<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Ha Ha, big mistake Alec, I am bored tonight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!! YA FACKED NOW BOIIIEEE!!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Ha Ha, big mistake Alec, I am bored tonight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!! YA FACKED NOW BOIIIEEE!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"And your little dog too!! Hee Hee Hee...".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Fred's comming to Moab CP, he is not happy with you. Fred saw your picture chop and asked where he should poop at the Gonzo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Captain and Bodie have Fred's back. They'll pee on just about anything I tell them too.

I might as well jump in. Haven't played in a while.

OMG!!!!! That's precious!!!!!


THAT'S ONE FAWKING UUUUUGLY DOG! Must be a pug

Don't push me into a face off.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Ha Ha, big mistake Alec, I am bored tonight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!! YA FACKED NOW BOIIIEEE!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>OK, those two posts are the funniest I've seen in a long time! Damn...

Again, I have to post this because Tower is not responding:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Running a +4 trail is different then touching a few spots on a +4 trail.

BTW, I understand Bill hates H2's. So why would he take you two on a +4 trail knowing the truck would probably not make it without serious damage? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Help us out, ~T. Make things right.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Don't push me into a face off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nasty. You and Alec in a pee-pee face off. Barf thank you......

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Hart,

Never had any beef with you before but you need to shut that pie hole of yours.

I'm sure you would not appreciate someone lying to you about their abilities to later put yourself and your family/friends in danger. Unfortunately this was the case with Tower and his credibility about anything has been in question since.

Tower I have no doubt is a good person with a generous heart. But he has issues with his ego.

Instead of clearly admiting his "INEXPERIENCE" and "EXTREME FEAR" during our last Moab trip. He displayed incredibly idiotic behavior on the trails ENDANGERING some of the group members.

It was obvious Tower was desperately trying to maintain his "RESCUE MAN" status repeatedly ignoring other members warnings and guidance. Later on having an excuse for every numerous incident involving him.

There is no room for that kind of crap with our group of friends and for the type of wheeling we do. Know it alls are fine. Just be prepared to back your BS.

There. I said it. But I think it had to be said. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you keep inviting him then? Sounds like a jerk.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Fred's comming to Moab CP, he is not happy with you. Fred saw your picture chop and asked where he should poop at the Gonzo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's fine, I'll wipe a booger on him.

You might want to bring his personal groomer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HammerH2:
Why do you keep inviting him then? Sounds like a jerk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Only invited him once...Never again.

Porn Star Dog.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Baja? Are you kidding there are more topographical maps of the area of Baja then almost any place in the world. Perhaps you've heard of the Baja 1000? You best do a little research...

Yes you always map the route for your self. No exceptions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Topos? No ****. I carry a GPS. But that was not the issue.

I have never, ever seen a Baja map with trail ratings, never. I have yet to see a detailed map with trail (off road) names throughout baja. If you know of some, please share.

Sure, you can find them for some (very few) main off roads, however these are the roads I try to avoid.
However, GPS "detailed" software is just starting to come out....but they still mostly lack the above information.

Well here's some info that might be of help. You are correct about books with trail raitings they seam to be difficult to find but there are many, many books and videos out there covering Baja. the SideKick maps are great I've used them a lot for off-roading in Big Bear.


Off Highway Adventure Series 1

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[More Sidekick Off Road Trail Maps]

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http://www.rainbowgardensbookshop.com/desert.html

Hart! = pwn3d!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You are correct about books with trail raitings they seam to be difficult to find </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. Thanks for the info, but I have all the Topos, Maps, etc.,...My point being, trail ratings and many trail names are lacking in Baja...that is my only claim, and it is correct!

I feel sorry for some that will not explore this or other areas without this "intel"...

Alac, Drtyfn, can't you two read? He proved my claim...

(Some of the best hot springs in Baja were found by an old timer drawing me a map, counting trails and using landmarks! Have GPS coordinates now, if any one wants them!)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Alac, Drtyfn, can't you two read? He proved my claim... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


ALL HART1'S ASS ARE BELONG TO US

Nasty girly girl.:barf:

Where is she anyway?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Funny. Will the evil mod (who is S&B) deleat that one tonight like last night too?

S&B is dead. Trust is broken because of the moderation </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Don't worry. I won't MODERATE this one.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Where is she anyway? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Who?

Too easy: "4x4 Type Maps" = Trail Ratings and Trail Names, remember the "Intel" that is needed for some? What good is a "4x4 type map" if it does not include this information?

The maps that were shown does not have this information, but are also missing 90% of the trails out in Baja

I know Attention Deficit Disorder is problematic for you two, but try to keep up!

How in the HELL did you ever conjure up enough brain cells to pass your driving test, let alone figure out how to fill out the loan app for your truck? Let me guess you got your license out of cracker jack box and someone else filled out the paper work for you..

What the F*** are you talking about? Your point originally was that there were no maps of Baja. Well you were proven wrong there so now your going to twist this around until you find some glimmer of hope of proving some twisted point in your feeble mind. Give it a rest and come up with some other topic you might be more informed on.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Too easy: "4x4 Type Maps" = Trail Ratings and Trail Names, remember the "Intel" that is needed for some? What good is a "4x4 type map" if it does not include this information?

