brrrr-

"Think about that ... the average person. The average person can't afford to spend 50K on an H2 ... ot even the gas bill, so they assume that anyone that buys an H2 buys it for image, are wasteful & don't understand why you got an H2 not a suburban. I think most folks don't understand why a pickup truck, or a suburban can't do the same things for you utility wise. And I don't think the H2 puts off the image you folks think it does.... especially to the average person. Average people don't look at your H2 and think how cool you are. Average people think you are driving the biggest vehicle, with the worst gas mileage, taking up the most amout of parking space and trying to prove how successful you are by doing do. And yes, if you are using the biggest gas guzzler ever, as a daily driver, for driving yourself to work in these days of high arse gas prices, people are going to dislike you. I'm not trying to attack & it's nothing personal, thats just the way it is."

The problem with your statement above is that the majority of the audience here I would venture to guess isn't "average" and really doesn't care what the "average person" thinks. Hummer has done a study on the "typical buyer" of an H2 and to be quite honest with you I don't think the "typical buyer" is any where close to the "average person".

But, ulitmately, it comes down to the fact that the reason we (not speaking for myself but the rest of the majority here) own it is because we CAN... And that's the beautiful thing about it.

And additionally, don't tell me how the "average person" looks down on us for our ownership of an H2 and it's gas guzzling propensity. Keep in mind that it is the "average person's" fault, the voting public, who is to blame for not scrutinizing their own government when it comes to the Energy Policy.

It would be one thing if Congress and the President grew some nuts and attacked the energy crisis issue head on. You'll be very enlightened to learn that Congress and the President have been working on an energy policy to eliminate the American reliance on foreigh oil and natural gas since Richard Nixon was in office. So as a self-proclaimed advocate of the "average person", blame him and blame your congressman and president for the energy crisis we now face for having not taken care of the issue when it came to light 30 years ago.

(If you would like to read more on the issue of the energy crisis, pick up the 7/21/2003 issue of TIME. There is a great article that includes cries of injustice from the "average person"... and a nice picture of the H2 with a caption of "GAS GULPER".)

*member of the "No Hummer Krew"*

Well said once again HD.... You da man...

I think that all things aside, this one needs to die out, it will get nasty and I know it already has, but it is on its way to getting worse...

WOW, Ididn't think I was making a statment of my ranking in society, yearly income, driving habbits, and how I felt about the enviorment not to mention how I feel about others. I just thought the H2 looked bitchen. The FACT that it does well off road is a plus.

Brain fade, sorry

I have beed off roading with Steve R and I have seen what the H2 can and it is impressive.
I get tired of hearing about people bashing other rigs. You simply Wheel what you can afford.
The objective is to have fun and share offroading with others.

I want an H3!
XM satellite radio,killing AM and FM one sub at a time!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
In conclusion: I have a $50,000 toy that I most probably overpaid for.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's your money, you earned it. Spend it and have fun. That is all that matters in the end.

Wow what a thread

I remember when I was happy to own a 1973 Pontiac Bonneville clamshell tailgate wagon with rust spots all over it. It was transportation and I owned it. I was proud of my 1974 Ford f-100 with the gold centered bullet hole wheels. Mustangs, camaros, Vegas', bugs then came my first Jeep wrangler. I was proud of that Jeep. I fixed her up. I spent lot of time and alot of money "at the time" on 'er.

In that time in my life I had way more time than money. Now I have more money than time. Where in the past a $79 body lift and 8 hours of my hard work was the only way my stuff was going to get lifted. Now I order whatever I want and have employees install it for me.

Will my h2 go off road? doubtful but, they are building a house around the corner from me and sometimes a few clods of dirt get on the street. Therefore I believe that I am going to install a set of 37x13.5 Mickey Thompson Baja claw radial tires with the new MT beadlock wheels along with a some kind of a 4-6inch lift kit. A Magnacharger for that extra little oomph in case I need to clear that mud clod out of the tires, 2 winches one for the front and one for the back. While I'm at it I'll install a DVD player with surround sound and maybe 3 or 4 LCD screens so I can watch a movie in my air conditioned H2 after I use onStar to call a tow truck to pull me off this slick spot on the road because I just don't feel like getting out and using the winch.

Maybe I should have bought one of these instead of my "no off-roadin" H2.
http://www.lamborghini.com/

I am as Proud of my H2 as I was my 1973 clamshell Pontiac. If folks are proud of their jeeps thats great. I have customers that are damn proud of there suzuki sidekicks and geo trackers.

