Maybe thats the problem with so called "red blooded americans" its called nationalism, and its just as bad as racism, you think that because its not american made its no good. I think the resale values speak for themselves.

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

P.S. I would drive anything if it was given to me! Even a Yugo.

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

This is getting silly. So what if I drive my H2 to the mall! It does just as well off road, also. Go ahead and take your Jap crap over rocks and whatever else that might get you off. I drive one bacause I like it and can afford it. BIG DEAL! All have to say is

GET A LIFE!

I own over 25 vehicle in my company. All American. GM and Ford. Hey, when I was young I had a Four Runner. So what. Before the H2 I had a Tahoe. No comparison! How many vehicle come with over 6 different transmission setting from the factory?

Now excuse me, I have to run to the mall.

One of my friends out east HAD a tundra that he towed his 18' bass boat with UNTIL driving cross country. He said the tundra was all over the place and you constantly knew you were towing something. It was a complete chore for the Toyota. Later in the trip as he approached Boston en route from L.A. a truck jack-knifed in front of him. He totaled the tundra, the trailer and boat had minimal damage. In fact, he never fixed the boat (just bumps and bruises). This year I met him again to fish and he had a new Silverado with 4 wheel steering. He let me tow the boat around and drop it in the water. This was my FIRST attempt at backing up a trailer (into the water for that matter), and I did perfectly a 10.0. Not bad for my first time but I think the 4 wheel steer did most of the work. I know Ford makes good stuff its just more of a friendly rivalry for me since I grew up with GM. Toyota, on the other hand, is inexcusable.

Roy:

Let me try again, since you can't seem to grasp the simple concept:

1. I respect that we live in a free-market economy [even if you're in Canada, but I speak mostly of USA], therefore, I do NOT bash Toyotas or other foreign products. I wouldn't drive a Toyota, but I don't bash them and say they're "junk" or "weak."

2. You're the one coming to a HUMMER web site as a guest. I'm not on your Toyota Kyoto Pride site talking smack - understand the word etiquette?

3. Nice Signature - speaks volumes of how sincere you are in the sense of mature discussion here.

4. Nationalism comes in many shapes and forms and I never said that non-American products are garbage. You've made a loose assumption, like any one that opposes ILLEGAL immigration is racist. I don't buy this logic, as it's a "twist" on absolute reason.

5. If you come here with a positive and contributory attitude, then you'll see that we're nice people here. I don't have a problem with Toyotas or any brand that wants to share a trail or bog. I wouldn't drive a Japanese truck - that's my honest feedback; but at the same time, I'm a Capitalist. Therefore, I don't think sells of Toyota, Nissan, and the like should be altered by any one other than the consumer.

RoyMunson,

The only thing good about your Yoda is the American aftermarket products that probably exceed the total value of your truck anyway. THIS is why it's easier and more cost effective to buy a Hummer. You don't have to modify it to do extreme 4xing, can still carry 6 passengers, still exceeds on-road safety standards and YES, you can actually get groceries too! The H2 does it all while the xtremely modified yodas ONLY off-road. As far as looks go it's always a matter of opinion. I love the look of the H2. When I see a jacked up yoda with bumpers and other panels missing I think of Hummer wannabees. Do your math, buy a Hummer it's cheaper than buying a poorly built yoda and replacing the entire thing with American parts so it can off-road.

Cronus TRD:

You posted the picture of the rolled Hummer, so here's a rolled Toyota. I could push those Toyotas over with two other guys - top-heavy and a narrow track do not make for a good combo.