The maps that were shown does not have this information, but are also missing 90% of the trails out in Baja

I know Attention Deficit Disorder is problematic for you two, but try to keep up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fubar00:
How in the HELL did you ever conjure up enough brain cells to pass your driving test, let alone figure out how to fill out the loan app for your truck? Let me guess you got your license out of cracker jack box and someone else filled out the paper work for you..

What the F*** are you talking about? Your point originally was that there were no maps of Baja. Well you were proven wrong there so now your going to twist this around until you find some glimmer of hope of proving some twisted point in your feeble mind. Give it a rest and come up with some other topic you might be more informed on.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Too easy: "4x4 Type Maps" = Trail Ratings and Trail Names, remember the "Intel" that is needed for some? What good is a "4x4 type map" if it does not include this information?

The maps that were shown does not have this information, but are also missing 90% of the trails out in Baja

I know Attention Deficit Disorder is problematic for you two, but try to keep up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've been talking to me too much.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What the F*** are you talking about? Your point originally was that there were no maps of Baja. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true. Never posed this, you dip ****.

Reasoning with you is like trying to give medicine to a dead man.

Your either can't read, or are a Neanderthal (or, you could be both).

The issue was "Intel"= Trail Ratings & Trail Names.

My post clearly shows that "4x4 type maps" I was referring to included this "Intel" i.e., Trail Ratings & Trail Names for Baja, again, I have never seen any substantial maps of Baja that shows this "Intel."

If you wanted a "4x4 type map" of Baja, would you not want this "intel" included?

In my mind, It would not be a 4x4 type map without this information (trail ratings and trail names). Se the diff between Topos and 4x4 maps?

Do you get it? Or, or you so blinded by your wanting to "prove me wrong" that you can't take your head out of your ass long enough to read what was posted?

Since I am dealing with some ass holes here, let me also put this disclaimer out:

I never claimed that 4x4 type maps complete with trail ratings and a majority of trail names do not exist for Baja. I have never come across any in all my research. I have never seen any. And so far, no one has produced a map that does.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Topos? No ****. I carry a GPS. But that was not the issue.

I have never, ever seen a Baja map with trail ratings, never. I have yet to see a detailed map with trail (off road) names throughout baja. If you know of some, please share.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

your a f ing idiot and I'm not going to justify this with a response.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">your a f ing idiot and I'm not going to justify this with a response. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, right. Don't disprove what was posted, just insult.

Have you found a map with trail ratings yet for Baja?

Or, is all you can produce is a map on how to get to a Mexican McDonalds in Baja? Or, a Topo map with no trail names?

Ass Hole.

Ok **** for brains since you can't seam to remember what you typed a few pages back let me refresh your memory. Your quote:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I 4x4 Mexico a lot, and without the benefit of 4x4 type maps (they just don't exist.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ok see you said 4x4 maps of Baja don't exist.

You didn't say "trail rated 4x4 maps" you said simply that 4x4 maps of the area didn't exist. A topo map is a 4x4 map of the area. It may not have all the info you're looking for but it is what it is. A map intended for 4x4 use.

Now what part of that seams to be so damn difficult for you to remember or admit to? I'm sorry if your fragile ego has been hurt by the truth.

Are we clear on what you said not what you meant to say?

Why take my words out of context? Here is the context:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
NEVER, not once! I have always researched EVERY single trail I have been on. To go out and start a trail without this intel can be very dangerous, not to mention a risk to your life and others around you. have been luck to meet up with this group to go out and run these trails in CO and UT.


(I responded)
You may be the exception to the rule. I don't know. We should do a poll, a good question is raised.

What if you are with an Expert Guide like Tower was? Would you still do all that mapping?

You are a better person than me or the 4x4 group(s) I hang with. It is fun to explore and hit the unknown...Does this fact make you right and me "wrong"? Or, should one now be subjected to ridicule for not knowing the name of a trail or rating?

Also, I 4x4 Mexico a lot, and without the benefit of 4x4 type maps (they just don't exist for much of Baja)...This won't stop me from going.

However, my outlook on this aspect may need adjustment, thanks for the powerful points you have made.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

4x4 type maps = Trails that are marked and rated. Farbar if you can't understand this I can't help you. This was my meaning, and the context shows.

You even admitted that you came up short on findig rated trails, so I know you understood my claim.

Let the readers decide. I stand by my claims.

dude go out and get laid, relax.. your heads going to explode. Give it a rest. I could care less what you think or what you say or what you thought you said. It doesn't matter and it doesn't solve or reslove anything. All any of this is proving is that you are the type of person who will argue and argue and argue knowing full well they are wrong but you'll keep arguing until you get your way. Whatever makes you happy I really don't care.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
anything you post from this day forward automatically gets flamed by the "auto flame the ******* bot" </div></BLOCKQUOTE> YIKES! I think Vincent found that auto-flame-the-*******-bot you mentioned. See? He keeps his flaming weapon on the wall!