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FrgMstr 12-13-2003 06:26 PM

I used a pair of 90 degree pliers to squeeze a couple of the clips from the back with the hood open and pushed it loose. Once one clip is loose, just push/pull it out gently and the others will pop out easily.

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MAC 12-13-2003 06:27 PM

I saw it in your previous post, easy for you to say, just pull it off.
I PULLED and IT is not OFF. Surely I can pull harder, guess they won't break?
Will try again.

I manage the finances and investment of several clubs and lodges I belong to, its volunteer no pay services, and after all these years I am getting tired of doing them. I can't get other members to take over, I tried to explain the numbers and accountings, it is so simple and easy, but I cannot understand why most of them do not understand the numbers. It is just like me trying to pull that plastic off the Hummer.

MAC 12-13-2003 07:49 PM

OK, I got the cover off, just pulled it hard. I even got the grill off but can't get it OFF without the brush guard off.
I can't get the 4 big screws (guard) to move. I am off to a local gas station, they must have the air driven tools to take the guard off in one minute. I'll just pay the guy to do it. Ya gotta have the right tool.

FrgMstr 12-13-2003 10:18 PM

I just removed and reinstalled my grill and replaced my chrome grill with the black in less than 40 minutes and all I used was ratchet and two sockets and a pair of pliers.

Pictures tomorrow when I get some in good light.

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My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

MAC 12-13-2003 11:52 PM

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All it took was $10. I won't mess with with it again, just pay the guy to do it. It was as stupid as trying to be your own lawyer in the court.

MAC 12-13-2003 11:55 PM

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Raining this morning and will rain heavy again tonight, so I didn't wash the big black beautiful Hummer. But it is very negro now, me much like.

H2 Daddy 12-20-2003 06:41 PM

Looks great Mac. You know what the funny thing is? If our H2s only originally came with the colored grills we would all be going crazy over the "new for 04" chrome grills.

Buckeye Hummer 12-20-2003 06:56 PM

Hmmm, I don't know about that. It appears most on this board hate chrome. I don't know why GM ever put a chrome grill on there in the first place. All H1's obviously have same colored grills so I'm not sure who missed the design cue.

MAC 12-20-2003 08:01 PM

It has been proven again and again that chrome is popular in the US. The first thing European auto makers do when sending their cars over is to add lots of chrome. There were cases some cars were introduced here with black grill and black window frames ended up failure. Another example is to look at the ebay Hummer parts and acessories, 99.999% of the items are chrome, the basic law of supply and demand made it so. Businesses don't make the mistake of selling chrome when majority of buyers want black, if they did, businesses correct the mistakes promptly.

I think chrome or tons of chrome look nice, I have no negative opinion about them, just not for me. If suddenly everyone loves black and go solid black, then I'll have to rethink my taste and change my taste to all chrome. It is to my benefit that most people love chrome and stay that way.

Buckeye Hummer 12-20-2003 08:15 PM

Well, you're right and wrong. Chrome is popular on most cars but not a Hummer. Obviously suddenly everyone did like black (or same color grills) because GM offered them after only 1 year of H2 sales. That tells me that had some focus groups telling them to dump the chrome and they did (I know color is an option not standard)? Yes, most accessories for the H2 are chrome, however, the dealers I have been to have told me they can't move it (chrome accessories) at all. The change has arrived. Several folks on this board have even blacked out their wheels and those are aluminum!

I will admit though I saw the new Chevy sports car (replacement for the camaro) and it had brushed aluminum door handles that looked very nice. The added touch brought the appeal of that car up significantly for me. So, chrome for some just not Hummers.

MAC 12-20-2003 08:31 PM

I have the same dilemma buying hand guns, chrome or black, black or chrome. The basic rule for me is solid black everything, but them those stainless steel barrels are so beautiful.

I have not looked at eBay site for Hummer for many months, did it today, all 30+ pages, I am glad to report I have no black accessories to buy. Almost everything is chrome, saved a lot of time and money for me.

Centerfire 12-20-2003 10:28 PM

Now Mac.. I'm going to take a chance. ( MIght get yelled at again. I carry Kimbers for work and off duty.. My primary is a Pro CDP witht eh upper in brushes chrome and lower anidized(sp) Louisiana Pimp blue.. thought I was going to get a Blue vet .. Instead I got the red H2.. So my back up /off duty is a Ultra CDP, the upper is bright chrome and the lower is H2 Hummer Red.

Ok . Jump on me.. I know they are Pimp daddy but I like them.. Oh just so they can rally jump on me My Glk 22 was hard chromes and the lower was aztec yellow to match my S2000, with flames... Ok go!

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAC:
I have the same dilemma buying hand guns, chrome or black, black or chrome. The basic rule for me is solid black everything, but them those stainless steel barrels are so beautiful.

