I just purchased a winch for a great deal(as far as I've seen) and wanted to share with everyone else that might be looking.
I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at hte factory. The source is gowarn the part # is WAR32963. This is a brand new option and may not be up on the site yet. If you go to the winch mounting options page select, HummerH2 this page displays a different contact phone # which seems to work better. Call them for ordering this set up and they can set you up with anything else you'll need

I just purchased a winch for a great deal(as far as I've seen) and wanted to share with everyone else that might be looking.
I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at hte factory. The source is gowarn the part # is WAR32963. This is a brand new option and may not be up on the site yet. If you go to the winch mounting options page select, HummerH2 this page displays a different contact phone # which seems to work better. Call them for ordering this set up and they can set you up with anything else you'll need

Hmmm, that part number seems to be for the KIT,CABLE,W/ INTRPT,175A - $109.95

http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR32963

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Peter ran off to hockey so-

Sorry for any mixup (he probably just grabbed the number for the kit instead of the winch as we ordered the kit as well)! Minor technical glitch there -- but we did order the 9.5 w/ Multi-mount for $957.00 from Go Warn.

Ok. So winch + mount = 957.00 and the Kit, Cable thing was a seperate 109.95???

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Sorry about that .
The correct part # for the 9.5ti, multi mount combo is WAR65735. Additional items I got where the accessory kit and the 20' cables to wire to the back.
-peter

Much better.

Direct link to order online:
http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR65735

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

BKLYNH2:

Thanks for the news; I'm glad to see prices are falling. I've had my eyes on the 9.5ti for a while.

Let us know how the install goes. I've seen a few folks on this site with the system and they all seem to really like it.

How much cheaper is the 9000 lbs winch?

I was reading in the manual where it says that pulling over 9000 lbs will bend the H2 frame. In my mind that means, get the cheaper winch, it'll do the same job, and not bend your frame.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm also cheap.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

There are a few recent threads on winches which should answer your questions. It seems to me that you are almost as likely to screw your H2 up with the 9000 as you are with the 9500. My rationale for the ti is that it provides you with feedback on the heat of the motor while in use. Motor heat will give you an indication of how hard you are working the winch which is related to the force you are applying. More importantly it should prevent you from burning out the motor on the winch. I am not an expert in winches(nor do I play one on TV), I have however burned out many electrical motors, similiar to winch motors, on other machinery. I would rather pay $100 or so more now, to protect myself from turning my $800+ investment into garbage because I overworked it.
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I was the "price person" since I have more time to troll the net looking for prices. About two or three weeks ago, the lowest price I found for the 90000 w/ multi-mount was about $890.00 w/ free ship. That's not much of a difference for some insurance that you won't burn 'er out.

Can't help with the bent frame question, but in my pea-size winch-inexperienced brain, I can't see how 500lbs extra will make that much of a difference. I think they probably were more concerned with say, a 12,000 lb'er.

Detonate:

I recall the post you speak of. The H2 owner was using a Warn 8000 to extract a tree stump when the REAR receiver was bent.

I've removed tree stumps on our family farm, but we used a tractor in low gear and chains attached directly to the frame hook.

I personally wouldn't use a winch for anything other than pulling my vehicle out of a stuck situation or rescuing another vehicle. Trying to move truly immobile objects can damage your pocket book real fast (e.g. damage to frame, Transfer Case, Tranny). If you intend on adhering to this same practice, then you'll be fine with a 9.5ti.

Detonate:

Also, here is a good article on using Snatch Blocks properly. I read a post here where some one mistakenly thought that snatch blocks added effort/force to the winch point. The opposite is true, thus the whole reason for using one or more snatch blocks to lessen force or change direction when winching.

Australian off-road site:

http://geocities.com/RainForest/3648/4wd_winching.htm

SJ you are exactly 100% correct! The snatch points lessons the power/force while geometricly increasing the leverage. They are considered fulcrum points and nothing more!

I have the 9.5 TI and love it. I got the winch, mount, cover and recovery kit for 1283 including shipping. Just beware you will have to drill a hole in the multi mount and purchase a lock pin. I bought a pin from BULLY that slips in from the underside and locks. It works great. I bought my winch from www.clemson4wheel.com

Doug
2003 Metalic Red H2
Adventure Series. w/navigation/Sat Radio/Winch

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at the factory. The source is GoWarn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good luck Peter! I mean better luck than me...