Oh My god! some people show so much arrogance!
I spent 11 years in the US Army Transportation Corps and spent most of that time (Working) on the Hummers that were assigned to me. Not to nock the grocery getters but to wheel a hummer is like certain repairs to come! My fist hummer problems was when I was stationed in Califonia and hit a small bump leading to a cattle crossing at about 25 mph.... the truck had about 25k miles on it and broke an axel!
I have taken my stock (except for tires) 87 4runner to places that hummers cannot climb ( watched them try) and I know that toyota DID NOT COPY a ford for the tacoma design "SJ" whatever you are smoking, Will you share? as per ford Most parts are currently manufactured by Mazda and mitsubishi.... Huh did you know that? Oh and what did the head of Chevy put out at the beginning of this year? Oh Yeah it was the admitance that the past products have been crap but they promise to do better "oh What a Campagn"!!! now there was a quote about ford assisting Jag in the new productions.... Do you realize since this has happened the customer satisfaction rates have droped lower than ever? and Oh, by the way GM is now majority owner of Volvo and the customer satisfaction has followed Jag's customers but have you noticed that TOYOTA has stayed strong? I have! so Your hummer may be a great family vehicle an it may be a better than normal (stock) than the typical truck. but for offroading all have there strong points but A Toyota with mild mods Vrs a Hummer with mild mods... My money is on the Yota. I personaly would never own another American Truck and I served My USA in the military so you and I could have a different oppinion.

Sorry if it seems long winded but open your minds to other options people!
SJ, I still wana know what you are smoking!
David

Can't we all just get along!?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David in Germany:
... and I know that toyota DID NOT COPY a ford for the tacoma design "SJ" whatever you are smoking, Will you share? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want to insult me and try to analyze my post, then get it right. I said TUNDRA - the 3/4 size Toyota truck. Yes, it is a rip-off of the Ford F-150. The Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle and Toyota copied the design. Look at even the exterior design and it's blatantly obvious.

We're not here to debate IMPORT vs. DOMESTIC; it's an old topic that I'm not going to get into. I'm fully aware of the association with Ford-Mazda; GM-Saab; Ford-Volvo; GM-Isuzu, etc.

It is FORD that owns Volvo, not GM; so once again, you stand corrected!

I'm not going to get involved with immature banter with phrases such as "what are you smoking." You're the guest here and I'd suggest you go to a chat room if you're bored and feel the need to trash talk with other kids.

Enjoy Your Toyota [Japan] and I'll enjoy my Chevrolet [USA] - that's the absolute to this whole topic.

H1s are notorius for trail breakdown and unreliability. H2s (so far) have fared much better. I think it is funny when people compare the H1 or even military Humvee to the H2. Totally different vehicles. When you trolls come to an H2 forum trashing our trucks do you honestly excpect us to be nice? None of you have driven one, so how can you begin to compare? I personally have never taken mine on any hardcore trails, but that is because I don't have anybody to wheel with. I have been on medium trails with it, and it does great. Yes DRTYFN, Brown's camp is a great area. I took the H2 there once, and it did marvelously. Plus you dickheads are comparing a stock H2 to a heavily modified and frankly white trashy looking truck. Go listen to your country music and chew tabacco. If you want to have a real honest level headed discussion then that is fine. Otherwise F-off.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

Blah blah blah.. American, Japanese, whatever, its funny every time someone with a fullsize waste of money pile o crap says something about there vehicle is better they always seem to bring up teh obvois junk...


why dont you morons put up or shut up, you claim yours is better so bring it....

sheesh.. bunch of panty waist pansys here.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
Toyota IS JAPANESE - it is NOT American!!!!! It may be assembled (pieced together) on American soil, but the product you're supporting and the nameplate you're proliferating is still foreign. The ultimate _CONTROL_ and _revenue_ filters back to Japan.

It irks me when people make excuses to buy Japanese and think it's OK because it's "made in America." Bullshyt - it is a foreign product that benefits from lower tariffs and import quotas by assembling on US soil.

Toyota started building cars by taking apart a Chevy and examining it piece-by-piece. Same as the Soviets that copied our F15 fighters to develop their own product [MiG 29]. The Toyota Tundra is a complete rip-off of the Ford F150.

I have a H2 and Chevy truck. Each serves a different purpose, so why do jealous morons feel the need to come here and bash a product that is designed, manufactured, and sold in America using mostly American parts?

What kind of red-blooded American bashes a Hummer and touts a Toyota? Sounds like a sell-out to me. I couldn't drive a Toyota with a clear conscience; knowing I could have supported an American brand, but it's a free-market economy, so I don't bash foreign brands. _My issue is with folks that tout Japanese products while at the same time bashing their very own (Ford, GM)._

My relatives come from Europe and they're utterly shocked at the number of Japanese cars on our roads. They can't fathom that we allow so many foreign products to flood our roads. If so many peope have this attitude that we should buy Japanese and bash our own brands, then I may be the last guy to buy American.

