Sorry over active imagination

Wow, I'm glad to see some of the H2 crowd beginning to come to their senses. Comparing an H2 and a Jeep is kinda like comparing a Cooper Mini, and a Corvette. Both are good for what they were designed to do.

I have been four wheeling for many years, and am active in the off road community. I have wheeled with Jeeps, (mostly), Toys, Samauris, and Hummers - both 1s and 2s.

The H2 does pretty well on Moab sort of terrain where excellent traction exists. For muddy, wet or even varied terrain where traction suffers the Jeep modified or not has a weight advantatage over the H2 - its just too damn heavy. I notice there were no deep mud crossings in the vid - thats because the Jeeps got in deeper in the mud before they got stuck!

Oh, and once a Hummer is stuck its a whip to recover. Yes, I have a Hummer Recovery Sticker on my Jeep - but I earned it.

Several times.

The same day.

One particular H2 took THREE winches to recover it. Two on other Hummers - one an H1 with a warn 12K.

Upshot, lets just wheel and have fun within whatever flavor of wheeling we choose.

Just don't spill your Gray Poupon on those heated seats - and keep the wine chilled!

H2 Recovery,

It is obvious that you have not been around here much. It is the jeep crowd that does about 90% of the comparisons of the two and 99% of the brand bashing. You are correct on two things. Both have areas where each is better and lets all just go out wheeling and have fun

I understand the H3 is built on the Chevy Colorado frame and driveline. The Colorado got bashed all over the place in reviews - I wonder how much similar gear comes over to the H3. I assume the engine, tranny and axles are common - different transfer case like the H2 vs Tahoe I suspect.

They do share similarities for economic reasons but the H3 is very capable. You can't believe all the reviews. I don't care what type of vehicle it is, there is always a reviewer that is biased against it.

I would be worried about that 5 cyl. motor - I hear its a bit on the anemic side in the Colorado - H3 must be heavier still.

Based on what the people say that actually drive the H3 every day, it isn't a problem. Not trying to win any drag races.

I believe that people here are generally cool. I am not and never have been a "H2 hater" I am sick of all the bashing and could generally care less. I know it's all in good e-fun.

However if a Jeep owner were to make a video bashing H2's and used footage of our brothers in Iraq in a negative way as ammunition then I believe that he would be "policed" by other Jeep owners.

If Patton were alive he would pistol ANYONE that would put Hitler in a Jeep.

Bashing will continue, stereotypes will be plenty. No reason to cross the line.

Please be aware that if you are going to make a video, you can make comparasons in a respectful way. I have no problem being a burger flipper, I actually saw the video of yo guys in Moab before someone edited the vs. Jeep stuff. I was impressed.

But if you want to cross the line (which someone did IMO) then you will be called out.


hope to see you on the trails.

That's the whole point Mr.Tool,

The video WAS the response BECAUSE your guys DID crossed the line!

We pretty much hit breaking point watching and hearing or rigs get slammed for a few years now.

All the illwishes, misinformation, middle fingers, vandalism, you name it, we've gotten it.

The video was designed to make you feel what we go through. We are tormented not because of the people we are, but what we drive.

nope.

The H3 will be a beast to contend with. It already is showing what its lighter weight can do for it. They took a few over the Rubicon and the videos were quite nice.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MountainMan:
The H3 will be a beast to contend with. It already is showing what its lighter weight can do for it. They took a few over the Rubicon and the videos were quite nice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MR Tool:
nope.

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What kind of response was that?

I don't know, maybe he is trying to make friends now?

I have a bad feeling he's not.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MountainMan:
The H3 will be a beast to contend with. It already is showing what its lighter weight can do for it. They took a few over the Rubicon and the videos were quite nice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree the H3 will be another contender.

Got links to these videos?????

well...since I am nearest to the Jeep core I will make a few comments.
I have driven many jeeps, they are designed for different markets besides the U.S.
I drove a 5.7 hemi commander and it had power up the wasu, but it rides so close to the ground it may have issue grinding accrossed the rocks in Moab. I think the grand cherokee is another of the fine road vehicles we produce, its a good all around soccer mom ride, and if push comes to shove it will go offroad. the liberty is ok if you like them, but even the Michigan jeepers website doesn't have a category for them. the wranglers are good at what they do offroad because they have very good weight distribution(almost equal on 4 corners)makes for an easy to manuver vehicle. I personally have treed a couple going through very tough offcamber corners on sand. we tried the same trail in a ZJ and it wedged against a tree and we had to get out and push in order to save the sheetmetal. If I had the opertunity to take my H2 in the trails where we do our testing I am sure it would gring the bark off the trees, but its ability to follow a jeep anywhere is only limited by the narrowness of the obstacles.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> the liberty is ok if you like them, but even the Michigan jeepers website doesn't have a category for them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's because we face the same elitist BS from the some of the Jeep community that you guys do. The Liberty is far more capable (even in stock configuration) than it is given credit for. Throw on a 2-3" lift and some better tires and it will go anywhere most Wranglers will. I've proved it.

Hoss
2005 Jeep Liberty Renegade

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> the liberty is ok if you like them, but even the Michigan jeepers website doesn't have a category for them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's because we face the same elitist BS from the majority of the Jeep community that you guys do. The Liberty is far more capable (even in stock configuration) than it is given credit for. Throw on a 2-3" lift and some better tires and it will go anywhere most Wranglers will. I've proved it.

