You mean assembled in the US...
Sorry, but only about half of that rig is made in the US, other goes from mexico to canada..
There are even a few modules made in singapore...


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
Nice write-off for my business (around 26k). I even considered buying an H1 and placing company stickers all over it like a billboard. We can use the 100k write-off! Thanks to George there is no tax benefit to buying a light-duty tacoma.

Gas is a business expense like SJ said. It feels good to support jobs in Indiana and my Dad's retirement I am even considering buying my wife an H2 SUT. She currently has a Tahoe but I want something heavier/safer to tote my 2 yr. old around in.

BTW, every time my son sees a hummer he says "Daddy's Truck!" Makes me proud to buy an American made vehicle and pass those values along to my son like my father did me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

crash:

The parts content is almost entirely American. The throttle sensor is from Hitachi, but you can source the technology and engineering from right here in the States.

There are exceptions to the rule. I'm aware that there's cross-pollinization among Ford and Mazda; GM and Isuzu; and others. However, we must look at the absolute when it comes to the H2:

- Designed by Americans
- Corporate base in America
- Product Control is American
- Produced in an American Factory
- Majority of Parts Content is American
- Revenue goes to an American Corp. [GM]

Toyota:

- Proliferate a Japanese product
- Possible Assembly in USA
- Some American Parts, but Mostly Japanese
- Market Share Goes to Foreign Nameplate
- Ultimate Control is in Japan
- Engineering and Design may be Partially in USA, but foundation is in Japan
- Global Measures view "Toyota Brand" as a Japanese entity. Example: Businessweek releases figures and Toyota counts as Japanese, while GM and Ford are American.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
What the @#$*?????

To be challenged by Jeeps or Discos in one thing, very debatable...BUT TOYOTAS???????????
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a challenge to me, you going to take then up on the challenge, or just Web-Wheel?

Ted:

Dennis AJC is going to roll down to Virginia to fulfill an Internet challenge. Don't hold your breath; he lives in Canada.

I'm done with Romper Room, see you guys later.



# of Japanese Cars/Trucks I own as of 9/2/03 = "0" and damn proud of it!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
Ted:

Dennis AJC is going to roll down to Virginia to fulfill an Internet challenge. Don't hold your breath; he lives in Canada.

I'm done with Romper Room, see you guys later.



# of Japanese Cars/Trucks I own as of 9/2/03 = "0" and damn proud of it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure there is a Tacoma in Canada.

Yes, just watch.

H2's on the landscape waiting while the Toyotas don't show because they deliver pizza for a living.

Just as silly as my 4 year old son daring me to spank him. Well? Do you punk? Do you feel lucky?

TAKE THE MONEY ISSUE OUT OF THE EQUATION.Then you'll understand.


He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Get youselves a bumper sticker,

"When I grow up, I wanna be a Hummer"

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

I live in Corpus Christi Texas. Anyone wanna wheel with me? Hell I am only on 33's. a stock H2 is on 35's.
I am all about a friendly outing and will give credit where credit is due. <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> </pre> Mild Taco.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
Toyota IS JAPANESE - it is NOT American!!!!! It may be assembled (pieced together) on American soil, but the product you're supporting and the nameplate you're proliferating is still foreign. The ultimate _CONTROL_ and _revenue_ filters back to Japan.

It irks me when people make excuses to buy Japanese and think it's OK because it's "made in America." Bullshyt - it is a foreign product that benefits from lower tariffs and import quotas by assembling on US soil.

Toyota started building cars by taking apart a Chevy and examining it piece-by-piece. Same as the Soviets that copied our F15 fighters to develop their own product [MiG 29]. The Toyota Tundra is a complete rip-off of the Ford F150.

I have a H2 and Chevy truck. Each serves a different purpose, so why do jealous morons feel the need to come here and bash a product that is designed, manufactured, and sold in America using mostly American parts?

What kind of red-blooded American bashes a Hummer and touts a Toyota? Sounds like a sell-out to me. I couldn't drive a Toyota with a clear conscience; knowing I could have supported an American brand, but it's a free-market economy, so I don't bash foreign brands. _My issue is with folks that tout Japanese products while at the same time bashing their very own (Ford, GM)._

My relatives come from Europe and they're utterly shocked at the number of Japanese cars on our roads. They can't fathom that we allow so many foreign products to flood our roads. If so many peope have this attitude that we should buy Japanese and bash our own brands, then I may be the last guy to buy American.

