you learned about God, but I assure you that you have Him misunderstood. You obviously have been misinformed. I would advise you to read the New Testament. The first four books are about a God who loved you, yes you DRTYFN, so much so that He was willing to be born into this earth, go through toddler years (which means that He loved you so much that he became a helpless baby and even had messy diapers for you DRTYFN , He also probably had acne and was teased by school bullies such as yourself ), then He was persecuted and crucified by the very same religious leaders that you despise! He walked this earth preaching what you are preaching on this forum (Well, not everything ) Then, three days later He rose from the dead to prove He was God and was ruler over death. He went through all that thinking of you, DRTYFN. But you continue to mock Him.

Now who is the cruel one DRTYFN?

God allowed you to be born even though He knew you would reject Him and mock his followers. You should at least thank Him for that. Where you spend eternity after life is 100% in your hands. I would book that room in Hell fast because the good ones are going fast .

You continue to focus on "religious" rules, when Jesus came, He said there are more important things then "rules". He knew the religious leaders carried things too far.

Your analogy is right. God is our Father. No good father would want harm to come to his children. You are like the child who thinks they know more then the parents and goes ahead and plays in the street. Eventually you are going to get run over. Your Father in Heaven loves you very much DRTYFN.

I already know what your response to this will be. You keep focusing on the same twisted issues. I just wish you the best my friend.

-SUTFAN

Sorry to start this up again, but I went back and saw this load of crap and had to respond.
SUT, you're one pathetic brainwashed wackjob. What an disheveled, rambling mess.
I'm really going to try to let this one die out, because it's really not fair to fight with someone as deluded as you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Agreed, let's move on.

One last jab, because I can't resist...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>quote:
Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Dan,
Cool pic. What is that? Volcanic formations?


Yeah, I believe so. Theyre supposed to be around 1.2 million years old. They have a town post office so you can send mail from Hell

Do some web searches for Hell, Grand Cayman for more info...

- Dan
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But according to the bible all of creation is only several millennia old. So how could those formations have been formed 1.2 million years ago? Like I said, the religious logic(oxymoron) is severely flawed. If you're gonna talk the talk, walk the walk.

Let's get back to Hummer fun stuff, o.k.?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey c'mon now, dont drag me into this!

Just passing on what I remebered the guy at the place told me. That was 6 years ago & about 500 beers later so my memory may be flawed

- Dan

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SUT on order 12/02. 9 months down, 9 to go!
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Sorry Dan,
Like I said, I just had to get in one more jab. Don't know about you, but I'm done.