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Brad 06-05-2005 11:26 AM

Click on the link and hear what Dave Chappelle has to say about racism.

http://funny.entensity.net/chappellesshow/chappellessho...whitesupremacist.wmv

Brad 06-05-2005 11:56 AM

I just watched the video. What a drama queen.

No wonder he tasered her, she didn't do anything but dis-respect the Officer. She also had suspended license, she obviously has no respect for authority.

The first words out of her mouth after the drama was I am suing the ... out of ya'll. I guess she will call John Kerry to represent her.
Imagine that!!

What is the officer supposed to do let her dictate to him what she wants to do? That isn't the way it works. I wonder why her license is suspended? I am sure the Officer knew that her license was suspended before he ever approached her.

V10MOJO2TOW 06-05-2005 01:05 PM

beautiful video, maybe next tiem the dumbass will listen. should hit her twice

Fubar 06-05-2005 03:17 PM

She should have said " Hey your a public servant, go get me a glass of water"

Just kidding

She got what she deserved for not responding to the officers requests.

Mully 06-05-2005 07:40 PM

What a whiny bitch! She is faking it all the way Better hit her with the pepper spray too

h2c0-pilot; I would imagine you would be better protected with the pepper spray. I say that based on the following...

You will probably be attacked at a very close range.
You are more likely to make contact with the spray while under attack then with the electrodes of the taser.

That is all based on NOTHING! Just trying to imagine the best defense in the most common attack situation.

Firm; one of the two jobs I have is a professional firefighter. The people I see who have been sprayed by PD are far worse off than those that have been tazed. Just my personal observation. From experience I have been hit with the spray before and it was hours before I felt better.

DennisAJC 06-05-2005 07:59 PM

Mully,

Did you belong to the CDFD????

A hand held Tazer is better for Co-pilot. Using pepper spray in close quarters might/will hurt her along with the assailant. The Tazer gun also requires a target standing still. Not so accurate.

Hand helds will allow you to even bear hug an assailant where you can pump the juice into his backside. Trust me, it's surefire!

Stand clear though, Tazers will cause the assailant to lose ALL bodily functions. EWWWW!

h2co-pilot 06-05-2005 10:25 PM

I have experience with the hand held- never zapped anyone though. The backside sounds good but I would probably tase the frontside if I could. I pity the fool.....

I also have a mace pen, and used to carry a little egg knife on my keychain, and have taken some Krav Maga classes...I'm not fawkin' around.

Mully 06-05-2005 11:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Mully,

Did you belong to the CDFD????

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, although I have partied with a few and found myself quite pissed!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have experience with the hand held- never zapped anyone though. The backside sounds good but I would probably tase the frontside if I could. I pity the fool.....

I also have a mace pen, and used to carry a little egg knife on my keychain, and have taken some Krav Maga classes...I'm not fawkin' around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My kinda girl!

tower 06-05-2005 11:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
I also have... taken some Krav Maga classes... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, ****! I didn't know you were an M.O.T.! I have a little background in Krav Maga. When the Chief Safardic Rabbai of Israel (kind of like the Jewish equivalent of the pope, without all the pomp) came to visit L.A., he had 3 body guards. I was one of them.

VTSTOMPER 06-06-2005 12:24 AM

Seeing that pic of the taser reminds me of a really funny read. Check this out!

FUNNY AS HELL

HummerNewbie 06-06-2005 12:43 AM

That story is funny as hell

KenP 06-06-2005 12:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
Seeing that pic of the taser reminds me of a really funny read. Check this out!

FUNNY AS HELL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Repost! But it's still funny as hell to read! I love that story. Thanks for the laugh!
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5106011751/m/102108.../102108097#102108097

Try this one:
http://www.shooshtime.com/clips/video.php?id=5173

DRTYFN 06-06-2005 01:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
...and have taken some Krav Maga classes...I'm not fawkin' around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have fun getting your ass kicked.

h2co-pilot 06-06-2005 02:01 AM

Whatever, GFY!

I have always been told that I need to be careful. I just want to be prepared. I almost kinda want to try something on somebody. I know I am little, i just wanted to up my stakes a bit. I am paranoid that someone is going to get me ( like a hermit crab when it changes shells ). Probably all the Lifetime movies I have sat through..

That Tazer story is one of the first things I ever read on here. It still makes me tear up.

DennisAJC 06-06-2005 02:32 AM

Accidental Tazing is common. Especially if you forget to discharge after use.