I'm perfectly happy with bull riding, apple pie, and my Chevy truck. You can keep your Toyota, but It's not American - never was and never will be!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure hope you are as strong with this attidude toward Jeeps/Dodges and Crysler produts being GERMAN.

I care more on how well the car or truck works and less on where it is made. The Toyota Tacoma is by far the best small truck on the market for offroading [higher ground clearance, stock rear locking diff to name 2]

HEY YOTAS, WOULD'NT IT BE MORE ON THE LEVEL TO COMPARE AN H2 TO TOYOTA SEQUOIA? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN SUV. AS FOR DOS TACOS, WHEN WE GO OUT ON OUR NEXT OUTING I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE YOU IN OUR TRIP, WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE TO GO OFFROADING AND IT'S OPENED TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME ALONG. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT ANYBODYS RIG. OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE GOOD OUTDOORS AND FRIENDS.

SJ,

So what are you trying to say, that i'm not AMERICAN because i drive a Toyoda? If that is what you are saying than your a complete moron! Look at most of the products you buy and have in your business and home. I guarntee that at least 75% is foreign made (you commie!) Our economy is partially based on foreign trade. When we buy stuff made in other contries they buy stuff from us. I know of alot of companies that do business with Japan in exports. Man open your eyes and stop believing everything you see on TV. Tough compition is what this country is all about! The law of supply and demand. Toyoda is just supplying very durable goods for a good price. And not that it makes one bit of differance i currently own a 1997 Dodge Ram 4x4, 2001 Chevy Blazer, and my company van is a Chevy 3500. So go blow your anti-american B.S. out your A$$!!



My Toyoda can still go more places than your H2 !

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OLE YLLR:
HEY YOTAS, WOULD'NT IT BE MORE ON THE LEVEL TO COMPARE AN H2 TO TOYOTA SEQUOIA? nope, we consider that a mall runner too. :-) WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN SUV. AS FOR DOS TACOS, WHEN WE GO OUT ON OUR NEXT OUTING I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE YOU IN OUR TRIP, WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE TO GO OFFROADING AND IT'S OPENED TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME ALONG. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT ANYBODYS RIG. OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE GOOD OUTDOORS AND FRIENDS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are on, I am sure I can get a couple of guys to join up.

and remember when the ELVish wars get hot we will have your back!

Oh the shame of being corrected on who owns who.... Don't think I can live through this one.. Hey any one in germany with an H2 wana go wheeling? We could also throw the Land cruser into the mix If you would like to have another Toyota to compair the Hummer to. The land cruser has been quoted as being the most capable Production offroad vehical (by 4X4 Magazine If I remember correctly) anyone wana correct me on that? as per being a different vehical than the H1 ..... uh Ok if you believe..
In 89 the US army did a test of 7 Vehical manufactures for the replacement of the tired and uncapable blazer fleet (cuccv) and due the the bids recieved and the at the time the Pre production models dependability they purchased the Hummer. of course the Lambo version was the best over all but the price tag was too high and the thought that a soldier could exceed 140mph in an offroad vehical was just too much to deal with.... but once again. enjoy what you have! I know I do! By the way when you call us guests.... I am now a registered member! untill I am banned for giving the other side of the story.... Still any takers on a Germany wheeling trip?
David

Can't we all just get along!?

David,
Just to help you out- it's v-e-h-i-c-l-e. Remember that. I know you're "David in Germany", but god damnit learn to spell what you're talking about you blockhead. I know that 4X4 magazine that you hold in your hands like a bible probably spells v-e-h-i-c-l-e correctly.
As for the Lambo LM002, you've very obviously never been around them, have you? Sure they were fast in their day, but their reliability sucked. You think the Humvees break down from rough use, you should see how those things do just around town. I've got a few friends that have owned them, two of which now own H2s, and they both say the H2s are hands down a better v-e-h-i-c-l-e.
And you're not banned- we need a good whipping child because beating up on that poor retard( sorry, developmentally challenged) Chris is getting old.

Would you do me a favor and go out and speed up and down the Autobahn really, really fast just because you can. What?!!!! You're truck won't go that fast?!! Why not? Ohhh yeah, maybe it's because you don't have the money to buy something fast, because you don't have a good enough paying job, because you can't spell worth a ****. Sorry, got all riled up after going back and reading your other post on page 4. I'll be nice now.

