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The new tahoe is on gmt 900 and ....The front torsion bars have been ditched in favor of suppler coil springs, recirculating ball steering gives way to a more precise (if no more communicative) rack and pinion system, and the ABS-controlled four-wheel disc brakes are upsized. Also I think it has a wider track and 5 link rear solid axle. Maybe the new H2 will be coil sprung up front?? I Dont know if that will improve off road or not. |
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The new tahoe is on gmt 900 and ....The front torsion bars have been ditched in favor of suppler coil springs, recirculating ball steering gives way to a more precise (if no more communicative) rack and pinion system, and the ABS-controlled four-wheel disc brakes are upsized. Also I think it has a wider track and 5 link rear solid axle. Maybe the new H2 will be coil sprung up front?? I Dont know if that will improve off road or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's also a fully boxed frame, new electronics, new engines and transmissions that get much better fuel economy, electric fan engine cooling, remote start, power liftgate, stabilitrak, side and head air bags, optional nav with rearview camera, etc. Also, with the rack and pinion it will possibly help eliminate much of our steering problems |
Paragon, see my platform post.
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diesel sounds great but what's wrong with gas? What would be so beneficial? I don't think milage is such a big problem??? Am I alone on this one??? diesel is expensive to maintain isn't it???
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On the D-max, weight was part of the issue, but I didn't hear the reasoning, just know that it was brought up and was the last straw. The primary reason for no D-max is that with the short over hangs of the H2, the leading edge of the hood would have to come up close to 4" to fit a radiator with enough cooling capacity for that particular diesel.
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Claydog, did you ever finish that car? Check your PM
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What is amazing though is how long GM have taken to get a diesel H2 to market. If Jeep put one in the JK four door first, I may just join the dark side </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Diesel JK next year??????? Diesels are the shiznit. They are simple engines. There is no ignition system, they are more efficient at using fuel, they are not more expensive to maintain, if anything, in the long run, they are cheaper, wider torque band that starts much, much lower in the rpm range. Plus they run drowned in water as long as you have an intake not ingesting the water...... ie - no electrical ignition components to get wet. Was messing with a Jeep Liberty diesel this weekend and with the hood closed, after about 15 seconds past startup, you wouldn't know it was a diesel. Plus it came with a Red Top Optima from the factory. |
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Here's something interesting. I'm at a quality conference here in Milwakee, and just happened to have breakfast with (so she says), the lead of reliability engineering at AM General for the new H2 release in '08. IF she is as she says, and she wasn't feeding me a line of BS (she seemed honest), here's some info:
The '08 will not be on the 900 platform. In fact, she said that they were specifically staying away from moving 'formally' to the 900 platform to keep distance between the H2 and the Tahoe/etc. Some things will overlap, but they aren't adopting it as a platform. She commented that the rear overhead console (DVD) in the '08 was the same as the Tahoe, but the front of the overhead would be different. She wasn't sure about the rest of the dash. They hadn't started any of the service costs calculations for the '08 model yet. I completely forgot to ask about the diesel, so I'll try and sit next to her tomorrow for b-fast again. What's cool is that apparently reliability engineering is NEW to AM General. Granted, they are moving away from the H2, but at least they are building it into the '08 model changes. |
Skip on the diesel question, it ain't happening. The dash would be interesting since they are re-doing it. What about the seats? Are they going to use the top level seats from the Tahoe? I heart the seats. Me lovey the seats........... Ummmmm...... Oh yeah. Ask about the steering. Will it be rack and pinion or not.
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A three page thread that does not have the Canuck and the Sasanach shaking their rattles at each other - amazing
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I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK. I sleep all night and I work all day! I cut down trees, I skip and jump, I like to press wild flowers..... Better? |
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Damn, you ghey.;) I just heard today that the H2 definitely WILL be getting the new 6.2L 400hp engine. It will be a 2007 model, but availability is unclear as to whether it will be an '07 out in '06 or '07. I'm first in line. Guess which color?:D |
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Ill tell you what, once that diesel H2 comes out im worried about what will hapen to trade in values. Forget the list. The day that sucker comes out with the diesel im there for a trade-in. Love the H2, but miss my powerstroke ford. Having diesel and H2 would be PERFECTION.