But that guy actually Tazing himself??? That's really gotta hurt. LMAO!

tower 06-06-2005 02:54 PM

Negative. Taser and stungun are 2 very different items. The Taser shoots a couple of barbed darts, which are connected to the launcher by spiraled hairlike wires. Because of this, it can be used at a distance. As long as the wires are intact, you can keep hitting the switch and re-shocking the assailant. The Taser would be ineffective against someone wearing a down parka or with several layers of clothing because it would not get close enough to the skin. The stun gun shoots no projectiles. Consequently, the operator must be close enough to the assailant to press the contacts against the body.

Accidental discharge is common with the stungun, not so with the Taser.

Mully 06-06-2005 06:11 PM

Thank you for the explanation. I knew that somewhere in the deep darks depths of my brain. That is what I was thinking when h2co-pilot was talking about getting a taser. A stungun would be much more effective.

DennisAJC 06-06-2005 06:33 PM

Oppps! My bad. I seem to have refered my Stun gun as a Tazer which are two different things.
It's a common mistake. Thanks Mully.

DRTYFN 06-06-2005 06:37 PM

So you've been stun gunning your nuts and not Tasering them.

DennisAJC 06-06-2005 06:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Accidental discharge is common with the stungun, not so with the Taser. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a negative.

06-06-2005 07:29 PM

It does pay to do what the officer directs.

However, the problem I have with this situation is that the offence was a simple traffic violation, not a bank hist or a murder. In most states, traffic infractions are a non-criminal offence (that is why most of your “rights” to due process are waived).

It is my current viewpoint that it should have been handled differently at first. Like using a flame thrower to kill a mouse...overkill.

DennisAJC 06-06-2005 07:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
It does pay to do what the officer directs.

However, the problem I have with this situation is that the offence was a simple traffic violation, not a bank hist or a murder. In most states, traffic infractions are a non-criminal offence (that is why most of your “rights” to due process are waived).

It is my current viewpoint that it should have been handled differently at first. Like using a flame thrower to kill a mouse...overkill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Like what????? Let her continue to mock the police officers by not obeying (Not even within reason) their requests? Talking on the phone, repeatedly asking for his badge and unit number, Telling them how to do their job???

Wait until they have to pull her fat ass out while she resisted with her bulk possibly injuing the officers in the scuffle???

I imagine she would bitch slap you silly if you tried it your way.

timgco 06-06-2005 07:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Hart-1:
It does pay to do what the officer directs.

However, the problem I have with this situation is that the offence was a simple traffic violation, not a bank hist or a murder. In most states, traffic infractions are a non-criminal offence (that is why most of your “rights” to due process are waived).

It is my current viewpoint that it should have been handled differently at first. Like using a flame thrower to kill a mouse...overkill.

Just a question, but what is "hart ponder"

KenP 06-06-2005 08:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally asked by timgco:
Just a question, but what is "hart ponder" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Didn't see that coming.

06-06-2005 11:53 PM

Remember, when it comes to situations like this, you can be right and still be wrong, from a political viewpoint. In the long run, will this situation serve the public trust? Will this past the Headline test? Time will tell.

How much time did the officer give her to comply? This was not a felon take down. this was not 911. It was a non-criminal traffic stop. Could the officer give her a little more "time" to comply before using this tactic?

I have been through the Verbal Judo class, which is the policy of many Police Departments, throughout the country . I heard no "ethical appeal" before using the tazer, which would have been appropriate, given it was only a traffic stop.

Again, this was not 911.

PARAGON 06-07-2005 12:05 AM

Remember...... Idiot!

06-07-2005 01:10 PM

Your opinion, while amusing, is irrelevant

(at least I don't give out people's e-mails on the fourm. Pot, kettle, black?)

DRTYFN 06-07-2005 01:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
Remember, when it comes to situations like this, you can be right and still be wrong, from a political viewpoint. In the long run, will this situation serve the public trust? Will this past the Headline test? Time will tell.

How much time did the officer give her to comply? This was not a felon take down. this was not 911. It was a non-criminal traffic stop. Could the officer give her a little more "time" to comply before using this tactic?

I have been through the Verbal Judo class, which is the policy of many Police Departments, throughout the country . I heard no "ethical appeal" before using the tazer, which would have been appropriate, given it was only a traffic stop.

Again, this was not 911. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sooo how long is the officer supposed to stand there while she's on the phone? How many times does he have to ask her to exit the vehicle? Should he have said "Ma'am, pleeeeease get out of the vehicle. Pretty please with sugar and spice and everything nice. ...C'mon, please please please please!!"?
Why should he have to resort to an "ethical appeal" to get her ass out of the car? Is that some kind of special way to ask degenerates to do something? Next thing you're going to say is that he didn't lay down a red carpet for her to stand on.