I have not looked at eBay site for Hummer for many months, did it today, all 30+ pages, I am glad to report I have no black accessories to buy. Almost everything is chrome, saved a lot of time and money for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MAC 12-20-2003 11:27 PM

I do not jump on nor yell at real or fake cop or pimp or pimp daddy with guns. You guys go ahead, I'll watch.

Detonate 12-20-2003 11:29 PM

Mac, what would be the point in selling say Aftermarket Black Side vents to replace your standard black side vents.

Now if the standard ones were chrome, maybe you'd see something different on eBay

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

MAC 12-20-2003 11:42 PM

I am pretty sure those are mostly professional sellers of fancy super shiny chrome accessories. BTW, my chrome grill is for sale on eBay, so you guys hold your fire, wait a week before you list your chrome grill so we don't flood the market; so far my chrome grill is the only grill. Thanks. Maybe I'll get $1000 for my chrome grill, you think?

Dick Renaud 12-21-2003 02:39 AM

Centerfire,
The only thing wrong with your choices is that you make a greate target.
I like the all black stealth look. All my Glocks are BLACK.
I do have a satin S&W 4006 and a S&W 340 in matte silver.
Black or Pewter and Black work best for me.

But we will always be able to find you.

Centerfire 12-21-2003 03:14 AM

Thanks.. I don't mind being a target for googd clean fun.. I've been around firearms for over 30 years.. I've been in the firearms business since 1985.. I have to have the pimp guns made just to keep interested in the business.. Plus I usually have a pimp daddy gun made to see what kind of response I get.. Rarely do I get someone to have the balls to give me any real input if they don't like it.. I do happen to like my Hummer Red CDP.. I did the Yellow Glock with flames and the previous GOld plated Glock strictly too see if anyone would make a negative comment to my face. Sone folks just ain't no fun.. Most people liked the ugly SOB's..
Hell years ago we had an AK47 chrome plated and sold for 3 times what it was worth.. As a joke we took a nasty Jennings , glued some sites on the side and put a laser on it.. I had the guys put it on display for an absolutely nutty price.. We had people try to buy the damn thing.. So if yo pick on my pimp daddy guns doesn't bother me at all.. In fact if you aren't carefull I just may start posting pix of them and put them in the H2 section rather then the unrelated spot.

YOu all have a safe and Happy Holiday

It's bedtime fore us old folks.

Mike

Dick Renaud 12-21-2003 01:52 PM

I would like to see pics.
Now that I am an old fart PI I have to keep a low profile with the black Glock. I work in Detroit alot and the bright flashy guns make a good target for the gang bangers and stoners.

Navigator 12-21-2003 03:54 PM

Although this really does not compliment my sealth H2 theme I just had to have this 500 from S&W's Performance shop.


Rich

2004 H2 Adventure w/Corsa Sport.
2003 Nisan Murano
2003 Lincoln Navigator (for Sale)
2001 Ford Lightning W/mods
1999 F-350 W/mods
1999 Yukon Denali (for sale)

Dick Renaud 12-21-2003 07:04 PM

Now that would be great in Detroit. They would drop thier MAC-10s and run and hide.
Actually, two of those would look cool. One slung over each sholder. I might have to get back in uniform for that.

FrgMstr 12-21-2003 09:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
All that said, I can't say as I'm keen on nickel plated pimp guns, but do carry a satin hard chrome pistol;<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know about carrying satin hard chrome pistols, it will make you look like a drug dealer.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

Centerfire 12-21-2003 10:43 PM

Yep I wish we could get more.. they are in the land of backorder. We've turned down more then 10-15 people this week alone.

I will try a shoot pix of my pimp guns .
Yep keeping a low profile in Detroit is a good idea..


Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Navigator:
Although this really does not compliment my sealth H2 theme I just had to have this 500 from S&W's Performance shop.
http://www.archeryproshop.com/500.jpg

Rich

2004 H2 Adventure w/Corsa Sport.
2003 Nisan Murano
2003 Lincoln Navigator (for Sale)
2001 Ford Lightning W/mods
1999 F-350 W/mods
1999 Yukon Denali (for sale)
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Centerfire 12-21-2003 10:45 PM

Phil.. it is always nice that when they hold up your gun in the grand jury.. that it is a pretty one.. PS Having mine look like a drug dealers is one of my reasons not as big as having it match my
H2

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
I don't know about carrying satin hard chrome pistols, it will make you look like a drug dealer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Touché

The only people who will see it will be dead almost immediately afterwards. If their final moments are spent contemplating the profession of someone with a sissy satin chrome pistol, I shan't lose much sleep over it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FrgMstr 12-21-2003 11:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
I don't know about carrying satin hard chrome pistols, it will make you look like a drug dealer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Touché

The only people who will see it will be dead almost immediately afterwards. If their final moments are spent contemplating the profession of someone with a sissy satin chrome pistol, I shan't lose much sleep over it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Also, be advised that a few of us are getting together in Gilmer on the 17th and the wheeling looks to be a ton of fun.

