With the width of the H2 you guys are worried about a 4" lift????

Anyways with a lift, as Detonate put it, you can add bigger tires(don't know about the affects to the tie-rods) adding a little more width thus cancelling(well improving) the "Wholly **** I going over!" factor.
It would be a factor for guys who load up their Gobi's or the spare tire on top(or 2).

BTW like most companies, GM techs probably know the true "Tipping Threashhold" for the H2 and it ain't 40 deg. My guess more like 50-55. Dan was bang on. Range Rovers are at 40 also, go figure.

4" lift? That's nothing to break a sweat over with the width of our monsters.

4" of extra clearance? Hell I can leave my steps on!

I guess it depends what you drive over. We are all in different parts of the country (a couple in Canada) so we see different terrain. We hit VERY steep slopes out here, in fact, just last week I struggled (and stopped) with my H1 to get up a very loose and very steep slope while out with Steve and a couple other guys. The other guys made it with a little hold the brake and pop the gas manuever I have yet to learn. I would NEVER do this with a lift without wearing a diaper. IT WOULD ROLL. In fact, Steve was talking to me on the radio trying to keep me from sliding to the right in fear that the H1 would roll (that's not easy to do).

You may be right that rock avoidance could cause the need to do the side slope but not out here. We have very deep rutted, steep and incredibly loose dirt and rock that tosses your truck all over the place. It's really nasty stuff and hard to gauge with it being so loose.

A few trips ago Steve attempted this completely ridiculous slope but could not gain enough traction to get up. It was scary to say the least to be at the bottom and watch him slide side to side wondering if his wheel was going to catch and roll. He's a good driver but a little nuts. Don't buy his H2 used

Don't forget the backspacing on aftermarket rims also pushes the tires out, giving the truck a wider stance. I know my H2 is atleast 2 to 3 inches wider than stock.

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

Good thoughts, good thoughts....what I'm hearing is basically that the lift really isn't going to compromise the side-slope stability enough where it'll be a problem.

I'm 100%+ certain that the H2 desperately needs more clearance. You've all heard me bitch before how I've pulled up to a lifted Bronco or other lifted truck....looked eye-to-eye with them (same seat/cabin height).....and yet they have huge clearance under the rig and we just don't!!

I've scraped and dragged my belly over lots of stuff. Being that clearnce is an issue 90% more ofthen the side-slope....it only makes sense to sacrifice a bit more side-slope to gain the clearace. This is the part where I say..."it's all a trade-off".

The only thing I'm also saying, and I think DRTYFN may agree with me.....is that there are instances where it just feels like sacrificing even a shred of side-slope stability would be hazardous!

I've always wanted to perform the ultimate test: putting the H2 on some kind of hinged side-moving table and see just where she'll give. I'd love to perform a test on stock, 2" lift and 4" lift......wouldn't that be fascinating!!!!!

Btw....watch your tire pressure on extreme side-slope: great way to pop a bead!

My own hunch is that a 2" lift with 37's is likely the most I'd go or suggest going.

Another ultimate solution might be to find a way to give ourselves the ultimate in flexibility: I say we borrow a page from the book of "low-riders" and get into some gnarly hydraulics that can raise & lower the rig! Control for all 4 corners!

Imagine...if you had a side-slope to the right....you could lower your left side and fully extend your right side! A computer could maintain & control the thing. Jack it up for rocks, lower it down when needed...etc.

I've only got one other problem...my rig fits into my garage with a mere 1/2" to spare. Any lift or even larger tires leave my girl out in the elements. Course, I could take off the useless racks, but I hate the looks w/o them.

I've been letting mine rot outside since 2 weeks after I got it.

I know I'm probably getting a lift. If not, I'm definately getting a roof rack. Either way my garage won't work.

I'd love a 2" lift on 37" 13.5 with a 4.5 backspaced rim. That would totally kick ass!

However, I'm willing to pony up to the 4"er if I ever get the cash.

You here me RANCHO!!! WE WANT A 2"ER!!!!!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

You may want to shy away from the wheel offset....your gonna put a lot of undue stress on parts that weren't designed for it. Also....you'll start throwing rocks at your body with the tires sticking out like that.

I'd definitely stick with the 2" lift...then do this: torque your front-end up by cranking up the torsion bars, then put a shim under the rear height sensor.....that'll dial ya in for another 1" while moving the front diff up as well.

Still waiting for my buddy's tape with more footage of my H2.

DRTYFN-

Finally read this thread today and saw the pics... (Don't know where I've been...) Anyways, very nice or as White Beast would say VERY NICE... (j/k White Beast) The reason for my post besides stroking your ego is that I saw the Zuki had what appeared to be the new Swamper IROK's. Am I right? And if so, what was your impression of them (I know from your post you love the GY), as well as, the guy who owns the Zuki running them? I'm thinking of putting those on the H2.

Thanks.

-HUMMERDOGG

*NO LONGER A member of the "No Hummer Krew"*

Yeah, you're right, I love my MTRs!! after seeing what they're capable of on the trail they'll be on my rims whenever I go offroad.
My buddy likes the Swampers and he runs them almost completely deflated. But even w/o air they hardly flex, at least in comparison w/ the MTRs. They are a very tough durable tire.

I just got off the phone with my buddy and he said the IROKs are bias-ply and are great for lighter rock crawlers, but are not recommended for heavy vehicles.