I ordered the 9.5ti multi-mount on April 25th. Paid $150.76 more than you. Oh, did they tell you that the shipping was free? My free shipping from them only cost me $44.86.

When I got the brand new winch, it came in pieces and had to be put together. The FIRST problem was that the 28" cable that was supposed to go from the winch to the front quick release was NOT sent. After contacting GoWarn.com by email (they suggest using email for fastest service) and NOT getting any reply I contacted Warn Corporation and spoke with a representative named Mike McEwen. He informed me that gowarn.com was NOT an authorized dealer. He repeated it when I asked him if he was sure. Said they had heard of them but that they were not authorized dealers. Go figure? Any ways, Mr. McEwen went on to explain to me that it was just as well the short cable was not included because if I had taken the winch apart to install the cable it would have damaged the newly designed seals which are a main feature of this new winch. He said that Warn makes a special KIT for people desiring the 9.5ti with the multi-mount. He suggested that since I had bought the winch from gowarn, a non-authorized dealer, I should contact them to see what I could do about my problem. He was sympathetic, but...

So, I called gowarn and spoke to Angela. She said that they were authorized dealers. She didn't know why Warn would say they were not. She said she was sorry that I had been charged shipping and would issue a credit to my charge card. She said she would also talk to her supervisor and explain my problems. She said someone would be getting back in touch with me.

I decided, on my own, to go ahead and drive 120 miles round-trip to the nearest dealer and buy the quick-disconnect plugs for the winch and instead of opening the winch up, just shorten the 6-foot long battery cables on the new winch. The plugs cost over $35.00 plus my time and gasoline at appx. 11 mpg.

The NEXT problem popped up when I hooked the winch up via the newly installed quick-disconnect plugs. It unreeled but would not reel the winch line back in. I called and talked to Angela again. I told her that I thought that the remote control was bad. The switch worked when flipping it up, but not when you flipped it down. She said that she would check into it immediately and get back with me. I indicated that I was getting quite upset. She said she would take care of everything!

After waiting two days, I called back. Angela acted like she had forgotten to do anything and was a "little" embarrassed... She said she would have her supervisor call me right back.

The NEXT problem popped up when Mr. Michael Weisberger called me back. He told me that the problem was not with the remote control but that I had "blown out the solenoids on the winch". I told him that I had never even used the winch and that it had failed the very first time I tested it. He asked me what I wanted him to do about it. I told him. We exchanged several "heated" comments at which time he said that there was really just no reason why he should bother to help me on a sale that he made maybe at most, $50 on. This is the winch I had just paid $1262.71 for... When I mentioned contacting my credit card company and contesting the charge he said he would contact the police and have me arrested for fraud! When I stopped laughing, I told him that I wouldn't take up any more of his valuable time and was ready to hang up when he said that maybe he could help me after all. He said he would call me right back.

The NEXT problem was when he called back and told me that I was going to have to take the winch back to the dealer in Tampa and have the winch repaired. Another 120 mile trip. The "good news" was that it would be covered under the 90-day warranty! Whoopee.

The winch has been in the repair shop for three days now and I am waiting to hear from the service department.

Oh, by the way, you only need the 20-foot rear cable assembly not the 24-footer. I trimmed about six feet off from the 24-foot rear cable assembly that gowarn sent to me. It "only" costs about $10 extra for the longer cable, but why buy it?

I just did check my credit card and they issued a $45 credit from the $89.86 they charged me for the FREE shipping.

Like I said, good luck...

Ed

Yikes!
I've got my fingers crossed. I hope they learned a thing or two from the poor service they provided you. I did get the 20' cable since I had read the post (I think it was yours) earlier that 20 was enough. Also the issue with the front wiring connection was mentioned. What I was told I was getting, sounds more like the set up that Warn described to you. Maybe Warn, hearing about your complaint staightened them out. I'm very sorry to here about your problem, and will definitely let everyone know how this works out.
Peter

In my experience, all companies occassionally have isolated problems where things go totally wacky. But, I think that when the GoWarn.com "supervisor" stated that they were only making fifty bucks and couldn't be worried with my problem is indicative of a more insidious attitude.

The fact that you will be getting the properly configured 9.5ti winch should make a LOT of difference...

I really hope that your transaction goes as it should --- smoothly and with no problems at all.