And by the way, we (H2 owners) would all like to get along with ALL of the other makes and models of 4X4s, SUVs,ect., because we take enough **** from all of the enviro-wackos that say we're the root of all enviromental destruction.

wow not only drives a H2 but he is trying to assist in my education, educatun, egacation... whatever. As per what I can afford, this is not the topic but I OWN 1 1987 4runner, 1 1993 Celica, 1 1997 Lancia Kappa, and last but not least a 92 Renalt Clio. I would not trade any one of them, or value wise compaired to a H2 any 3 of them...
Don't worry guys the link is not to some porn site!
forgot to mention

truth hurts
With Love,
David

Can't we all just get along!?

[This message was edited by David in Germany on 09-03-03 at 04:04 AM.]

I would imagine he has posted here, because this brainless post has made its way to other forums to show the ignorance of the GM Suburban-H2 community. Not the Hummer community. Now it has stumbled it's way to me. God I feel like my brain has been robbed of intelligence after reading this. The dude with the jacked up H2...it looks cool, can it function? That remains to be seen, but it looks cool. Why doesn't a Mod close this thread..since you can't close your hoods with out cracking something, and we can be done with this. I'm still baffled, as to why Hummer would let GM put their name on a Suburban...cough...I mean H2. Now back to some real conversation. Thanks...I had a great time, but I must go before some one see me here.

This whole topic is retarded or is it developmentally challenged, I forgot. The H2 owners like their H2s, don't give them **** or what not. You Toyota like your Toyotas. So if you are going to rile up the fourm leave. If not then stay and actually say something constructive. Seriously, do you idiots understand this concept?

JSB, wow you are real mature. Get a life.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
SJ,

I am with you. I have ONLY owned American vehicles. I have owned 2 Silverados, 1 Suburban, 1 Tahoe, 1 S10, 1 small blazer and 2 K5 blazers and of course my H2! My father is retired from GM so I know the effects of buying Japanese junk, but now the tables have turned. GM is kicking ass in the truck department like never before! There is absolutely no excuse to spend money on a "foreign truck" and I use that term loosely. Every time I hear someone say foreign and truck together it sends chills down my spine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You bought Chevy because it was cheap through your Daddy. I support the GM account where I work and own a $40k Burb (sticker) my discount got me to $31k. Talk about reipping off the American people. And guess what I've got 40k on it, and it's had sh!t break like the lock relays, the window module, the out drive gasket, etc. etc. I towed a 5 x 10 trailer and the torque converter went out or at least whines now. Talk about American Quality, I feel like I've been betrayed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris:
JSB, wow you are real mature. Get a life.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard my nephew (3rd grader) say that to another the other day. Talk about a great debater...Now I'm not saying you have the mind of a 3rd grader...He just might have a great mind such as yourself.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
crash:

The parts content is almost entirely American. The throttle sensor is from Hitachi, but you can source the technology and engineering from right here in the States.

There are exceptions to the rule. I'm aware that there's cross-pollinization among Ford and Mazda; GM and Isuzu; and others. However, we must look at the absolute when it comes to the H2:

- Designed by Americans
- Corporate base in America
- Product Control is American
- Produced in an American Factory
- Majority of Parts Content is American
- Revenue goes to an American Corp. [GM]

Toyota:

- Proliferate a Japanese product
- Possible Assembly in USA
- Some American Parts, but Mostly Japanese
- Market Share Goes to Foreign Nameplate
- Ultimate Control is in Japan
- Engineering and Design may be Partially in USA, but foundation is in Japan
- Global Measures view "Toyota Brand" as a Japanese entity. Example: Businessweek releases figures and Toyota counts as Japanese, while GM and Ford are American.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must of forgot about our Mexico Plant that assembles several of the GM trucks.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OLE YLLR:
HEY YOTAS, WOULD'NT IT BE MORE ON THE LEVEL TO COMPARE AN H2 TO TOYOTA SEQUOIA? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN SUV. AS FOR DOS TACOS, WHEN WE GO OUT ON OUR NEXT OUTING I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE YOU IN OUR TRIP, WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE TO GO OFFROADING AND IT'S OPENED TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME ALONG. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT ANYBODYS RIG. OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE GOOD OUTDOORS AND FRIENDS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd say lets compare the Land Cruiser. The FJ80 hold 7.

