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Karsun 12-23-2007 10:14 PM

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Report to Washington State Bar Association regarding costs
  • At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 inadditional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel.
  • On direct appeal, the cost of appellate defense averages $100,000 more in death penalty cases, than in non-death penalty murder cases.
  • Personal restraint petitions filed in death penalty cases on average cost an additional$137,000 in public defense costs.

Marcmedic 12-23-2007 10:17 PM

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The main cost of the death penalty is due to the court system. Aside for the cost of a death penalty case, you have the costs for all of the appeals. Not to mention the cost of keeping someone on death-row for 20+ years while they run through their appeals. They need to speed up the appeals process.

Big Dad 12-23-2007 10:19 PM

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You've got to be kidding me. Keep reading your liberal rags.


Unfortunately, the death penalty does cost a lot of cabbage, unless were talking Saudi Arabia...it's pretty swift there and becomes a great deterrent.

DRTYFN 12-23-2007 10:21 PM

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The main cost of the death penalty is due to the LAWYERS.

Fixed

Marcmedic 12-23-2007 10:22 PM

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Here is what you said.... It costs more to put someone to death than it does to house them

Were you trying to say that it costs more to try someone in a death penalty case than it does for a life in prison case???

Once the appeals are done, other than an IV, a syringe, some meds, and a cardiac monitor, the cost is probably less than 50 bucks do to a lethal injection.

vs. the 19 grand it costs per year to house a criminal in FL

Inmate Cost Per Day

Most (58.5%) of the daily cost to incarcerate an inmate in a major prison is spent on security, followed by 21.8% for medical services. The remaining 20% is spent on feeding, clothing and educating inmates, and some administrative issues, as you can see from the pie chart.
Cost of Imprisonment:
$52.06 Per Day/ $19,002 Per Year

Karsun 12-23-2007 10:25 PM

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I'm sure you knew exactly what I was trying to say. I'm done arguing with you.

Marcmedic 12-23-2007 10:29 PM

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If he raped and murdered someone you cared about...what would you want done???

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278777,00.html

I actually had to run the victim in this call.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/10467606/detail.html

Much better to allow them to live the rest of their lives sucking on the government teat in prison instead of sending them to their death for murdering someones children, right?

Marcmedic 12-23-2007 10:30 PM

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I'm sure you knew exactly what I was trying to say. I'm done arguing with you.


Go find another thread to be an attention whore in.

Karsun 12-23-2007 11:10 PM

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Go find another thread to be an attention whore in.

Well, bravo! Did that make you feel like a real man? You know, for $1.99 per minute, you can call women whores all you want. They'll even let you wear your panties. I hope you didn't think that hurt my feelings. If I'm not mistaken, I was trying to politely talk in here and only lost my temper once. You're the one who came in here after and started an argument. So who's the attention whore now? I'm out and will try my best not to come back to this thread so if anyone else wants to call me names, please PM me so that I won't have to sit on my hands to keep me out. ;)

Marcmedic 12-23-2007 11:16 PM

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Well, bravo! Did that make you feel like a real man? You know, for $1.99 per minute, you can call women whores all you want. They'll even let you wear your panties. I hope you didn't think that hurt my feelings. If I'm not mistaken, I was trying to politely talk in here and only lost my temper once. You're the one who came in here after and started an argument. So who's the attention whore now? I'm out and will try my best not to come back to this thread so if anyone else wants to call me names, please PM me so that I won't have to sit on my hands to keep me out. ;)


Your offer of charging me 1.99 a minute to talk to you is not appealing in the least. Nor do I wish to go anywhere near your panties.

Marcmedic 12-23-2007 11:20 PM

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ENRAGED!!!


bparker 12-24-2007 06:08 AM

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Cant you just feel the holiday spirit and love in this thread? :D

Karsun 12-24-2007 07:06 AM

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Your offer of charging me 1.99 a minute to talk to you is not appealing in the least. Nor do I wish to go anywhere near your panties.


Damn, SNAP MF! You are so :OWNED: Night night now. ;)

tower 12-24-2007 08:59 AM

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I forgot how darn funny that was. I love Dave Chappelle's stuff.

Just got back, into town. That is very funny, primarily because it exposes the hypocrisy and stupidity of racism.

h2co-pilot 12-24-2007 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bparker
Cant you just feel the holiday spirit and love in this thread? :D


It's overwhelming isn't it. :grouphug: :crying: :grouphug:

:jump:

tower 12-24-2007 11:05 AM

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Hmmm... Is it just me or do these comments seem a little incongruous and harsh? Why do disagreements need to develop into personal attacks?
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Originally Posted by Marcmedic
Go find another thread to be an attention whore in.

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Your offer of charging me 1.99 a minute to talk to you is not appealing in the least. Nor do I wish to go anywhere near your panties.