Would be great to see some of you guys from down south. I do intend to make it down to your Devil's Den soon. Hopefully next go round.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

Detonate 12-22-2003 01:31 AM

Maybe we should do another K-Rocks trip soon. Further for us, but closer for you all.

That place was bad ass, and I was disappointed that all I got to do was maybe 1/2 a trail.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

FrgMstr 12-22-2003 03:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
Maybe we should do another K-Rocks trip soon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think after Gilmer I am going to hit Nacona on the first Saturday in February (the 1st) when it is open to the public.

Day trips are easier for me. I will have a wife and two kids (19 months and 3 years) in tow.

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My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

Centerfire 12-22-2003 11:52 AM

That's Purttie.. You may want to lose the bayonet before you use it.. If not we charge $150.00 an hour to testify for people. We have a 200 page study shoing the value of the 223 round for urban use. YOu should look in a new forearm, either the Surefire or one of the new units with the 4 picq. rails. Then you can put a Trijican Reflex 2, a laser, etc. ..

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Centerfire:
Phil.. it is always nice that when they hold up your gun in the grand jury.. that it is a pretty one.. PS Having mine look like a drug dealers is one of my reasons not as big as having it match my
H2<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. Which is why I use this as my home defense gun;

http://www.philday.com/firearms/images/ColtAR.jpg

I figure any jury would see it as something anyone would use to protect their family

You are right though, there is a lot to be said for having a gun that looks like grandpa's ol' gov model.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Centerfire 12-22-2003 02:11 PM

Cool.. Actually the study Iwas referring to found that the 223 40gr hollow point has less over penetration in an urban enviroment than the average 9mm Hollow point.. For this reason many of the Swat teams are looking to go back to the 5.56 for entry teams.. So they can mix mags with 40 gr hollow point and 55 or 65 gr solid projectiles..

However for the average consumer. you are correct in going with a less intimadating looking defensive firearm..

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
Mike, I don't use that home defense, walls aren't thick enough and neighbors are too close, but it is kept ready to go (without the bayonet). I have a FP1201 with a Surefire and a Glock 17 with M3 set aside for home defense. But I also have other firearms in strategic places where I may need them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PARAGON 12-22-2003 03:37 PM

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It's always good to have "layers" of defense. My second layer is Miko:

PARAGON 12-22-2003 03:45 PM

Then, I agree with Phil. I have hand guns around the house for last line of defense in the home. I fire one of my handguns nearly every weekend at varmints and what not.

Never thought about custom paint on guns. Mike have you posted pictures yet. I am either black, blued or try to buy alot of stainless so as to not worry about any rust. To keep this thread on custom grills going, anyone suppress a high powered cartridge like .300 Win Mag? I've read several places where a suppressed rifle is more accurate and makes the shooter more accurate because you don't jump the muzzle blast.

PARAGON 12-22-2003 05:36 PM

Phil,

A friend sent me an article, and I must have deleted it. But it was an article written by someone who trains law enforcement snipers. It went into great detail of the benefits of a large 2 point can on a .300 Win Mag. Reduced sound signature at the muzzle, reduced recoil and it also said something about controlling the gas and making a barrel more accurate hot or cold. His overall point was that a suppressed .300 Win Mag will have a smaller group shot after shot than one not suppressed.

I haven't made it past 500 yards on a head target and find that on some days that I can't hold a group together at 100 yards much less 500. Peculiar enough, I am more accurate with a Browning A-bolt with BOSS, than with the Rem 700. Even wearing protection the ported BOSS will ring your ears after several shots.

Centerfire 12-22-2003 06:18 PM

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Depends if you are talking flash or sound suppression..It was found at Camp Perry that the new Ar 15's without the Flash suppressors were a bit more accurate, it is a bit to techno for me. I would have to ask my Gunssmith. Silencers will reduce speed of projectiles.. In a 9mm HK it slows down a 147gr sub sonic apprx 100-150 fps. We had a shooting 3-4 years ago.. One of our Swat team hit the bad guy in the head after going thru his hand. The Puke looks at him and says" MF'er you shot me" as he was raising his handgun.. The deputy put three more in the chest and he went down..

Paragon.. I to believe in layers of defense.. My only problem is that the dog that rides with me is 130 lbs of hair and slobber wrapped up in a NewFoundland package. Shes big , however her Idea of attack is to lick them to death. But she is a blast to use when tricking a car stop into believing she is a Drug dog.. We had one guy confess to some weed because he didn't want that big ole dog on his leather.

I have attempted to attach the pix of my two skittles guns. Orange on is in the works to match the 69 Chev PU my son talkedme into getting.

Phil D. Yep that's what is nice about this site.. aothough I believe I've stuck with the H2 theme as my CDP is colored to match my H2.. SO i hope I don't get yelled at and have my one felling bruised.

Everyone have a safe and happy holiday.. I just hope my darn new brushguard I ordered for my Christmas shows up in time.

Mike


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