OK guys, normally I am one to always feed the trolls because it makes me laugh to get them riled up, but I think this thread has gone too far for some reason. How about we don't respond (you too Chris) an dthese stupid idiots will go away and bother another forum. Just ignore them.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

Rock Yoda:

1. I'm not here to get into a juvenile pissing match. You came here as a guest and started in with the rude comments!

2. I NEVER said that a person who buys a Toyota is unpatriotic: you're making a loose assumption.

3. My TV is from Holland and my Stereo is American and Danish; My cars/trucks are American; My Appliances are American; my Lawn Mower is American; My Power Tools are American. Some of my son's toys are made in China by mostly American companies. See the pattern here? I do my best to avoid Japanese products, as I'd rather not contribute to the trade deficit and I have numerous personal reasons for not buying Japanese.

4. I'm far from being a Communist and I seriously doubt you could define what a Communist System consists of. Do you want to discuss Iosef Dzugashvili, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, Karl Marx - I can discuss these topics with you, since I've studied Russian/Soviet, Polish, Czech, East German, and other localized histories. I'm a fervent Capitalist (reading Milosz Czeslaw and other avante garde anti-Communists) and that's why I keep posting that I support the free-market system. I don't bash folks for buying Japanese, though I wouldn't buy their automotive products my self.

How hard is this to understand? I'm putting things in rudimentary terms, is it finally sinking in?

JSB:

I was strongly opposed to NAFTA. Yes, I'm aware that GM and even Dodge assemble in Mexico. My vehicles were all assembled here in America. I have one vehicle from Michigan, the H2 from Indiana, etc.

The import vs. domestic issue was not started by me, but I will certainly defend my American nameplates, as I have pride in our products.

Toyota happens to assemble their Tacomas in Fremont, CA. This facility is close to where I was raised, so I certainly apreciate the jobs that NUMMI has opportuned for locals. My issue is with the trade deficit, and not giving market share to foreign nameplates, among a few reasons that I don't buy Japanese.

It is my personal choice to purchase what I will (as is your right) and my personal choice to defend American products when people come here and stir the pot. I'm not angry or upset about any of this; just stating my case.

End of Story.

[This message was edited by SJ on 09-03-03 at 08:58 AM.]

Whoo...Finally done. I guess I'm on my way to the gallery. I'd like to see a man driving one of these for once.

dostacos:

Yep, I made this very point to a group of earlier trolls. Jeep is a German-owned brand. DC has shifted the dual HQ structure to a sole base in Germany. The CEO and board is almost entirely German.

Jeep still sources most of its parts in the USA. Much of the assembly is in the USA, but we already see DC using cross-pollinization from other brands within their global umbrella. For example, the CRD engine was developed by M-Benz and we'll most likely see this very same engine in future Grands. The Liberty is due to have a M-Benz derived engine in 2005 and more components are shared with Daimler.

Many Jeep enthusiasts are disgusted with the "watering down" of their products. Some Dodge Viper enthusiasts have gone through the same disappointment when the latest Viper hit the market. It was seen as too polished and clinical like a Benz, when many of us prefer a raw muscle car feel.

The import and domestic debate is complex and not the same as it was in the 70s or even 80s. We could write a novel by going back-and-forth.

I support your right to buy whatever you want. I don't agree with buying a $20K+ consumer product from Japan, but that's my opinion and I don't force my opinion down any one's throat.

Heck, buy a Cuban car if you can find one and really want it. My overlying point is that some of your colleagues came here and bashed HUMMER for no reason other than to be antagonists. I'm defending American nameplates.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
JSB:

I was strongly opposed to NAFTA. Yes, I'm aware that GM and even Dodge assemble in Mexico. My vehicles were all assembled here in America. I have one vehicle from Michigna, the H2 from Indiana, etc.

The import vs. domestic issue was not started by me, but I will certainly defend my American nameplates, as I have pride in our products.

Toyota happens to assemble their Tacomas in Fremont, CA. This facility is close to where I was raised, so I certainly apreciate the jobs that NUMMI has opportuned for locals. My issue is with the trade deficit, and not giving market share to foreign nameplates, among a few reasons that I don't buy Japanese.

It is my personal choice to purchase what I will (as is your right) and my personal choice to defend American products when people come here and stir the pot. I'm not angry or upset about any of this; just stating my case.

