Love quoting ya.

Don't worry, I am a little bit smarter than that and am not baited very easily. Besides, these are very weak attempts at personal attacks.

No, your advocate is the one that has forgotten the "premise" here. It is his fault and irresponsiblity to be browsing this site in the presense of his god daughter if that is what offends. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>x2

This is NOT a forum for 14 year olds. Girl or boy. In fact, I recall a time when a young person registered and asked questions, and just about everyone here chased the kid away.

Nothing wrong with flaming butt or covered boobies avatar (though not my personal preference) for an ADULT forum.

But you somehow can reconcile your non-ethical pursuits as somehow taking the high-road.

You, calling me a child molester is somehow morally just...... right! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For once, I agree with you.
I have enjoyed learning Hummer info and joking with people on this board. However, the filth that permeates this board is not compatible with the morals I aspire to; although, I often fall short.
I refuse to condone, by silence or otherwise, adults who believe it is OK to show porn to
children. However, that seems to be the majority view here. Therefore, I will have to withdraw from further participation, in any manner.
I will miss many of you; but, I can't reconcile
the filth with my beliefs.

Then, I must say, walc, you're a bona-fide IDIOT.

Inadvertantly showing this forum to kids is hardly equal to "show porn to children".

It's not your morals that's a problem. It's your intellect.

Walcy walcy walcy... You disappoint me my friend. You know you have no right to say the things you have about Paragon. He is more than able to fend for himself however so I will leave it at that.

Personally this whole damn country is a bit too uptight anymore, let alone this one forum. The net is not always a place for children as I'm sure 99% of people with half a brain should know. As far as avatars are concerned I've seen more graphic pictures on TLC at 5pm on a Tuesday.

Forcing a child to look at nudity is wrong, no doubt. There was no nudity and the child was not forced to view it.

If you really think about it a mother or father could be watching tv with a child and flick through channels at almost any given time and come upon graphic material just the same as can happen online anywhere at any given time. In that respect just change the channel or close the web page. **** happens.

The bottom line is...this isn't a family friendly website (and there is no reason for it to be) and one person realized that and mentioned it after noticing "questionable" content in the presence of his god daughter.

Forcing is definately wrong, exposing is also wrong IMO. Again, especially if it's not your child. I don't find it to be my right to deceide wether certain "questionable" content is appropriate for my nephews.

While I have absolutely no problems with this forum, because I apparently am not in the same situation as the original poster (on this particular part of the thread), I do understand where he is coming from. And would not consider this a site for browsing with the nephew. But luckily for me my nephews are only interested in nickjr.com, so I have it easy. :P

Give us a collective break..... if my yawn get's any bigger they'll be giving it a hurricane name.

To show to a child?
It is illegal, in the USA, for an adult to do so. It is child sex abuse. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If the child walks in and just happens to see that picture on your computer screen, you are not "showing" it too them. There is a difference here.

What about the parents having sex and the child walks in on them? That's got to be really bad stuff.

I tried to point out the differences with the above post.

BBWWWWAAAHHHHH!!! Absolutely hilarious!!!!

SSWWWEEEEEETTTTT PPPIIICCCCCCCC

Now your new avatar, that's offen.....I mean spectacular.

Please tell me you're serious this time.

Now your new avatar, that's offen.....I mean spectacular. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> It's only temporary. In honor of this thread and all those people out there that know how to close their browser when young children come around.

As far as I am concerned the "incident" was my fault. I was not thinking with the kid in the room because I was too busy with my own agenda; new wheels and an outrageously over priced ITC light bar. That little episode was a reality check to re-evaluate my priorities. Sure, I hope she did not notice the avitars. I am not worried though. I know kids these days are not totally naive to such things, and she remains a loving child. We had a little tickle fight before she left.

Now I know of many other sites containing other subjects that are full of people enjoying their stuff, whether it be laptops, cameras or motorcycles without the exotic avitars. So making a claim that such a website without such avitars if as "boring as a manual" to me seems more than a little far fetched.

