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evldave 03-20-2007 08:23 PM

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ok, since this is the Thread That Won't Die, a question for PCMforless or F5 (or anyone else who wants to chime in on the topic).

For $149, I'm not overly concerned with the price of the new PCM, but I've started getting the dreaded 'rough idle' that seems to be the precursor to the head problem. Any thoughts on whether updating my PCM would exacerbate the problem or cause it to kick off the check engine light sooner?

HummBebe 03-20-2007 10:58 PM

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:twak: :shhh: :o :violin: :clapping: :fdance: :rolleyes: :eek: :yawn:

Demo 03-20-2007 11:14 PM

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The clapping was for me, in case anyone is confuz ed.
You ain't gettin my money till you give me a deal:rant: . I would rather go spend more money on my own programing device and learn how to use it, rather that pay you 50 dollars more than I feel I should:rant: .
I am very Taurus, ask my wife. :yawn:
Probably doesn't bother you, but that's how I roll.:cool:

PS West be on my side, :shhh: ;)

Demo 03-20-2007 11:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by evldave
ok, since this is the Thread That Won't Die, a question for PCMforless or F5 (or anyone else who wants to chime in on the topic).

For $149, I'm not overly concerned with the price of the new PCM, but I've started getting the dreaded 'rough idle' that seems to be the precursor to the head problem. Any thoughts on whether updating my PCM would exacerbate the problem or cause it to kick off the check engine light sooner?


In my un educated guess, I would say DO NOT get the PCM update until your head problem has been fixed. You could loose your programming and have to pay another 50 bucks to get it reprogrammed, plus it would just be silly. :beerchug:

Oh yeah, if I'm not mistaken the PCM is now $199 not $149 unless you are getting a deal then I would be :rant: if I didn't get it too cause in am a :crying: so says west

evldave 03-21-2007 12:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79
In my un educated guess, I would say DO NOT get the PCM update until your head problem has been fixed. You could loose your programming and have to pay another 50 bucks to get it reprogrammed, plus it would just be silly. :beerchug:

Not so sure about that...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Keliente
Or if they overwrite it, just send it back in, cover shipping, and we will reflash it for free.


Shipping charges are cheap (except downtime on the rig :( ) I'm not too concerned about the potential reflash, more concerned if it will have an impact on the engine if there is a head problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79
Oh yeah, if I'm not mistaken the PCM is now $199 not $149 unless you are getting a deal then I would be :rant: if I didn't get it too cause in am a :crying: so says west



No special deal, I didn't realize the price was $199, I'm 99% sure it was $149 some time back. At $199 it's a little harder to swallow, will have to think about it for awhile...

rjmoose 03-21-2007 01:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by westhillsat
I paid full price.

If you can't cough up the regular price :crying: :violin:



Did you pay sticker price for your H3 also? :giggling:

I would rather be a :crying: and have an extra $50 in my pocket!!! :dancingbanana:

I am with all the other cheapskates, I mean, shrewd people on this forum....

Yeaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana: :dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

evldave 03-21-2007 02:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjmoose
Did you pay sticker price for your H3 also? :giggling:



I paid almost sticker, and haven't looked back. Depending on where you are and when you bought your H3, you may or may not have gotten a good deal. I still see used H3s going for way higher than you would expect for any used car.

As for this, $199 is a good price. The chip for my 325i was something like $299, and that was a chip which is way more of a PITA to install. Go get yourself a shark program and it might be $399 or $499. Buy your own programmer and you are looking at roughly the same cost.

I can completely understand people challenging the effectiveness of these programs. It's justified to make sure this isn't modern electronic snakeoil and to look for dyno results and other potential issues. But to whine about the price, even at $199, shows a complete lack of understanding of aftermarket tuning and the costs that go with it. If you don't want to spend $199 (and I'm not sure I do yet, not because it's not a good deal but because I may not have the $$), then please shut up and stop wasting bandwidth on this forum.:fdance: :fdance: :fdance:

rjmoose 03-21-2007 02:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by evldave
...If you don't want to spend $199...then please shut up and stop wasting bandwidth on this forum...:fdance: :fdance: :fdance:


Oh yah, well you're ugly!!!

:dancingbanana:

HummBebe 03-21-2007 02:23 AM

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No he's not:fdance:

rjmoose 03-21-2007 02:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HummBebe
No he's not:fdance:



He MIGHT be

:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

evldave 03-21-2007 02:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HummBebe
No he's not:fdance:

:jump:

westhillsat 03-21-2007 04:28 AM

Re: Great results from PCM for Less tuning . . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79
The clapping was for me, in case anyone is confuz ed.
You ain't gettin my money till you give me a deal:rant: . I would rather go spend more money on my own programing device and learn how to use it, rather that pay you 50 dollars more than I feel I should:rant: .
I am very Taurus, ask my wife.
Probably doesn't bother you, but that's how I roll.:cool:

PS West be on my side, :shhh: ;)



;) :beerchug: It's just after spending over 30K+, plus all the great stuff we add to our beloved H3's I'm like what's another 50 bucks.