That this internet company didn't just send me a replacement at no charge is regrettable. I'm afraid it is the price I will pay for trying to get a good deal... At this point, I can honestly say that I do not feel like I have been dealt with fairly or equitably. Maybe it's just me?

Ed

Ok the winch and stuff arrived today. It was NOT as described. Everything is seperate not premounted on the multimount and not with the quick connect already attached. I called GO warn as expected I got a recording. Personally I don't care about mounting it. I am concerned about removing the power leads (red in particular) and therfore messing up the seal. Can anyone tell me if this is something to be concerned about?
Anyway I apologize for posting this thread as a good deal when it apparently is not without its far share of aggrevation.
Peter-

Hope you get it straightened out!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"Ok the winch and stuff arrived today. It was _NOT_ as described. Everything is seperate not premounted on the multimount and not with the quick connect already attached. I called GO warn as expected I got a recording. Personally I don't care about mounting it. I am concerned about removing the power leads (red in particular) and therfore messing up the seal. Can anyone tell me if this is something to be concerned about?
Anyway I apologize for posting this thread as a good deal when it apparently is not without its far share of aggrevation.
Peter-"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Peter, I should have posted my experiences earlier? Maybe we have the beginnings of a class action lawsuit?

Do NOT disassemble the Warn 9.5ti as instructed by the paperwork you received from gowarn... Call Mike McEwen (or probably ANYONE else) at Warn Corporation and he will set you straight about how the winch will be seriously damaged if you do attempt this. From what he told me, this winch is a brand new and IMPROVED design which involves new seals that vastly improve the protection of the winch's components and disassembly by non-trained persons WILL definitely damage these seals.

I will not advise you on what to do, but I can say that I wish that I had simply contacted my credit card company upon receipt of the shipment from GoWarn. They failed to ship me the item I ordered and as far as I am concerned, notwithstanding ANY statements on their website, they should not ONLY pay for the return shipping charges --- but should compensate me for their failure to complete the order as agreed.

I have in the past refused shipments, and had the company send a pick-up order for the faulty/incorrect products. In which case, I simply repacked the items and set them out for the UPS driver.

In my case, I have already modified the winch, something you "might" want to do? I bought the quick-disconnect plugs (cost about $35) and cut the two battery leads that were attached to the winch and then crimped on the plug. Very simple to do if you have the proper tools. Plus to red, negative to black... Fool proof even for me. The price you paid is even lower that the price I paid, so if you MIGHT decide to just keep it?

Of course, you might also discover that your winch is defective? Maybe you too have "blown the solenoids"? Although, I would "guess" that would be carrying the law of probabilities awfully far? I'd bet yours is fine... Wanna bet?

I think that once I get the winch back and it is operational, I will attempt, one last time, to reach a mutually agreeable compromise on this matter with GoWarn. I do NOT have any illusions that such will be possible, given their previous attitudes, and if need be, I will be contacting my credit card company and contesting the charge. At that point, maybe a third-party will be able to arbitrate and work out a fair arrangement?

I just talked to the repir shop in Tampa, and the serviceman told me that a wire inside the winch had gotten pinched during assembly and that he had repaired it by splicing the wire. He said that to "correctly" repiar it, he could order a new wiring harness which might take a couple of weeks to get in. More problems...

Sorry again that you found out the hardway about this company...

Ed

Does anyone have the "WINCH BUMPER" ??

"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 11/03/02 - #1 H2 SITE"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hummer Man:
"Does anyone have the "WINCH BUMPER" ??"
"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 11/03/02 - #1 H2 SITE"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By "WINCH BUMPER", do you mean a sharp, uncomfortable pain in the ass attributed to buying a defective winch from a disreputable company? If so, then yes, I certainly do have one...

"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 04/18/03 - #1 H2 SITE"