Agriv8r 12-24-2007 04:13 PM

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:iagree: was just thinking the same thing....perhaps this is a case ofAttachment 45449....come in a few days after the thread is open and attack people.....guess it probably makes some people feel more like a man....

ssgharkness020147 12-24-2007 09:17 PM

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Now hold on a minute Marc, I think we need some pics before a conclusion can really be drawn here. :p


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Your offer of charging me 1.99 a minute to talk to you is not appealing in the least. Nor do I wish to go anywhere near your panties.


Marcmedic 12-25-2007 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tower
Hmmm... Is it just me or do these comments seem a little incongruous and harsh? Why do disagreements need to develop into personal attacks?


OMFG??? Is "Attention Whore" really that offensive? You've got to be kidding me...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whore

Seriously, I realize she's female and a liberal like you but there are plenty of other things I could have typed that would have been offensive.

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 04:40 AM

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Now hold on a minute Marc, I think we need some pics before a conclusion can really be drawn here. :p


Well played sir...well played...:D

tower 12-25-2007 06:37 AM

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OMFG??? Is "Attention Whore" really that offensive? You've got to be kidding me...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whore

Seriously, I realize she's female and a liberal like you but there are plenty of other things I could have typed that would have been offensive.

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Your offer of charging me 1.99 a minute to talk to you is not appealing in the least. Nor do I wish to go anywhere near your panties.

Gosh, Marc, then I guess I should thank you for being so pleasant and polite.:notallthere:

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 03:33 PM

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No problem, I'm glad we worked this out!!! :beerchug:

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 03:43 PM

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It actually means a lot having someone on the same side I am. I only have my AS right now but it's in Criminology and I go to Florida State, which has the best Criminology program in the country and the only underwater crime lab. (here in the Panama City Branch Campus) I'm a die hard anti-death penalty person and have been all my life, that's never changed. Anyway, I want to be a criminal intelligence analyst. I already do some things on the side towards that goal. :)
PS How'd you get to meet Kirk Bloodworth? You can PM me if you don't want to discuss it here.

I might not believe in the death penalty but yes, if it were my family perhaps I might change my mind.



You want to know what annoyed the hell out of me. This complete John Kerry flip/flop posted not even 3 hours apart. How can you be a "die hard anti-death penalty person", but then have to re-think your stance on it if something happened to your family. If you feel that strongly that the death penalty is wrong, then it shouldn't matter if something happens to a friend/family member....your stance should remain unchanged. How can you say that a criminal shouldn't get the death penalty for killing someone's loved one, but then maybe you'd be all for it if it's someone you cared about?

Big Dad 12-25-2007 06:20 PM

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You want to know why I snapped? instead of what annoyed the hell out of me.


I'm not being a jerk here but wouldn't this be right?

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 06:41 PM

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Works for me! And that wasn't even close to "snapped".

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Dad
I'm not being a jerk here but wouldn't this be right?


Enough with the personal attacks already. I'm overly sensitive today. I think I may have installed my maxi-pad adhesive side up.

Karsun 12-25-2007 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcmedic
You want to know what annoyed the hell out of me. This complete John Kerry flip/flop posted not even 3 hours apart. How can you be a "die hard anti-death penalty person", but then have to re-think your stance on it if something happened to your family. If you feel that strongly that the death penalty is wrong, then it shouldn't matter if something happens to a friend/family member....your stance should remain unchanged. How can you say that a criminal shouldn't get the death penalty for killing someone's loved one, but then maybe you'd be all for it if it's someone you cared about?


My point was that no one knows what we're capable of. I said I might, I said perhaps. I didn't say I would. I was basically saying that I haven't been in that situation, thank God so how can I say for sure? I find it amusing that you had nothing to say in this thread until you attacked me, this was also after I posted that I was a girl. Did you attack me because you found out I was a girl and thought it'd be easier? That's how it looks to me. Do you have a problem with girls, Marc? Did your mom not hug you enough? If so, then I'm sorry for you. Enjoy Christmas if you celebrate it; I know I will.

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 07:02 PM

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Knew you were a girl when you joined the forum and told everyone. Hopefully you'll be reprimanded for your personal attacks. Merry Christmas to you too!

Karsun 12-25-2007 07:35 PM

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Knew you were a girl when you joined the forum and told everyone. Hopefully you'll be reprimanded for your personal attacks. Merry Christmas to you too!


I never attacked you personally until you went off. Anyway, I'm done for now. Heading over to my mom's for Christmas dinner and if you think I'm a pain, wait'll you see said mom when we're late for Christmas dinner. Enjoy your day. :giggling: In fact, I declare a truce for Christmas. I can be the better person.

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 07:44 PM

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Works for me. :beerchug: When does this truce expire??? :D

KenP 12-25-2007 08:04 PM

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I'm against the death penalty, too. I also believe we should not incarcerate criminals for life, because that's also a death penalty.