I ruv all you gals and guys :grouphug: :jump: this about the only thread I've gotten feisty on :shhh:

p.s. I had to remove one of your images cause they limit the entire message to 10

westhillsat 03-21-2007 04:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79
In my un educated guess, I would say DO NOT get the PCM update until your head problem has been fixed. You could loose your programming and have to pay another 50 bucks to get it reprogrammed, plus it would just be silly. :beerchug:

Oh yeah, if I'm not mistaken the PCM is now $199 not $149 unless you are getting a deal then I would be :rant: if I didn't get it too cause in am a :crying: so says west



X2 on not doing it if a head problem is looming, I'd definately wait.


Demo :shhh: :grouphug:

westhillsat 03-21-2007 04:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjmoose
Did you pay sticker price for your H3 also? :giggling:

I would rather be a :crying: and have an extra $50 in my pocket!!! :dancingbanana:

I am with all the other cheapskates, I mean, shrewd people on this forum....

Yeaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

:dancingbanana::dancingbanana: :dancingbanana:



Actually I got it for a couple hundred over invoice through the COSTCO auto program on the first one from the factory.

And I got the headrest dvd's for $299 installed :fdance: :fdance: :giggling: :jump:

And when I buy other vehicles, I only deal with the fleet department, not a regular salesperson.

Demo 03-21-2007 06:31 AM

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West :grouphug:

I didn't pay full price for my H3, much less.:excited:

That is cool that they will reprogram it for you if it gets flashed by the dealer.:beerchug:

If I didn't know there was a deal on the PCM before, It wouldn't bother me to pay full price, I am just OCD and can't get over it.:giggling:

This thread just won't die. :jump:

Demo 03-21-2007 06:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by evldave
:jump:


he is evil though:iagree:

HummBebe 03-21-2007 06:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjmoose
He MIGHT be

:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:


I've seen him.....good wheeler too:jump:

rjmoose 03-21-2007 06:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HummBebe
I've seen him.....good wheeler too:jump:


Enuff said...you guys win!!! :dancingbanana:

evldave 03-21-2007 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HummBebe
I've seen him.....good wheeler too:jump:


ohmygosh I think I'm gonna cry :crying:

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 06:59 PM

Re: Great results from PCM for Less tuning . . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by evldave
ok, since this is the Thread That Won't Die, a question for PCMforless or F5 (or anyone else who wants to chime in on the topic).

For $149, I'm not overly concerned with the price of the new PCM, but I've started getting the dreaded 'rough idle' that seems to be the precursor to the head problem. Any thoughts on whether updating my PCM would exacerbate the problem or cause it to kick off the check engine light sooner?


If you feel that the rough idle is coming than you should probally check in at the dealer soon. There is some factory "issues" with idle and deceleration tuning where the pedal is closed and the truck run a bit rough. We can clean that up quite a bit (part of our normal tune up)

As far as the price guys. The special we ran was nothing to do with this website or that website. It was an introductary special to promote our new (not new anymore) H3 tuning. I'm sorry that you didn't see the special but being hostile is not going to get anywhere with us. In the meantime we will continue to make happy customers at our normal price of $199 unless we feel the need to run another special.

There have been nothing but satisfied and happy customers coming from us. If you do not feel that extra $50 is worth it than fine do not buy it. Hell the gas mileage improvement alone will pay for the extra $50 in no time.

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 07:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lotus4s
The only problem with that is the people who don't like it do so without firsthand knowledge of the product and/or wanted to wage a war of words over H3 semantics. As far as I've seen, no one who has actually tried PCM for less has had anything negative to say.

So in other words it's a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face....:twak:


Thanks for pointing out who is the ones causing us trouble. It in fact is not our customers.

You are wrong though, there is no spite involved in this. It was a introductary special that ran I think for over 6 months. I'm sorry if you didn't see it or realize it was going on but its over.



Honestly I remeber hearing that a coke and a movie was less than 20cent. Doesn't mean I can still get the same deal!

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 07:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deserth3
I put in my reprogramed PCM Tuesday. Tonight I put in fuel. After 187 miles, I was able to squeeze in 9.6 gallons. You do the math.
Most of this winter I was running between 17.5 and 18.5.

My opinion; Truck runs easier on the highway. Takes off better and shifts cleaner. I'm happy I did it.



Thanks for the feedback. I'm very glad you like it!

Demo 03-21-2007 07:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
Thanks for pointing out who is the ones causing us trouble. It in fact is not our customers.

You are wrong though, there is no spite involved in this. It was a introductary special that ran I think for over 6 months. I'm sorry if you didn't see it or realize it was going on but its over.



Honestly I remeber hearing that a coke and a movie was less than 20cent. Doesn't mean I can still get the same deal!



:lame:

Demo 03-21-2007 07:15 PM

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I think I'll just save my $199.00 and put that towards my V8 H3.

PCM who?