So what was I really trying to say here? Is it okay to willingly show such avitars to kids? I think not, but rather, what sort of self image do I want to portray to others? Should I care if an adult or child misinterprets my character? Call me up tight if you want; call my friends up tight, as was already done; but I suggest that it's only the way you look at things from your perspective; I happen to be looking with a different perspective; what is uptight to you is a good thing to me and others like me. My perspective in a nutshell is this; I happen to care if what I do involves and affects those that matter to me as well as their opinion of me. If caring in such a way is a crime then I am guilty. If my friends and I seem to live in a strange way to you it's Ok. What is more important is that I am happy with our "uptight" way of life. My opinion is if the world were just a little more "uptight" it would be a better place... but that's only my uptight perspective.

Remember NAPA Parts Pups magazine?

It is the belief today that kids can be so easily traumatized but I find it extraordinary how resilient they actually are. I think we adults are the ones offended and hurt over some things much more than the children. I think your dad's perspective was one he was OK with, just as you are OK with it. Those pics were intended for him and those like him. He may have even thought it appropriate to allow you to see them to keep you on the heterosexual path of men. This I suppose was common enough back in the day. I remember my old man remarking over certain women in a sensual way to me. I felt kinda awkward but whatever. I never faulted him for it.

The fact remains that I am not this childs actual father and have no right to allow such things, even inadvertently.

But you somehow can reconcile your non-ethical pursuits as somehow taking the high-road.

You, calling me a child molester is somehow morally just...... right! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For once, I agree with you.
I have enjoyed learning Hummer info and joking with people on this board. However, the filth that permeates this board is not compatible with the morals I aspire to; although, I often fall short.
I refuse to condone, by silence or otherwise, adults who believe it is OK to show porn to
children. However, that seems to be the majority view here. Therefore, I will have to withdraw from further participation, in any manner.
I will miss many of you; but, I can't reconcile
the filth with my beliefs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a fruit.

Here's hoping that the 3rd time is the charm.

By the way, it never fails that the censorship mob always hides behind the banter of the "save the children" theme.

The thought-nazis take the view that other people are not to be trusted with freedom of choice or speech, and that it is their duty to act as moral guardians for society. Their excuse (and that's all it is, an excuse) to impose their lowest common denominator views is that it's only to "save the children." How many time have you heard this sorry ass excuse as a pretense for censorship?

We need to save the children from: (here you get to pick)
1) guns
2) SUVs
3) tobacco
4) fast food
5) evolution
6) violence on TV
7) "The Catcher in the Rye"
8) George Carlin
9) OR WHATEVER THE F*CK OFFENDS YOU

If you want to impose your perspective on the rest of us, at least have the balls to stop hiding behind the moral shield of “I’m just doing it for the children.”

Here’s my perspective: If you don’t like want you see or read...then don’t look at it or don’t read it! And whenever you hear someone say there ought to be something done to “save the children” its time to open your eyes and call bullsh*t.

Hmmm...Never said I didn't like what I read or saw here. Don't know where that came from. I can overlook many things, but my God daughter is a different matter. So in this case I am guilty again; of "doing it for the children" like you said.
Didn't intend to control anyones thoughts on the matter though with a simple observation about kids though.

Sorry if you take me for a thought nazi. That honestly was not my intention. Just trying to fit in. But if you guys just don't want me here I would appreciate some honesty about it. I will understand.

...Oh, I know, this is some sort of initiation test to welcome me to the club. You guys! Awww shucks! I get it now. I can play along. So I guess my role is to stick with you guys for ever and post on every thread until you guys say I passed the test. I read about this on another thread here. You guys are too much! Gosh Darn!

Oh, check out my new avitar. Cool huh?

LETS SEE...

8 PAGES ON ''(NON) '' HUMMER H-3 , OH, I LOVE MY TRUCK OR THEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO MAKE IT BETTER OR THE XXX EXHUST SYSTEM IS GREAT OR DID YOUR MODULE XXX SHOW THIS ON THE DASH...

COME GIRLS & GUYS

8 PAGES OF CRAP !

YES ITS AN OPEN FORUM, BUT A FOR ABOUT THE H-3

JUST MY THOUGHTS...

RYD

Here we go again.

Just for the record-

No female on this forum has ever complained about it's contents.