Who am I to judge another mans life and who is he to judge mine.

Dan from Alabama

don't worry about it...

in ttora (national tacoma club), jeep recovery vehical stickers are popular...

its all usually in good fun, I wheel with anyone as long as they are there to have a good time...

but it's always fun to show up a modded jeep with a stock taco ;o)

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

or a modded taco with a stock H2...

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

[quote]Originally posted by Detonate:
It looks like pay back is a bitch. Someone vandilized one of thier jeeps.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=2dcd14d69919a2b048ded916eb67c3a4& threadid=33810&perpage=15&pagenumber=137

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
_Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder_[/Q

that isn't cool, he had nothin to do with it!

only in a jeep

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Will my h2 go off road? doubtful but, they are building a house around the corner from me and sometimes a few clods of dirt get on the street. Therefore I believe that I am going to install a set of 37x13.5 Mickey Thompson Baja claw radial tires with the new MT beadlock wheels along with a some kind of a 4-6inch lift kit. A Magnacharger for that extra little oomph in case I need to clear that mud clod out of the tires, 2 winches one for the front and one for the back. While I'm at it I'll install a DVD player with surround sound and maybe 3 or 4 LCD screens so I can watch a movie in my air conditioned H2 after I use onStar to call a tow truck to pull me off this slick spot on the road because I just don't feel like getting out and using the winch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That cracks me up ......good one!

My own belief is that most of the Hummer bashing is a bleed down from the original H1. So to say its a stigma that the H2 owners have to deal with, unfortunatly. The H1 was the standard at the time of over-excess.
I think that if there were'nt any H1s and just the H2 then there would be a totaly different outlook towards said vehicle.
I do not care what one owns or drives as long as it makes them comfortable, but everyone does not have that view. I like to wheel with anyone, no matter what they may take off road. A mixture of all types is much more fun.

So I guess some people will take offense to the Sticker I put on my Daughters Honda Element
"H2 Escape Pod"... She thought it was absolutely a scream.. Her neighbor who owns one thought it was a slam to all Element owners. Oh well humor is humor or maybe not....

Mike

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Her neighbor who owns one thought it was a slam to all Element owners. Oh well humor is humor or maybe not....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some people just cant take a joke or even see the lite side of things in life.....to bad for them

I think there is way to much emphasis on what you drive. Get a vehicle that you like that you can put to good use and enjoy what you have.

I like the H2's as a concept but haven't had time to wheel with any. I expect to see more and more of them. The comming H3's will really be popular due to price so be prepared for what's to come.
Personally I am sick of where new trucks and SUV's are going with marketing ahead of engineering so I am in my last New vehicle.

fist off, check out pic's of my Offical Jeep Recovery Vehicle:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...95670656XIqZHR
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...95670906aVJZwb
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...95671293DChJPI

and also...

no matter what offroad brand you own, there are always jerks who own the same vehicle as you...
I have found from personal experience it's about 25%...
it goes for jeep's, yota's, h2's, s-10's, ranger's (yes even ford owners...lol)...
you get the picture...
there will always be people thinking they have God's gift to offroading, and if you don't have what they have, then you shouldn't be on their trails...

I led a jeep club a few weeks ago, and for a wile, the only 3 rigs who made it up a hill were my runner, a taco with open diffs and 32's, and a sweet locked jeep with 35's...

(after we got the 3 jeeps up who were having trouible a stock jeep with stock tires made it up like nothing...)

very halarious...lol

anyways...
just ignore the jerks, and laugh at them when they get stuck...lol
later,
Mike

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
However, our last event was a desert run through sand washes, steep hills and long roads where we blasted through at speeds in excess of 60 mph. Trust me when I say a raised, short-wheelbased, SFA vehicle would not have kept up with us...not even close. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dang
sas or long travel ifs?
decisions decisions...

in my area, there are very very few areas to do high speed offroading, so sas'ing and building a rock crawlew is more efficient...
but a desert runner would be so sweet!!!