I have not heard from gowarn yet. I called twice yesterday and emailed today. What kind of wack company tells you to handle customer service problems through email? I will definitely use that as a big old flag for all future internet purchases.
Good Hummerman, thanks for relaying your experience, you could not have known in advance that I would have bought from this guy, and they appear to be quite legit. Their is definitely truth to the saying "If it looks to good to be true, it probably is." I also have learned that I should complete a transaction first before recommending anything here at the site. The agonizing thing is that I had seen cheap deals on Ebay that I stayed away from because I was afraid of getting screwed. In the end I probably would have more security through ebay, or at least better dispute resolution.(this plug was unsolicited, and I am not an employee of ebay)
That being said, I may not be that screwed. The first question is, if I could get this guy to take the winch back, and send the right one, should I trust them? They may take the winch, open it up and attach the quick connect themselves thereby ruining the seals. I probably wouldn't discover this until it was too late. I could take care of this myself. After all I did get this for a very good price, it might be worthwhile to just get it done. Right now everything is still in the opened boxes. If I can get an exchange I don't want to jeopardize that possibility. So until I here from them it stays there. If after speaking to them it seems like I should just install myself, I will first connect the winch to the battery with the existing wires to check that it works. If I pass that hurdle then we should be able to alter it as you have said.
I would like to hear from more people who have the 9.5 installed because I think the quick connect pre-attached is a new option and some may have had to do this themselves too. I am a little puzzled by Warn stating the housing should not be opened to attach the quick connect. I have looked at the exploded diagram in the owner's manual, and it obviously comes apart. Any authorized service dealer to repair it would also have to open it. If you shine a flashlight towards the housing where the red wire disappears it does not seem like it goes through a waterproof sleeve. Once inside the diagram shows a simple bolted connection for the red lead as well. Does Warn think we can't figure out how to put the parts back?
I don't mean to go on and on about this(especially when you have posted a perfectly acceptable work around), but being somewhat mechanically inclined, I believe that anything that is assembled can be disassembled and reassembled at will. As long as it is done carefully. I had a similar problem with Apple. I got an Ipod, it got sand in it and didn't work, the apple service gurus in all NYC told me I now owned a $400 paperweight. I said no way started to take apart on my own, when I got stuck on how a part should be removed properly I searched the internet and viola, found out how to dissasemble the ipod. One that was done I cleaned it all out and it is still working more than a year since. So the moral of the story is that it can be done, but does any one know how?

Finally Hummer Man (not Good) what is the point of your post. I try not to be overly critical of your prescence, like some, but this time I can't help but question. Did your comment have anything to do with this thread? I would be happy to apologize if I'm wrong, but if I'm not why don't you go play with Andkon, somewhere else!
Peter

BKLYNH2

Quit apologizing for posting about this being a good deal until you found out. That's the great thing about this message board. I saw your post, but if I was going to buy the same winch as you, I would have waited to get your results after you installed it.

So, what you have done is save many other forum members from making the same mistake.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
I would be happy to apologize if I'm wrong, but if I'm not why don't you go play with Andkon, somewhere else!
Peter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Excellent, dissent stirred among the masses.]

He was joking andkon. Please go back to your thread or I will send you to bed without dinner. That was a joke, too. Only the latter part, though. Seriously, I would pay heed to Alec's earlier advice to you about staying on your thread unless you want to be squelched.

On the winch front, the winch appears to work, both reeling in and out, and when they called back they acknowledged they sent the wrong one, and had sent the kit to make it a QuickConnect along with the winch (Peter didn't open everything b/c he thought he was sending it back). They offered to walk Peter through the process of adding the QC. So, things have improved. They did seem responsive once they called back, but it's more than a bit nerve-wracking when it doesn't seem like they'll get back to you and you have the wrong winch in hand. We'll let you know how things go on the install and a after a true tryout.

They told us the QC 9.5 will not be out for a few weeks which we have yet to verify elsewhere.

[This message was edited by bklynh2srock on 05-20-03 at 07:07 PM.]

Any updates on this?
I'm interested in getting a multimount 9.5ti as well and am looking for a nice price like gowarn offers.

What all do you need to order?

Trying to learn, thanks.
-Skulz

I just purchased the winch from GOWARN a week ago.
Fast 2 day delivery, no problems and very helpful.
Winch exceeeded my expectations!

H2Girl,

Did the reciever have the vertical mounting pin whole predrilled or did you have to do this yourself? Also, did this come with the wiring for the front mount or was that extra also?

Thanks,
David
Black H2

Skulz you are going to need that winch, for when we pull you out..

Rover owner, with light envy...

BKLYNH2
I think we all went through the same thing.