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a diesel is soon-to-arrive, but it will be a six cylinder the 8 liter vortec engine is forthcoming IMO, neither seem likely as the former would risk making the H2 even more underpowered on the highway and in the streets, and the latter would probably re-invigorate fuel-economy-scrutiny and give a second wind to the slowly fading hummer-gas-hog-panic, and i doubt GMs marketing team is silly enough to do that. I would guess you could get an EPA rating in the low 20's for highway driving with a 500lb diet slight aerodynamic improvements (without making it look sleek, keep the hummer look) a tranny that was designed around the EPA test the way many vehicles are. The test is standardized and can be designed around. Don't think the high ratings of many cars isn't based on that and I assume that considerable R&D time at Toyota goes to this. With a duramax and EPA-tuned tranny, i wonder if one could get in the mid 20's highway? Sure you could. Of course, the H2 isn't currently subject to EPA ratings, but i do think that a public demonstration of at least reasonable mileage would be good for the Hummer brand. Maybe GM could just make a better-mileage H2 and voluntarily subject it to the EPA test. If it could be done, it wouldn't be a stupid move from an image/marketing perspective. After all, the lack of an EPA rating lets GM dodge the bullet with the H2, but it also lets enviro's call it an "8mpg behemoth" in their propaganda. |
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I Leased my H2 in may for 3 years hoping to trade it in for a diesel I could buy and keep. That will be 2009. (Crossing my fingers)
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Since the EPA requirements are what closed the book on the H1 it will be interesting to see how AM General/GM adapt a diesel into the H2. Not because it can't be done but because of the cost. The GMC Sierra's built in 2007 will have an additional cost of about $2500 on top of the about $6,000 duramax option. The H2 is not a low numbered vehicle but compared to the GMC pickups it is low so spreading the cost over all vehicles would be much higher than it is for the GMC pickups. It is not the engine that needs to be certified but the application. So just because the GMC pickups have a certified engine doesn't mean the H2 would since the application is different, much like the H1 was different. Not saying it can't be done but the EPA requirements are rediculous. Of course if the engine that the H2 would get is entirely different who knows what would happen.
It is interesting that companies like Land Rover and Volvo are developing engines for the NA market. My wife really wants an XC90 so I asked about a diesel option to a couple of people and they said that it is in the works. The mpg is rediculous in the vehicle in europe as they said it is getting like 30-40mpg. Another interesting fact is the development of Diesel/Electric engines that LR, Volvo and of course General Engine Products (AM General) are working on. Do I see a reincarnation of the H1? :) |
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YEah, the 'burban/yukon/escalade "ESV"s dodge the bullet. The Navigator. Virtually any 3/4 ton pickup and i'm sure many more i can't think of... But as you mentioned, the H2 is the one that takes all the bullets, and as such i think that a very wise marketing move from GM would be to shoot its mileage up into respectable territory and volunteer to be EPA cert'd once that is accomplished... go with a possible 2wd transfer case option to bump it up a couple mpgs, diesel, whatever. Because, well, while the enviro's will never condone a hummer, and will always freak out in their general direction no matter what - it would be reasonable to give people who aren't anti-hummer something to say in return, and to take the capacity to slander hummers with invented dramatized mileage figures "that 8mpg earth-fcking *******" and so on and so forth. Its just a thought i've had. I guess the death of the H1 has left me thinking from time to time about the future of the H2. God bless soccer moms if they drive sales. You boys and girls be nice to them. If offroad-used and off-road capable Wranglers were all that were sold, they'd have killed the model years ago. It survives via college kids that think its cool to pop the doors off and hang a knee out the side, and beg dad for one until he relents, and old people that chose it over a miata or wahtever as a novelty sunday-driving car. |
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