What the **** is up with this "HEY LOOK AT ME!!! I RAN THE RUBICON!!@! I'M THE WINNNNNAR!!!11!!! I'M BETTER THAN ALL YOU OTHER PEOPL!!S!!!"



-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

You are soooo close to getting laid out in front of everybody. The only reason I've been civil to you is so I could buy your SMA guard. But you can stick it up your bitter ass, you grumpy prick!!! You're a close-minded ******* that shouldn't be allowed to come into contact with the public, let alone run a website for children.
It seems like everytime you come in here you've got a giant chip on your shoulder.

I'm not selling you my SMA guard anymore. I'm afraid you are just using it to get people to stare at you.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
It seems like everytime you come in here you've got a giant chip on your shoulder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now isn't that the biggest bit of hypocritical **** you've puke out of your cake hole.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
It seems like everytime you come in here you've got a giant chip on your shoulder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now isn't that the biggest bit of hypocritical **** you've puke out of your cake hole.

Don't worry, you and your butt buddy friends don't bother me in the least with your 3rd grade insults. So "lay me out".

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
_Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Detfag,

You are a two faced creepy ****. Go back to that Kiddy P$$n Web site of yours.

I sure when all the members see it, it`ll creep them out too.

I will follow you to the ends ma gay dick sucking friend.

NO MORE TRUCE.

DRTYFN,
Give me a yell next time you come down to run the Rubicon. I would get the time off to run it with you, it would an interesting experience. I do like what pics you have up also. Not many H2s on it overall, so maybe you will start a new trend for the other owners.
After being gone for 3 weeks and getting back that was the 1st thing I was looking for (your pics) after getting bashed by you I had to "see" actual proof....haha
The 1st thing just about everyone does is add more side protection as you found out. Those granite rocks will always get you when you least expect it, same for your undercarriage as you well know now also, and the thing is you cant damage em back as Cranky Steve pointed out. We want to keep it open for everyone.
Super job you did with your H2 there.

5spd,
I think we're going to make another run at it next summer. But you never know, we might get inspired and have to do it sooner.
I'll definitely have a beefed up undercarriage next time. I'm going to start planning how to fortify things under the H2 next week. I'll try to post pics as I go.

It'd be great to get a bunch of guys to go, with all kinds of rigs.

I know RCRC and RPS will be there to join in fo sho!

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

Here is a shot of the wall that is a close call for some vehicles. DRTYFN only had shots after he was out of it, I think even in my truck you can see nothing but a granite wall for 30' or so.DRTYFN I know you had to be alot closer than this more than likely right?

I was within inches. If I would have folded my mirrors out they would have hit the wall. And going up it was dark by the time we got there. The rocks were really dusty and slippery and I hate leaning! Very high puker factor for me. I'm still making dogs bark for miles when I fart.

The pic is deceiving. What is to the driver's right that takes you so close to the wall? Any more pics with the other side in view?

Look at page 2 , pics 3 & 4 of this post. Pic 3 shows the rock ledge that leans you into the wall. Pic 4 gives a better look at the depressions at the bottom of the wall that add to the puckering experience by dropping your nearest tire at the same time your opposite tire is getting boosted upward.
And again, pictures don't do it justice.

Maybe this will help on how it tips you to the drivers side into the wall within inches. See how the boulders are angled and higer up on that side, they just tip you into the wall.

Wow!! It looks like a two lane road with your rig in there. It looks like you've got 2-3' of space. I think I might have had 3-4".
Damn you narrow shouldered rigs!! Now I see how fat chicks feel when they stand next to skinny chicks.

OK, now that's a better pic. The first one was very deceiving and I'm sure the rock on the driver's right is larger than it looks but is dwarfed by the wall on your left. Explain now what is in front of you because that looks like an even bigger obstacle?

OK, Now in front of the truck is a good step, if I recall its about 10" or bigger, and of course its slanted into the wall, its flat across the top but still good enough to tip all vehicles to the drivers side. I dont have a pic from farther back to show it though. I am glad for being thin, but still have enough rock rash from those unseens or "ah crap" I didnt look as close as I should of....hahaha

Drtyfn...
very nice pics!!!!!!!

I would love to go and wheel in the Rubi. I put a dent in my driver’s side door similar to yours. I agree that the H2 could use a beefed up underbody.

I love to wheel a lot and find my underbody taking a beating. I would love to see your new solution.

I take back the unsubstantiated comments I made about you in the other forum.

You are the REAL THING. Maybe we can hook up in the Rubi sometime.

PS I am part of the National Club and have attended these events without any damage.
Kinszlow
Winrock
I have been wheeling my truck for over a year and have not broken a tie-rod but, broke a front diff and a half-shaft. Wish I had pics

Good luck on your next trip.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

R2,
No problem, we're cool. Sorry I jumped the gun on you, too. I was going to PT you, but this is better.

I'm going to be working on a few upgrades for the H2 in the VERY near future. I'll post pics as they're completed.

Also, I just got my buddy's video footage of our trip to the Rubi' so I'll have more stills soon. Plus, I'll finally start putting together a video. I'm just finishing one from a Hummer happening we just had out here. Total Mud-fest!!!

Great!!!! I can't wait to see your pics and movie.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X2

The Wolf Pack stays together.

Hmmmmmm...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>x 4

PEWTER POWER!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh X 5...X 345Nicaraguan

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh X 5...X 345Nicaraguan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And a Mexican.

And divide that by 4 Peruvian.