FIXED

PARAGON 06-07-2005 01:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
Your opinion, while amusing, is irrelevant

(at least I don't give out people's e-mails on the fourm. Pot, kettle, black?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>relevant enough to evoke a response with just 2 words.

yeah, giving "out people's e-mails on the fourm" is not something I choose to do either.

PARAGON 06-07-2005 01:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
Pot, kettle, black? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What exactly is your fascination with kitchenware? I believe you have probably used that phrase at least 10 times here. Not very esoteric if they're both black.

HummerNewbie 06-07-2005 02:41 PM

I have been pretty much sitting back and watching this thread but you know, I am so damn sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions. Everyone blames everyone else for what they do and what happens to them. I will have to go back and watch the video again, been a while, but I certainly do not have any sympathy for her. If you can not give respect, you better not f***ing expect to get any from me and you sure the hell better give it to all law enforcement officers. I wasn't there so I can not say whether I would have tazed her or not, but if it was completely unjustified, there would be a huge uproar over this. At this point I have not seen the uproar. Anyone else?

Just my opinion

06-07-2005 04:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sooo how long is the officer supposed to stand there while she's on the phone? How many times does he have to ask her to exit the vehicle? Should he have said "Ma'am, pleeeeease get out of the vehicle. Pretty please with sugar and spics and everything nice. ...C'mon, please please please please!!"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are very fair questions which I do not have an exact answer for. In fact, after reading this and others positive claims and comments on the matter, you may be right.

06-07-2005 04:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What exactly is your fascination with kitchenware? I believe you have probably used that phrase at least 10 times here. Not very esoteric if they're both black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, when dealing with self aggrandizing hypocrites like yourself, this analogy does come to mind quite frequently. I will try, for your sake, to find another example that demonstrates your poor mental habits.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yeah, giving "out people's e-mails on the fourm" is not something I choose to do either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your a liar too. Or were you just "not thinking" when you post this claim?

PARAGON 06-07-2005 05:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What exactly is your fascination with kitchenware? I believe you have probably used that phrase at least 10 times here. Not very esoteric if they're both black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, when dealing with self aggrandizing hypocrites like yourself, this analogy does come to mind quite frequently. I will try, for your sake, to find another example that demonstrates your poor mental habits.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yeah, giving "out people's e-mails on the fourm" is not something I choose to do either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your a liar too. Or were you just "not thinking" when you post this claim? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>WTF are you talking about? What are you beating around the bush about? It sounds as though you suggest that I gave out someone's personal email address w/o their permission or something.

The little reversal stuff doesn't work with me try again. I haven't given out anyone's private email address out in public, so..... liar, liar pants on fire.

ratesguy 06-07-2005 06:20 PM

This guy was completely justified in using his Taser.What part about obeying the lawful command of a uniformed police officer did she not get. I'll tell you. This attitude of "you have no right to make me obey the law if I don't want to" is why she was tasered. A person with that attitude is likely to harm that officer because she will just escalate the whole situation. Maybe she was on the phone calling for her own reinforcements. Handle the situation quickly and efficiently before there is a real esalation. By the way, did anyone else notice the locals wandering in front of the police car between her and the policeman? Could have been a very dangerous area and situation.

Peter etg 06-07-2005 06:21 PM

I´m glad i live in a part of the world where people don´t need to carry around weapons...

Klaus 06-07-2005 07:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I´m glad i live in a part of the world where people don´t need to carry around weapons... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Muslim Violence Ignored in Sweden, Norway
Bizblogger ^ | 03/21/05 | Richie Rich


Posted on 03/21/2005 2:34:03 PM PST by Richie Rich


A Norwegian blogger had a great post on the result of increasing Muslim populations in Scandanavia. In Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city, the Muslim population is growing so rapidly that it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years, according to some estimates. In Malmö, rape charges are 5-6 times that of neighboring Copenhagen, Denmark, despite the fact that Copenhagen is a larger city. Virtually every type of violent crime is on the rise in Malmö, particularly in the growing Muslim ghettos. Police reports reveal that the perpetrators in 68% of all rapes are ethnic minorities. Norway is also seeing an increase in violent crime.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year…While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Muslims make up the majority of immigrants of “non-western background."

The response? Unni Wikan, a social anthropology professor at the University of Oslo says,

"Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative.


(Excerpt) Read more at bizblogger.blogspot.com ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1367457/posts

KenP 06-07-2005 07:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I´m glad i live in a part of the world where people don´t need to carry around weapons... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't tell the bad guys that. They'll go get you just like DC.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Pretty please with sugar and spics and everything nice </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Bigot!

KenP 06-07-2005 07:12 PM

That's very scary Klaus. We should watch ourselves.


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