We treat criminals horrendously and I find it reprehensible. Just because someone kills an entire family of four, doesn't mean there's no good in the convict and that he's not a wholesome person inside. We have a civic duty to find the good, find the sweetness in everyone.

We, as a caring and responsible society, should educate the criminals by doing away with the current penal system and it's institutions and replace them with education centers geared toward rehabilitation.

In doing this, the convicted criminals would not have to live a life behind bars, but would be made into productive members of society, living, shopping, and working in our neighborhoods, baby sitting our children and walking our pets.

Yes, that's what I want. Convicted serial rapists helping my wife with her groceries. Convicted pedophiles working working the ice cream truck. Convicted murderers working at toy stores. Convicted thieves working for me running a cash register.

With proper education and therapy we can, and must do this for the good of society, our children's futures, and the futures of thier children.

Marcmedic 12-25-2007 09:41 PM

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I'm against the death penalty, too. I also believe we should not incarcerate criminals for life, because that's also a death penalty.

We treat criminals horrendously and I find it reprehensible. Just because someone kills an entire family of four, doesn't mean there's no good in the convict and that he's not a wholesome person inside. We have a civic duty to find the good, find the sweetness in everyone.

We, as a caring and responsible society, should educate the criminals by doing away with the current penal system and it's institutions and replace them with education centers geared toward rehabilitation.

In doing this, the convicted criminals would not have to live a life behind bars, but would be made into productive members of society, living, shopping, and working in our neighborhoods, baby sitting our children and walking our pets.

Yes, that's what I want. Convicted serial rapists helping my wife with her groceries. Convicted pedophiles working working the ice cream truck. Convicted murderers working at toy stores. Convicted thieves working for me running a cash register.

With proper education and therapy we can, and must do this for the good of society, our children's futures, and the futures of thier children.


For a minute I thought you were serious! :fdance:

RubHer Yellow Ducky 12-25-2007 11:46 PM

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YOU want the answer...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Put convicted criminals in an induced COMA for their entire sentence...

they become much more manageable, they don't learn other ways to do crime from the other criminals,

AND

Its CHEAPER to maintain them...

No more question of a killing them... those that rape, child molest, committ murder, treason etc just put them into a COMA for 150 years...

If you want all the details just ask...

Karsun 12-25-2007 11:54 PM

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Yes, that's what I want. Convicted serial rapists helping my wife with her groceries. Convicted pedophiles working working the ice cream truck. Convicted murderers working at toy stores. Convicted thieves working for me running a cash register.


Just because I don't believe in one thing, doesn't mean it's a free for all. I don't believe that pedophiles can be rehabilitated. So why would I want them set free? You all can make fun all you want but I hardly think you know my entire value system or viewpoints just from a few threads of me saying I (a) don't believe in racism and prejudice and (b) don't support the death penalty. So go ahead, have your fun.
PS Marc, that truce is over whenever you want it to. I'd rather be civil but if that's not what you want then fine, have at it.

tower 12-26-2007 12:04 AM

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It's so much easier to polarize people into black/white, good/evil. That way we can dehumanize them and allow ourselves to be as evil as they are. That's so much easier than thinking and seeing realities of situations. How Christ-like. :notallthere:

Merry Christmas!

h2co-pilot 12-26-2007 12:06 AM

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Just because I don't believe in one thing, doesn't mean it's a free for all. I don't believe that pedophiles can be rehabilitated. So why would I want them set free? You all can make fun all you want but I hardly think you know my entire value system or viewpoints just from a few threads of me saying I (a) don't believe in racism and prejudice and (b) don't support the death penalty. So go ahead, have your fun.
PS Marc, that truce is over whenever you want it to. I'd rather be civil but if that's not what you want then fine, have at it.




tower 12-26-2007 12:12 AM

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I hate when that happens!

Karsun 12-26-2007 12:17 AM

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Marcmedic 12-26-2007 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tower
It's so much easier to polarize people into black/white, good/evil. That way we can dehumanize them and allow ourselves to be as evil as they are. That's so much easier than thinking and seeing realities of situations. How Christ-like. :notallthere:

Merry Christmas!


Are you really going to bring religion into this. What exactly does the good book say about punishment????

Marcmedic 12-26-2007 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Karsun
Just because I don't believe in one thing, doesn't mean it's a free for all. I don't believe that pedophiles can be rehabilitated. So why would I want them set free? You all can make fun all you want but I hardly think you know my entire value system or viewpoints just from a few threads of me saying I (a) don't believe in racism and prejudice and (b) don't support the death penalty. So go ahead, have your fun.
PS Marc, that truce is over whenever you want it to. I'd rather be civil but if that's not what you want then fine, have at it.


Did you not see the smiley face after the comment?
It's the internet...lighten up! Or apparently CP will have that nimrod Gore turn it off and I'll have nothing to do while at work....I'd have to resort to pissing off my co-workers.


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