Anyone try/own a Kahr P45 yet? Local shops don't have one in yet for me to try. Any opinions on this particular weapon welcome.

-*-*- NO GLOCK VS THIS VS THAT CRAP, PLEASE! -*-*-

Anyone try/own a Kahr P45 yet? Local shops don't have one in yet for me to try. Any opinions on this particular weapon welcome.

-*-*- NO GLOCK VS THIS VS THAT CRAP, PLEASE! -*-*-

Never shot a Kahr. Seems a little pricey for what you get. They're always around 7-800 bucks. And A 6 round mag...? Are you looking to conceal? Home defense? Are you LEO?

I think, in a .45 you can't beat a Sig P220. They're the easiest to shoot .45 you'll ever try and they're 100% reliable.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
Never shot a Kahr. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Seems a little pricey for what you get. They're always around 7-800 bucks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I tend not to price handguns maximizing ounce/dollar. Besides 600+tax here.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And A 6 round mag...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I want small, it's a .45. What do you expect?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are you looking to conceal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes! It's a Kahr compact. People tend to buy these to conceal or toss in a drawer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Home defense? Are you LEO? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What does this matter?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think, in a .45 you can't beat a Sig P220. They're the easiest to shoot .45 you'll ever try and they're 100% reliable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No offense, but I didn't title this topic "Suggestions for best all around .45" I may happen to already have other guns for other purposes

I'm simply interested in a Kahr P45 for it's size, reliability, and simplicity. I've definitely done my research elsewhere. Remember this is a Hummer forum, not a gun forum. And I'm just checking to see, now that this gun's been out for a little while, if anyone here happens to have used one and has some initial impressions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Any opinions on this particular weapon welcome.

-*-*- NO GLOCK VS THIS VS THAT CRAP, PLEASE! -*-*- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
I think, in a .45 you can't beat a Sig P220. They're the easiest to shoot .45 you'll ever try and they're 100% reliable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone has reading comprehension problems. I wonder if he made it all the way through Elementary School.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
ree, sorry I hijacked your thread but troll hunting is a serious business and knows no bounds </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No problem. It needs to be done And if other's will do it, great

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Considered several Kahr's, including the P45, but they just never felt right in my hands and something about them always put me off. FWIW I rarely (if ever) see anyone shooting them in IDPA etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've never been to an IDPA match so maybe you can answer me this. I know the equipment is supposed to be real, practical stuff like you actually carry. But do you think that those who are likely to compete IDPA are also more likely to "go a little further" when it comes to they're carry equipment than your average CCW individual and carry bigger stuff? Also, if you're shooting IDPA, aren't you going to want a 4" barrel or more to enhance accuracy?

I'm really looking for something so conveniently small and light, I'm not going to no bring it along because it's too heavy or big.

I still need to get my hands on one. I've bought handguns before sight-unseen and not had the best luck with hand fit. I'm wary about this one being too small...I feel comfortable somewhere between a 1911 single stack and any double stack.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ree:
I've never been to an IDPA match so maybe you can answer me this. I know the equipment is supposed to be real, practical stuff like you actually carry. But do you think that those who are likely to compete IDPA are also more likely to "go a little further" when it comes to they're carry equipment than your average CCW individual and carry bigger stuff? Also, if you're shooting IDPA, aren't you going to want a 4" barrel or more to enhance accuracy?

I'm really looking for something so conveniently small and light, I'm not going to no bring it along because it's too heavy or big.

I still need to get my hands on one. I've bought handguns before sight-unseen and not had the best luck with hand fit. I'm wary about this one being too small...I feel comfortable somewhere between a 1911 single stack and any double stack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've never shot IDPA either. But I've followed it and have friends whom compete in it, I'M NOT CLAIMING EXPERTISE HERE, but maybe I can give you a feel for what they do at IDPA. Yes, generally what people seem to shoot is what they carry, and a lot of them are professional operators. FBI HRT, SWAT and others compete in it and they all shoot 5" (nowllins usually) barrel 1911s, nothing less. I believe A 1911 has won all but 1 time. A sig P220 won ONCE. It was a back up because his 1911 broke. Military folk tend to compete in the El Presidente, its more like combat drills than target shooting.