End of Story.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the info on the toyota plant. I'm not sure why you would share that with me, because I've never posted any preference about the Toyotas, but again thanks. I for one don't mind you having some American Pride. I get sick to my stomach everyday, because I here how mine and other companies cut american jobs and send them to India or other countries because of cheap labor. It kills us. Why do such a thing to ourselves? I'm on your side...I don't want to see Amercian companies ripping Amercians off anymore. Demand they build a quality v-e-h-i-c-l-e. I took my suburban back four times for the brakes. Four times! Demanded that this $40k dollar truck should not squeal like mad everytime I touch the brakes. After the forth time of trying to cheaply correct it, they told me sorry, we're not working on it anymore. I can't support that type of workmanship. I believe there was a website devoted to the problem, because so many just had to deal with it. Anyway, I'm hungry...time to eat.

JSB:

The reason I mentioned NUMMI in Fremont is to show that I'm well aware of the maquiladoras [sp?] in Mexico that are assembling American nameplates and the converse, where Toyota is assembling on US soil. It was supposed to tie into your Mexico reference.

By doing a web search, we can find all the plants in America: BMW, GM, Ford, Nissan, etc.

I was just acknowledging both sides for a balanced response. This way, the Toyota folks can't try to blast me for being one-sided and blind to all facets.

Sorry to hear about your Suburban. My folks bought a BMW and had even worse experiences. There are certainly lemons or bad draws out of each batch.

wow I am glad everyone is calming down! Can we go wheeling now?

Can't we all just get along!?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
JSB:

The reason I mentioned NUMMI in Fremont is to show that I'm well aware of the maquiladoras [sp?] in Mexico that are assembling American nameplates and the converse, where Toyota is assembling on US soil. It was supposed to tie into your Mexico reference.

By doing a web search, we can find all the plants in America: BMW, GM, Ford, Nissan, etc.

I was just acknowledging both sides for a balanced response. This way, the Toyota folks can't try to blast me for being one-sided and blind to all facets.

Sorry to hear about your Suburban. My folks bought a BMW and had even worse experiences. There are certainly lemons or bad draws out of each batch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see...and true about the lemon reference.

Nice pic of Sams rig.

I know this is wrong, but we all need to remember this.

Tirds,

Kindly list your aftermarket parts, who the manufacturer is, and where the part was manufactured.
*How much did you spend on your yoda to get it ready for heavier duty than pizza delivery?
*Did the cost of modifications exceed what you paid for the "truck/car" originally?
*Do you tow with your off-road yodas, if so, what? (towing chopped off pickup beds does not count).
*Do you think a modified El Camino is faster and more impressive off-road than a Yoda?
*Do you think Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company?
*Do people on Jerry Springer's show remind you of your neighbors?
*Does your Yoda have a rag for a gas cap?
*Does your Yoda have curtains?
*Do you think the "mountain men" in deliverance were just misunderstood?
*Did your huntin’ dog cost more than your yoda?
*Can you change the oil in your truck without ducking your head?

Drtyfn.....you bastard! You made me laugh so hard I almost choked.

As for the rest of the forum...when are we going to learn to just ignore these "vistors" who sooooooo clearly have a hostile agenda? Time and again we've watched other forums come here to boast their brand and put us in our place.

As a general rule...I tend to avoid anyone ranked as rookie or novice. And when they start telling us how the H2 sucks...that should be a clue that they're not "friendly's"

Toyota IS a solid vehicle....but OH MY GOD is that a tiny-tight fit of a cabin: way narrow, cramped and lacking comfort....an absolute hell to take on any lengthy journey, adventure or outting. The door panels are waffer-thin. Until you've driven in an H2...you just don't know what you're missing! It's like comparing spam to prime-choice steak. Mmmmm....steak.....

I am impressed with the Taccoma's clearance and it has a reasonable approach angle....but unless you clip the tail, she'll drag and get hung-up all day. Course, the only real offroading Toyota would be the FJ-series!

The Tacoma is the prime choice for pool-cleaning service, pizza deliver or a hack carpenter who'll never be a foreman cause he's flakey, sloppy, stupid and only half the craftsman he thinks he is.

As for CrapusTuRD...get real boy! That thing would tip right over in a heart-beat. You're CG is way too high AND your "built" modifications take you way beyond the design/warranty of the vehicle...putting undo stresses on components and causing all sorts of regular breakages. Do YOU know what you're talking about?????? Bet you're traction control system works well too...opps...ya don't have one? You may be the king of the mud-bog....but any sideslope and you're going over!