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dan:
But to go so far & say that the ones that never see dirt are all mall queens is a little short sighted. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you are correct
an offroad capable vehicle which never sees dirt is a street queen, not a mall queen...lol

I make fun of one of my buddies all the time,
he had an awsome sas taco,
but sold it, and got an extra cab taco...
did an 8" ifs lift, and riced it out...
it is a major street queen...
(he recently put 35's on too...lol)

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brrrrrrrrr:
And yes, if you are using the biggest gas guzzler ever, as a daily driver, for driving yourself to work in these days of high arse gas prices, people are going to dislike you. I'm not trying to attack & it's nothing personal, thats just the way it is.

http://www.2bbdelta.org<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

a lot of wakkage in this post, a lot of bad spelling,
but just a fact I wanta point out...
I believe ford made some suv a few years ago that averaged 6mpg...
(note: I too am a bad speller, so you are forwarned for all my present, past, and future posts...lol)

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CO Hummer:
You hit the nail on the head when you say "ENVY". It's plain and simple the reason for all the bashing. I'm not suggesting that everyone wishes they owned an H2. A lot folks would much prefer to have a Jeep, Rover, whatever. They are simply envious of the ability to buy one. It's cleverly disguised in all the B.S. But when you strip it all down, that's the root cause. Of course, the response to my comment will then be "you're so arrogant...to think me envious of you". Arrogance has nothing to do with it. There is no other rational explanation. Every clan of vehicle owners has their share of bad ducks -- in the same proportion. However, you only see the H2 targeted so radically. Envy drives society - you see it everywhere. Politics are nearly 100% based on envy. Vote for me and I'll take his money and give it to you. It works. Brrrr refers to "the public" as perceiving us in a bad light. That same "public" is the one who votes for any politician (Bill Clinton, Al Gore) that promises to redistribute wealth. Why would we expect that the "public" would feel any different about us?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol
just 1 more semester still my masters, and then 2 more years till my PE...
then comes mo money mo money ....lol
jk

speaking of that type of thing..
I want an old cobra with the 427... hehe

when I can afford, I'll build a rig (or buy one), and trailer it to the trails...

thats after I have my cobra of course... hehe

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeE:
dang
sas or long travel ifs?
decisions decisions...

in my area, there are very very few areas to do high speed offroading, so sas'ing and building a rock crawlew is more efficient...
but a desert runner would be so sweet!!!

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hob...></BLOCKQUOTE>

Think outside the box, be IFS Core, and go LT.

i'll put an end to this..........Jeeps are better......there is nothing else to say.....don't respond to this statement because it is a fact.

only in a jeep

for cryin out loud...how did this get back to the top of the list? I drive a slightly modded jeep - I have wheeled with H1s and H2s...can a stock Jeep Rubicon outwheel an H2? can a stock H2 outwheel and H1? blah blah blah
I like to wheel with people who want to wheel - I don't care what you bring as long as you BRING IT TO WHEEL...period.
I like to say - if you can't afford to break it - don't follow me. Maybe you can afford more of a vehicle - that's cool. Class envy is reserved for those with no class. Everybody hates the Rich - but they still play the lotto.
Sure "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" but that is because the Rich do what made them rich over and over - and the poor do the same...go figure.

this is a childish thread...it should have died back in July when it started.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeep:
i'll put an end to this..........Jeeps are better......there is nothing else to say.....don't respond to this statement because it is a fact.

only in a jeep<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

laugh and point at you!
just for your info..
my stock '02 taco with open diffs and 31" road tires... has run with locked heeps with 35" MT's

and, Marshalls sas taco with 33s has out wheeled any jeep I have ever seen...
I have personally seen him out wheel locked jeeps with 35s and 38s...

(his rear diff is welded, his front was open the time he out wheeled the jeep with 38s and locked front and rear...)

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

I am still active in ttora, and ... a jeep club...lol
but I started my own club with a few friends

http://forums.delphiforums.com/rockssweatgears/start

so far, it's my 2 yotas, a blazer, and a bronco...

if any of you are in the ohio/pa/wv... area, join up...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

I always bash heeps...
lol
I love wheeling with them, and showing them up ;o)
then I play sub with my taco... dive dive dive...lol

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...67968299QLDWuy



I've been super busy with work and class (finals are finally over)
being an electrical engineering service engineer... I am on call 24/7, the week of thanksgiving on,I have had almost no free time...

it'll be worth it when I graduate this spring with my masters in electrical engineering...

(then I can look forward to the 2nd 8 hour exam to obtain my PE)

anyways...
back to wheeling,
my alt died on the way home from wellsville on the last trip, (it's a brand new one, so it was under warrenty, just took a wile to change out again...)