Demo 03-21-2007 07:36 PM

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Seriously, A Anderson if you had offerd me $5.00 off I would have purchased your product. Instead you told me stories about movies costing 20 cents. I wonder how much time/money you wasted doing that? I bet it was around five dollars. Unless your time is worth less/more than that. :giggling:

westhillsat 03-21-2007 08:20 PM

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This thread has been good for everyone's post count ;)

rjmoose 03-21-2007 08:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by westhillsat
This thread has been good for everyone's post count ;)


True Dat...ladies and gentleman:

:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 08:48 PM

Re: Great results from PCM for Less tuning . . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79
I think I'll just save my $199.00 and put that towards my V8 H3.

PCM who?



Good for you ;)

rjmoose 03-21-2007 08:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
Good for you ;)


You really dont help your cause, do you...:dancingbanana:

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 09:00 PM

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Well let me put it this way. I know I have an awesome product and I think its worth what I'm asking for it. I've been in this business for way too long and have too good of a reputation to let some arrogant guy try to bend me over. If he doesn't like my prices than HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY IT. thats the great part of this economic system. He can cast his economic vote by not buying my product.

rjmoose 03-21-2007 09:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
Well let me put it this way. I know I have an awesome product and I think its worth what I'm asking for it. I've been in this business for way too long and have too good of a reputation to let some arrogant guy try to bend me over. If he doesn't like my prices than HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY IT. thats the great part of this economic system. He can cast his economic vote by not buying my product.


I agree 100%, but when can you ever have TOO MUCH business?

If you are so successful that you are selling so many of these that you have to actually TURN DOWN orders (speaking of arrogance...), more power to you.

Somehow I don't think that's the case here. Until we meet again:
:dancingbanana:

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 09:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjmoose
I agree 100%, but when can you ever have TOO MUCH business?

If you are so successful that you are selling so many of these that you have to actually TURN DOWN orders (speaking of arrogance...), more power to you.

Somehow I don't think that's the case here. Until we meet again:
:dancingbanana:



What would you do? Would you bend over for someone trying to take you for a ride. Its flat out disrespectful what he and others are doing here.

It would have been a completely different story had he come and ask me if we can do a special, group buy, or whatever. Instead he demanded I offer the same price as I did when we where doing our introductory special. No I don't think we will make special arrangements for anyone who doesn't have the courtesy to ask us politely.

I can always use more business however I’m not going out of my way to do business with people like that.

rjmoose 03-21-2007 09:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
What would you do? Would you bend over for someone trying to take you for a ride. Its flat out disrespectful what he and others are doing here.

It would have been a completely different story had he come and ask me if we can do a special, group buy, or whatever. Instead he demanded I offer the same price as I did when we where doing our introductary special.



Stop taking it so personal. If you have been in business for as long as you claim you have, you know you have to have a thick skin. Quit being the victim.

If you don't like what's being said on this forum (justified or unjustified), then stop reading the thread and/or stop posting. Remember that you were the one who said we all make choices and if he doesn't want to buy your product he doesn't have to. Well, no one is putting a gun to your head posting here.

Personally, if it were me, I would offer the lower/introductory price for say 30 days. Then you can see who is just running their mouth and who is really serious about purchasing your product.

The naysayers will either "put up or shut up". It sounds to me like a win-win situation. Your business isn't going to suffer to the point of bankruptcy if do what I suggested. If it is, then your company must be in pretty bad financial shape.

Let's say 50 people order the PCM for the lower price (which is a LOT of people). You mean to tell me that you still aren't going to be making money AND growing your revenue AND at the same gaining CUSTOMER GOODWILL?

Sometimes you gotta think outside the box man.....until then:

:dancingbanana:

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 09:29 PM

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Sorry, I will not do a sale here.

rjmoose 03-21-2007 09:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
Sorry, I will not do a sale here.


Well then, in my humble opinion...you are fool. Stop your whiny posts.

Meanwhile:


:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

A.Anderson 03-21-2007 09:39 PM

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If you where wondering why, you just answered your own question ;)

rjmoose 03-21-2007 09:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
If you where wondering why, you just answered your own question ;)


If you are talking to me, I didn't answer anything. What was the question?

rjmoose 03-21-2007 10:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Anderson
If you where wondering why, you just answered your own question ;)


Still waiting Mr. Big Business Man Smarty Pants Banana Hater Pumpkin Eater:

:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

Demo 03-22-2007 03:52 AM

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Hey Mr. Anderson, I PMed and I called, talked to your lilttle miss. I asked very nicely. Then when someone mentioned it, I gave my opinion. No one asked you to give yours. We just asked about a discount, we don't want to hear your junk. I was still thinking about getting your product, even after busting your balls. Not now, you can GFY. Funny thing about the internet is, you NEVER know who your fu cking with.:fdance: (unless you're DRTY)

Like I said, not many people on this forum will even remember what PCM for less is after September. I hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes biatch.:fdance::mad:

Don't bother responding to me, I am done with this thread, I have no need for your junk. If you have anything else to say to me feel free to call, you seem to have plenty of time to waste. (928)580-6516

HummBebe 03-22-2007 04:18 AM

Re: Great results from PCM for Less tuning . . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79
I think I'll just save my $199.00 and put that towards my V8 H3.

PCM who?



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