The H2 is not the King of the offroad world, it does lack clearance and has its weaknesses....but what rig doesn't?. It's really quite simple...if you enjoy what you have, that's all that matters.

drtyfn I see you found my picture!

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

Steve:

Well said as usual!

Toyota Guys:

Don't come here and disrespect people that have good-natured threads. It's just plain wrong and you deserve the responses you get when you step in here on that note. Now SCRAM!

Not all of us NON H2 owners are here to be hostile, just point out the facts
Here are the facts as I see it.
I work on H2's, I know them inside/out and certified on them. I also build off-road specific rigs, from toys-jeeps (if you would like to see my work then ask). I know for a fact what base vehicles work, what don't, and what it takes to modify/make them work.
I am a die hard toy guy, and have spent years developing/building them, but I am also open minded torwards what else is out there, and I see alot of erogance. But, I will also be hanging around to hopefully answer questions when they pop up..

Some of us wheel to get out, some of us, its our lifestyle..


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Drtyfn.....you bastard! You made me laugh so hard I almost choked.

As for the rest of the forum...when are we going to learn to just ignore these "vistors" who sooooooo clearly have a hostile agenda? Time and again we've watched other forums come here to boast their brand and put us in our place.

As a general rule...I tend to avoid anyone ranked as rookie or novice. And when they start telling us how the H2 sucks...that should be a clue that they're not "friendly's"

Toyota IS a solid vehicle....but OH MY GOD is that a tiny-tight fit of a cabin: way narrow, cramped and lacking comfort....an absolute hell to take on any lengthy journey, adventure or outting. The door panels are waffer-thin. Until you've driven in an H2...you just don't know what you're missing! It's like comparing spam to prime-choice steak. Mmmmm....steak.....

I am impressed with the Taccoma's clearance and it has a reasonable approach angle....but unless you clip the tail, she'll drag and get hung-up all day. Course, the only real offroading Toyota would be the FJ-series!

The Tacoma is the prime choice for pool-cleaning service, pizza deliver or a hack carpenter who'll never be a foreman cause he's flakey, sloppy, stupid and only half the craftsman he thinks he is.

As for CrapusTuRD...get real boy! That thing would tip right over in a heart-beat. You're CG is way too high AND your "built" modifications take you way beyond the design/warranty of the vehicle...putting undo stresses on components and causing all sorts of regular breakages. Do YOU know what you're talking about?????? Bet you're traction control system works well too...opps...ya don't have one? You may be the king of the mud-bog....but any sideslope and you're going over!

The H2 is not the King of the offroad world, it does lack clearance and has its weaknesses....but what rig doesn't?. It's really quite simple...if you enjoy what you have, that's all that matters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

Steve,

That was well said. Coming from a Guru I wouldn't expect anything less. As I'm sure you've noticed I'm not a big fan of GM's rendition of the Hummer, but that doesn't mean I can't come here and learn more about it. Hell I hadn't heard it had problems with the hood cracking the wind shield until today. Feel free to sway my opinion. Pretend I was that newbie that posted...Interested in the H2, can you tell me more about it...I try to stay objective as I can. I am partial to things that last.(I.E. Not GM) I don't believe that just because I make alot of money, that I should give it away to the highest price tag.(Since brilliant minds have suggested money is the factor) The most wealthy people are the ones that save the penny not spend it. I respect the fact that everyone should be able to purchase what they want, and enjoy it as well, as fashionable as it may be. I guess the H2 owners are bashing the Tacomas because a Tacoma driver voiced his opinion. I was wondering why the Land Cruisers 40s 60s or 80s haven't been brought up. Or if you want to spend money the LX450. I believe it was the highest priced SUV in 96. Maybe 97, I'm not a mag stat dictionary. It has plenty of room for the more heavy set types, that can't fit in a mid size vehicle. I guess another reason why I'm not a big fan is because like GM did to the Corvette...there's one on every corner. I'd like to see something else I guess. Anyway, I looked through the members rides, and there are some pretty cool pictures. I'm glad to see some of you get them dirty. I'm not a big Mud Dogger fan, but what ever floats your boat right. You do your best to ignore my novice post okay. I'm going to read a little more about the H2, before I'll call it a day. Oh BTW, Do you have any pics of your gliders. Those have always interested me, but I've never ventured past cars. I think I'd get seriouly pissed the first time I wrecked one.
Regards...