My compact .45 is a UC Springfield (3.5" bull type barrle). 7 round mags. I understand what you mean by fit of hand, and my hands are med-small. So a 1911 is generally the only thing that fits well for me.

I personally don't like light weight .45s with short barrels. They're too difficult to control when shooting rapidly for my taste (insane muzzle flip) and I bet the Kahr (being a polymer frame) wouldn't be my first choice. Maybe you're a better shooter with a bigger hand? That might make the Kahr a good choice for you then, but still consider my point.

I like the UC springer in the pic below because its got heft to it (forged stainless frame not alloy LW). The felt recoil is managable due to its extra weight I think. These are easy to conceal because they're thiner than most polymer guns too. Holsters are easy to find for a 1911 as well. For a CCW application, you'll love to carry a small 1911. The biggest down side is that they're not very accurate with +P ammo. This gun generally only likes plain ol' 230 FMJ. Most 1911s will tend to shoot low with that grain load. A good shooter will know that and adjust their sight picture accordingly. I hope some of this helps. Post up a pic of whatever you decide on! If you do go with the Kahr, let us know what you think of it! Most of the people I shoot with only shoot 1911s and HKs, so a little feedback on Kahrs would be great.

To be helpful with your quest for finding someone whom has shot a Kahr, may I suggest two possible places.

http://www.1911forum.com

or better yet

http://www.glocktalk.com (has forums for all kinds of other non-glock guns with very active forums.)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
To be helpful with your quest for finding someone whom has shot a Kahr, may I suggest two possible places.

http://www.1911forum.com

or better yet

http://www.glocktalk.com (has forums for all kinds of other non-glock guns with very active forums.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's like telling someone to go to a Jeep forum to info on a H2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm unaware of any Kahr specific forums. Just thought this would be helpful... doesn't seem like anyone here has shot a Kahr before?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I believe A 1911 has won all but 1 time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>In IDPA you compete in divisions, 1911's basically have their own division, CDP. Glocks tend to shoot SSP or ESP and you won't find a 1911 competing in SSP, nor will find a Glock competing in CDP. There is no "overall" winner in IDPA matches. So a Glock will likely win in SSP and a 1911 will nearly always win in CDP.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, not an expert, never competed. I was thiking only of CDP though. Sorry for the confusion.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
To be helpful with your quest for finding someone whom has shot a Kahr, may I suggest two possible places.

http://www.1911forum.com

or better yet

http://www.glocktalk.com (has forums for all kinds of other non-glock guns with very active forums.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's like telling someone to go to a Jeep forum to info on a H2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm unaware of any Kahr specific forums. Just thought this would be helpful... doesn't seem like anyone here has shot a Kahr before? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Operator 23 going on 24,
For future reference, you might want to consider these generic shooting fora:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> The Firing Line
<LI> The High Road[/list]

Seen those around. Nice sites. Thanks for the heads up.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
Again, not an expert, never competed. I was thiking only of CDP though. Sorry for the confusion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Although you can shoot a few other pistols in CDP, 1911's tend to dominate it and it is rare to see any other type of pistol win in CDP. Likewise for SSP, Glocks dominate in that division. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for being civil PhilD. Also, thanks for the info! I've never had the personal interest to compete, yet, but am still a novice. Still finding what I like to shoot. I do like to share what I've found so far as I feel I approach it methodically. I'd have to work in a professional post of some kind and hold professional training before I'd personally consider comps though. For the time being, I'm happy to shoot with people who do compete in these. I find they're the best folk to learn from. They approach it methodically too. Have you competed before?

I was going to say more, but instead, I think its time I jet. Enjoy the shooting, wheeling and Hummers! I've got other things to do.

Good Luck PhilD with the comps, I see only x-ring shots in 06!

ree: Happy gun shopping.

Sorry for the cross post but I'm excited about this thing!

Here's what I chose. I did some basic research but the HK just felt the best in my hand.