I'll probably be heading to wellsville this coming sunday, then sometime this winter, the taco is getting an LSD in the rear, a 2" bl, and probably some sort of 33" tire?...

later guys,
mike

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

"IMO, there are very evident differences between H2 owners and Jeep owners. Intelligence, level of accomplishments in life and class are a couple."

4.0 pre-medical student, accepted to Geffen, UCLA, thank you very much. I was browsing, and just had to respond:
1974 Jeep Cherokee - STOCK:
109" Wheelbase
6.6liter (401cid) V8
GM TH400
Saginaw steering
GM power brakes - disc/drum
QuadraTrac Full Time 4wd (2.57:1 lo)
Solid Dana 44 front/rear, six lug [Wide track available post-'75]
Everything above the frame.
Very similar grill to the H2. Every time an H2 owner sees my grill, I get a very sour look. Did GM forget the AMC roots? HMMWV design started in '79, when AM General was still tied to AMC. Please don't forget that AM General was part of AMC, and although the H2 was not designed by Jeep, I feel they should be considered to be family by virtue of styling cues alone. Drive what you want to drive, just don't bash others based on what they drive alone. Makes no sense to me[list]?? Anyway, AMC=All Makes Combined.
**Borrowed photo, that is not my Jeep!**

Why did you "borrow" the photo? With all tha edumocation I figure you could import a picture of your own jeep and post it.

P.S. why post such an ugly picture?

and you wonder why some people get so uptight over the H2? I watched 2 H2 owners (one was bright green/chrome and lowered...ugh) sit in mall traffic side by side blocking both lanes for 5 minutes while they 'chatted' through the windows. and this is the day after x-mas with the mall packed out...
This is the kind of activity that gives ANY 4x4 owner a bad rap.

The difference between Genius and Stupidity?
Genius has limits...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlamoJim:
(one was bright green/chrome and lowered...ugh)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well for most people, that puts him in a certain steriotype right away...lol

got rice?

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OnlyUsedOnce:
"IMO, there are very evident differences between H2 owners and Jeep owners. Intelligence, level of accomplishments in life and class are a couple." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I hope your medical opinions will be more valid and less general than this ignorant remark. You do not gain intelligence from going to school (as you tried to point out), just knowledge, don't be so naive nor assume the members of this forum are.

Your post points to your lack of class, your age to your lack of accomplishment in life and your ignorance displays your lack of intelligence, so I guess you were saying that H2 owners are more intelligent, accomplished individuals.

By the way you pointed out 3 things not "a couple." Better learn to count before medical school starts up.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Wow!! Just spent a few minutes reading through their ramblings. Can you say jealous? IMO, there are very evident differences between H2 owners and Jeep owners. Intelligence, level of accomplishments in life and class are a couple.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OnlyUsedOnce,

sorry if I am just a moron, but what were you impling in your 2 posts?


if you are pointing to this: "IMO, there are very evident differences between H2 owners and Jeep owners. Intelligence, level of accomplishments in life and class are a couple."

I dissagree with that statement...
last weekend I went to wellsville for a day filled with trail carnage...
all 3 of us were electrical engineers who seem to be doing well for ourselves...lol

I took my offroad rig which is an '86 4runner, and the other guys had a jeep...

if you want to compare brains... I'm sure you can spell better than I, but I am sure I have greater ability than you in some areas...

if everyone were the same, life would be boring... and there wouldn't be any jeeps for me to pull out of the woods...lol (see link below

http://community.webshots.com/album/107006954BUxNwW

Guys, sorry if that was cryptic. No, I do not agree with the above quote, which was originally posted by DRTYFN, not me. Paragon, direct your statements to DRTYFN and notice that there were quotations around the original quote in my first post. Quotation marks usually signify that the text within them is a quote. Notice I put a sad face next to the quote, because I did not agree with it. I do agree that it is an ignorant remark. Paragon, don't be so quick to jump on people and attack them. For such a professional, you are quick to insult others - not the kind of guy I would want for my physician or dentist. Naive - of course - I am young, and only know what I have experienced so far, which is not much! I have not "been around the block," but wisdom should come with age and experience, which I, like most people, am slowly gaining as I progress through academia.

Wow this sure got off topic...

"Life is tough... tougher if you’re stupid." "Just think, right now, all over the world there are people exercising bad judgment. Somebody, right this minute, is probably making the mistake of his life