Hoss
2005 Jeep Liberty Renegade </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a 2003 KJ Renegade and the only reason I got rid of it was because of the ground clearance and LACK of a quality suspension from aftermarket providers...

I know Rusty is still working on a SAS kit for them...but until someone actually makes a replacement A-arm for the front suspension to give you more ground clearance and engineering it with the balljoint lifespan in mind there will still be days when the "salty" jeep owners will still give KJ owners a hard time - mainly because of the IFS...

Just wheel it...

Easy there hoss. Liberty's that are wheeled get thier respect. I have wheeled wih many, just like anything mostly determined by driver.

This post is for my STOCK Rubicon vs any STOCK H2.

The fact of the matter is:
Most trails are cut by jeeps and wheeled by jeeps, therefore they are not "wide vehicle friendly"
LWB has advantages at some obstacles
SWB has advantages at some obstacles
IFS is great for street ride
SFA is great for offroad
I am locked.
You are not.

I can on and on and it won't matter because people belive what they believe, and when they are proven wrong they will make an excuse to back up thier claim.

so in short:
anyone that believes that a STOCK RUBICON is not a MORE CAPABLE OFF-ROAD out of the box, hardcore, fancy-schmancy, wheeling gift of the gods that is by matter of pure physics BETTER than an H2 never will.

Superlift is doing some promising work with a 4" lift for the KJ.. they've done some work with the A arms and have dropped the cradle for the front diff. I'm eagerly awaiting it, they say it should be ready sometime this fall.. however many people are running the Rusty's 2.5" full Spring lift without any problems right now.

Mr. Tool, I know not all (actually not even the majority) of Jeepers look down on the KJ, but alot do..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am locked. You are not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This probably wasn't aimed at me but,..Actually, I am.. Powertrax No Slip in the rear. eventually will be putting a Tru-trac or the like in the front (probably about the sametime I have to pull the front diff for the Superlift_.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The biggest factor between these vehicles ability is down to the driver anway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's true with alot of vehicles... I've wakled through obstacles in my KJ that had a stock Rubi stuck.

I have an H2, but my son really likes his Jeep Liberty...

[quote]Originally posted by SoonerBoarder:
I have an H2, but my son really likes his Jeep Liberty...

Hey I just noticed they're sharing the same frame as the TJ and YJ.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hey I just noticed they're sharing the same frame as the TJ and YJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL...

Ya have to admit that's a pretty cool stroller!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Hey I just noticed they're sharing the same frame as the TJ and YJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROTFLMAO

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
[quote]Originally posted by SoonerBoarder:
I have an H2, but my son really likes his Jeep Liberty...

Hey I just noticed they're sharing the same frame as the TJ and YJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It looks like they share the "unit body" design with the stroller </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! That's what I meant to say.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hey I just noticed they're sharing the same frame as the TJ and YJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

put down the crackpipe...the wranglers all have frames...the KJ is unibody like the grocery getter ZJ/XJ and WJ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The biggest factor between these vehicles ability is down to the driver anway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's true with alot of vehicles... I've wakled through obstacles in my KJ that had a stock Rubi stuck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wakled? Is that like waddling? Are you obese?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MR Tool:
anyone that believes that a STOCK RUBICON is not a MORE CAPABLE OFF-ROAD out of the box, hardcore, fancy-schmancy, wheeling gift of the gods that is by matter of pure physics BETTER than an H2 never will. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wheel with a stock Rubicon all the time. And if not for the driver's skills I'd have to pull it everywhere. As it is I've had to stack rocks and lay down trees so it could get through stuff that my H2 got through.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Wakled? Is that like waddling? Are you obese? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey leave my wieght out of this.. Stupid fat fingers.. but ya know what they say about guys with big hands!
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They need big gloves

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Wakled? Is that like waddling? Are you obese? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey leave my wieght out of this.. Stupid fat fingers.. but ya know what they say about guys with big hands!
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They need big gloves </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry that you've got ham hands.

[quote]If Patton were alive he would pistol ANYONE that would put Hitler in a Jeep.QUOTE]

Tool, you can't quite seem to wrap your brain around the fact that NO ONE here "PUT" Hitler in a Jeep. That is a picture that is already out on the "Internet". Seriously man, there was no conspiracy to digitally edit Hitler into a pic just to make Jeeps look bad.....the pic already existed. In no way am I saying the picture used was not a fake, simply that the image existed long before this pissing contest.

I only post this because you seem waaaaay worked up over that pic specifically...hopefully you can sleep at night now knowing it was not created by one of our Hummer brethren. ;-)

That said, chill the **** out, I'd like to see the jeepers putting half the effort into ensuring "factual information" regarding other brands that they have put forth in questioning this video. It's really funny to me how often people become "keepers of the truth" only when what is being spouted as fact(incorrectly) reflects negatively on them. Not a slam on you directly but I honestly find it odd that so many jeepers are suddenly concerned with facts when they have a clear and overwhelming pattern of not caring about them with regard to other brands.....

Honestly, there is no way you haven't seen numerous posts by other jeepers bashing tacos or Hummers, how often have you spent the time to correct their "facts"?



Chris

What he said!