I ordered the 9.5ti with multi-mount through 4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers. I also received the the unit with the 6 foot battery cables attached, but I also received the shorter cables with the quick-connect end. So I thought oh no big deal, I will just switch the cables. Holy S#*t, It took me about 5 minutes to take the unit apart and switch the cables, but an hour and a half to get it back together again. During reassembally I started to worry about not being able to get it back together. The spool in the middle of the two cases has a spindle on each end. There are numerous gears on each end of the spindles. In short all the gears have to line up just right before a spindle on one end will drop in. After one end is in, you have to get the other end in and guess what? Once you get the other end in, the first end comes out. After attempting this many times the stars lined up and both ends lined up and the cases when together. What a relief. The winch works perfectly. I have used the winch to pull my H2 out of a high center situation in sand.

The seals didn't seam to be any big deal. They were just O-Rings seated in grease, one at each end. One did fall out of it's race though after I had gotten the spindle on that end in, so I had to take it back apart to put the O-Ring back on.

The Multi-mount was also a pain, but I think I may have caused that problem. When I drilled the vertical hole in the MM, I pushed the MM all the way into the receiver to mark the location of the hole. After I drilled the hole, the lock pin was tight. If I had pulled the MM out a small amount before marking the hole location, I would them have been able to wiggle the MM and locking pin around. I solved the problem by taking the bumper off and enlarging the hole that the locking pin goes through with a rotatory tool. I then primed and painted the bare metal. The locking pin now drops in easily.

Without a doubt, this is one of the worst companies I have ever dealt with. All I can say is that if you deal with them, after reading this thread, you deserve everything you get.

Maybe you will be lucky? Hopefully so. Apparently H2Girl was lucky???

The pricing is exceptional. But, when I called and talked to the head man at gowarn, he informed me in no uncertain terms that that they really couldn't care less about any of my "problems" with 9.5 Warn winch because they only made a profit of about $50 on it. Quoting: "What do you expect from us? We only make 50 bucks on the deal!"

Maybe this type of attitude is acceptable to you, if so, by all means jump right in and order it from them. Warn Inc. told me after I bought the winch that www.gowarn.com (aka internet pioneering) is not an authorized WARN dealer. All I know is that they did NOTHING to help me. They were rude, didn't return calls as promised and basically didn't care that the winch they shipped to me was not functional or complete. They even charged me for "free" shipping... After a lot of effort on my part (several trips to the nearest authorized dealer) I finally have a winch that does function. No thanks at all to gowarn though!

Call the folks at Warn Inc. and ask them about the 9.5ti winch, and this unauthorized dealer. Then figure out how much horrible service is worth and then decide whether or not you feel lucky.

I hope that H2Daddy never finds out that he has voided his warranty by taking his winch apart... Of course, with any "luck" the 90-day warranty will never be needed?

Ed

When I had called GOWARN to place my order, I questioned them on the problems previously mentioned by other members of this board. They admitted to having some complications with the quick disconnect in some of the first shipped units but assured me that that has been addessed and taken care of. Since they had a supplier in NY, It took only 2 days to arrive to me. Everything was as described and shipping was free as there promotion stated on the website. The multimount did not come predrilled for the vertical mounting pin but that's really easy to drill out as long as you have a 1/2" drill and a 5/8th steel bit. To make it easier, use the rear hitch and place the multimount in sideways and use the hitch holes as guides. I also drilled about 1 1/2" back from the original horizontal holes so that the winch fits closer to the front hitch.
Cincih2: The winch came with everything needed to wire it to the front and the only things I purchased extra was the roller fairlead and 20'extention so I could use the winch in the rear hitch.

Send it back and Go Ramsey!

I'm confused. There is a "red letter" Warn dealer in my area that will do the installation and everything. However, they say that the multimount for the 9.5ti isn't even out yet (July 3 or so). Their price is 1199 for the winch & mount, 155 for the wiring to the rear, and labor is additional.

Obviously I'm now very confused and have no idea what any of you really got with your order. I think my brain is having a melt down.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>WARN Red Letter Dealers are an elite group of WARN authorized retail outlets that help provide consumers with the highest level of WARN brand product information, availability and service. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Skulz,
Tell your dealer to get with the program. The 9.5 Ti has been out. Here's the link for you priced at $957 for the winch and multimount and $109.95 for the 20' wiring for the rearhttp://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR65735
http://www.gowarn.com/electrical.htm

Sorry, here's the link for the winch :
http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR65735

H2Girl, thanks for the link. I'll bring it up with the dealer.

Still, the lady said they weren't out from warn yet. I'm going by their shop later this afternoon to check let them see the H2 to get a feel for installation.