(The salesman told me Homeland Security just selected this gun for all its uses)

HK P2000 .40Cal

My last purchase was a toy!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Longhorn:
(The salesman told me Homeland Security just selected this gun for all its uses)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HK and Sigarms were each awarded a similar contracts over a year ago:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3949

Here's HK's news link: http://www.hkdefense.us/corporate/me...essrelease.pdf
and here's Sigarms': http://www.sigarms.com/news/index.asp?display=detail&id=67

And as for "all of it's uses?" ...

Don't believe salesmen! Did you buy your hummer based solely on the claims of the salesperson?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
My last purchase was a toy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Klaus,
A toy? What'd you saw the little orange tip off the barrel

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
My last purchase was a toy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Did you really get a five-seveN? ass

I was talking about getting one to play with a couple of months ago but ended up getting a P2000sk as a new carry.

ree,

I'm sure you know the P45 is new, so it's going to be slim pickings finding a lot of people who have molested one.

I don't know anything about them but I would suggest finding a place that has a range that will allow you to rent one to shoot first. Obviously, in CC situations, if you lack even the remote confidence in your primary, it could mean the big picture if you had to employ it in a real world scenario.

If it doesn't have it and the gun feels good, there are some recoil reducers that are going to be big market items for the compact large calibers that are here and coming. Something similar to what HK utilizes along with the polymer frame might help wrestle the gun down for situations when your adrenaline is pumping and your mind is racing.

BTW, here is a pic of my P2000sk before I get it treated with Black-T.

I scan througt GT because it has such a eclectic and large amount of information. Here is a posting on the P45

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=457422

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Did you really get a five-seveN? ass
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yeah, I did. Whenever I load up the arsenal and drive over to Mississippi you can shoot it!

I sure am glad I have the air suspension!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I scan througt GT because it has such a eclectic and large amount of information. Here is a posting on the P45

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=457422 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paragon,
Great find. Lots of good info more in depth from the reading in all the rags. I'm thinking the long trigger pull is going to ruin the deal. I just have the damndest time squeezing cleanly if I have to move the trigger finger through too long an arc. After buying other guns sight-unseen, don't worry, I'm not going to buy without trying.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Don't believe salesmen! Did you buy your hummer based solely on the claims of the salesperson?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ree, I bought the gun because it felt good (as stated) and the brand has a great rep. Thanks for the links though! Now I know.

I would like to retain your services as my Midwestern research assistant through the 1st quarter of 2006. Feel free to correct and quote me as needed.

As far the HUMMER, I bought it for the same reason as everyone else here - to compensate for a small hog.

Paragon-

I really liked the subcompact too. I don't think you can go wrong with HK.

What do you recomend for holster options? (Model/Manufacturer) I've looked at a few by Galco but I can't decide.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Longhorn:
I would like to retain your services as my Midwestern research assistant through the 1st quarter of 2006. Feel free to correct and quote me as needed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll go out of my way not to now
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
As far the HUMMER, I bought it for the same reason as everyone else here - to compensate for a small hog.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's what you call them down there?!



Re: Holsters
You guys ever try a <STRIKE>fobus</STRIKE> kydex plastic thingy? I'm considering trying one of those out sometime.

I have a Done Hume Open Top Agent paddle holster (25USP-C) on order. I prefer paddles and like the agent because it provides a piece of leather that protects the weapon completely from your skin should you not wear an undershirt. I carry wearing shorts and other things w/o belts at times. Good, comfortable holsters and the same model will work for both the P2000 and the sk.

I have a couple of Fobus holsters. I like their mag carriers. The holsters are good for general use, but if you are going to carry often, spend the money on a good leather holster.

FWIW, I don't think Fobus holsters are made of Kydex but of a better synthetic plastic. Kydex has some long term wear issues and can deform.

I have 2 Fobus Roto-holsters. One on a universal mount that will allow you to mount the holster in a multitude of locations and be an easy draw should you need it.

I didn't really say, but you get what you pay for. Fobus holsters are good for the money but just not an everyday carry option, IMO.