In fact, I believe we have never had a complaint until the H3 section came along. Not saying that all H3er's are nazis, just an observation that you have many resident cockblocks.

Bill1065, you were supposed to be helping with geometry. If I were the girl or the parents I would think not only are you a complete pervert but neglectful in her quest to help her with homework.

Walc- omg give it a rest.

Most car forums are synonymous in the fact that they have women depicted as objects or conversation. In fact, car enthusiasm has always been synonymous in the fact that they have women depicted as objects or conversation. The calenders, pictures, ads and models alongside beautiful machines is, has been and always will be a part of our culture. Did any of you uptight fellas protest the lingerie bowl at halftime or the cheerleaders at any professional game for that matter?

The internet is a place for access to everything. Think of this forum as access to a garage with a bunch of men standing around- Bill1065, would you bring your god daughter to that garage to help her with her geometry?Really now, either you are looking for an outlet for anger because you were embarrassed or you are delusional. I would say both.

Lastly, I would believe that if you had any need for specific info, your dealer would happily provide you with what you need. If there is something he wasn't familiar with, I'm sure you could drive on down to a parts garage, mechanic, or an audio technical installer, detailer, off-road shop or automotive detailer to help you with any questions you may have. Just make sure your "kind of friends", family and any other god children riding along with you cover their skeletal orifices.

Interesting; the comment about being a pervert; Is that the impression I could give her or her parents for just being on this forum? Really? I guess I need to re-evaluate why I'm here. I think you really hit home this time.

Yah, and your right, but then I admited it was my fault. In point of fact I did help her a lot; without my help she would have had a serious setback. Like I say again, I acknowledge the fact that I will have to be more careful next time... But then, there doesn't have to be a next time now does it? I can surf elsewhere for H3 info.

Not sure where anger and delusion comes in though, I admit I could never have predicted such a remark from someone who has been reading my words up till now.

Hmmm...I think I will stick to forums for real first hand user experience. Dealers and shops tend to charge a lot when I have the capability of either installing the part myself or fabricating one that looks just as good or better.

But seriously, yes, you are quite right, this is not the place for me either. Thanks for making that more clear in a nice way. To the others; no offense intended and have a nice life.

Actually It already has, but Alec, its something I can take if it means having a more dependable and responsible relationship with those I care for.

Again, have a nice life.

Poor pervert likes to type doesn't he?

Hmmm, check out Bill1065's Profile

That is rich!

Nice one, but seeing that I am 55 years old, (as posted on the age thread here?) I hardly think the interest section fits the description:

DH mountain biking, mini bikes, BMX, 4x, dirt jumping...etc

You guys! What a bunch! You are too much for me.

Oh, and again, have a nice life guys.

Oh, but what would your friends and family think!

Too bad you're more concerned with appearances than reality.

Let's see...... it IS the H3 General section.

AND, the original poster is talking about the forum in General. This thread is exactly in tune with the forum and it's location.

Perhaps you compartmentalize everyone you meet and talk to as much as you would like to here. I guess discussion of other topics with people that share the same interest to you is asking a little too much.

Actually to put it as simply as I can I am more concerned with my relationship with my God daughter and her parents. Just because I pick my nose doesn't mean I need to do it in public now do I? Or am I describing someone here? So I feel appearance should mean something if it means keeping those you love (and not ending up in court). Though you may never admit it, I am sure you understand my point.

No, you are paring down your point after being called on the fact that you are worried that your "friends" might not be quite the friends you thought they were. Your passive attempt at condescencion was duly noted and very easy to pick out per your following quote:


Or were you not suggesting that the H3 owners that participate here are somehow below you.

All I said there was true and as usual you continue to read things into what I say that aren't there. Sad you can't even understand my point of view and my sort of friends though I explain it as simply as I can. Being above or below doen't even enter into the picture as far as I am concerned; they have their standards and I respect that. Apparently you just don't get it. Sorry you feel that way but it will not change them or me. However I will confess this; I have seen the error of my ways thru this thread. I would rather not post, But as long as you make groundless inferrences I am obligated to reply. My advise is to ignore me if you are able and your problem (me) will be instantly solved.

Dead cow...