I'm perfectly happy with bull riding, apple pie, and my Chevy truck. You can keep your Toyota, but It's not American - never was and never will be!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why are you sucking me into this? Did I ever use the word BETTER in any of my posts? NO.

I'm defending American products, as I've had excellent success with them. Enjoy your Toyota - Japan Pride All The Way Buddy! Wooo Hooo.

Now go away; we don't need you here, as you're just here to be trolls.

And you just proved my point, all you see is Japan vs the USA, its not black and white, you are right, they all have there good and bad points. And im certainly not trying to offend your country, to me this is not one country against another... but then to me a $50k vehicle is not a good deal any way you look at it. All I have to say is good for you if you actually wheel it. I would actaully like to go wheeling with you, thats no insult, and it would not be to laugh at you, but to see that we are probably both nice people, and to put our differences aside and actually wheel

Cheers

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

Roy:

No, I don't see the issue as purely USA vs. Japan. However, when people come here and are intentionally rude; starting in with negative comments, then I'll defend American products that have served me well.

I hate Toyotas [I actually owned one a long time ago], but I don't go to a Toyota web forum and berate the owners of said products. I respect that each person is afforded their own purchase decisions.

So, the moral of the story is that if a**holes don't come here and start bashing us at our own forum, then we won't be inclined to tell them to f**k off! It's really that simple.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Oh, by the way GM is now majority owner of Volvo and the customer satisfaction has followed Jag's customers but have you noticed that TOYOTA has stayed strong? I have! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, GM just bought Volvo and I thought Ford was the majority owner. Clearly you have been in Germany too long David by not even knowing which American mfg. owns volvo and quite frankly I don't believe your Hummer story either. Your are just part of the yoda gang that has decided to infiltrate our H2 forum. You are also in denial. Toyota DID copy Ford's design because it is the best selling full size pickup (duh). What would you do if you wanted to pick apart a market segment? I suggest you and the rest of the yoda gang head over to the chevy S10 or maybe the new Chevy Colorado forum where the playing field will be level, modify them all you want because I guarantee when the Chevy hits the trail it won't fall apart like this:

Wow, funny how people think the H2 is awhole new rig, when in fact, its far from it...

certified H2 tech.

Roy:

Yep, my son already likes American trucks and he has a Stetson and boots to match. It's not something I expect you to relate to up in Canada. I love your country, but hate Socialism and Chretien, so we can't agree on everything in life.

My family came to this country and I thank God for the opportunity given to me in America. I believe in our products and I take pride in owning them.

When all is said and done - ALL of you Toyota guys need to come here in a whole different tone. None of what you say holds a piss of weight with me if you're going to be an a**hole. That's just how it is - I'm old-school and I don't play grab a** like some of you clowns are doing by coming here and disrespecting hard-working people that earned their right to buy what they want. I have no respect for that sort of person. Keep it respectful and all the best to you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How about you transport 6 people and all their gear on a long road trip? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You forget that we won't be stuck carpooling to pay back the $50k and save on gas. With that money, we'd be driving 2 brand new Tacomas.

Yep, you could buy 2+ Tacomas, 2+ Jeep Wranglers, etc. I'd rather have one vehicle that suits my needs rather than a car lot sitting in front of my house. Two of the same vehicle - boring.

As for gas - business expense. Car pooling to save on the $50K - wrong again. Many of us have worked hard and can afford the $50K or we expense it through a business. Admirable attempt at making a point though!

Nice write-off for my business (around 26k). I even considered buying an H1 and placing company stickers all over it like a billboard. We can use the 100k write-off! Thanks to George there is no tax benefit to buying a light-duty tacoma.

Gas is a business expense like SJ said. It feels good to support jobs in Indiana and my Dad's retirement I am even considering buying my wife an H2 SUT. She currently has a Tahoe but I want something heavier/safer to tote my 2 yr. old around in.

BTW, every time my son sees a hummer he says "Daddy's Truck!" Makes me proud to buy an American made vehicle and pass those values along to my son like my father did me.