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timgco 02-23-2005 01:17 AM

So, SUT owners. Let's talk about this Slant Back deal.
I really want one (as I have mentioned 6000 times). After research and running into walls, I have come up with only one answer. My H2 brothers/ sisters and I will have to design one.

So there are some things to look into.
1) R&D.
Who has connections to professional fiber glass work and automotive glass? When I ask this I'm talking about Custom Work. Not Jimbob's glass shop. (unless Jimbob does custom work).

2) What options would you want?
Tinted/ plain glass. window defroster? rear Wiper? Automatic locking with remote?

3) Price?
there is a company (can't remeber the name off hand) who will not be producing one for the SUT but already has a conversion for the H1's. Their conversion starts at $3000.

On my truck i would like to see a high quality finsished product that will look OEM when finished. I would like to see it lock with the remote key fob only without an external lock and have a rear wiper and defroster. I would have it light up inside once the dome light is turned on with the truck or is opened. This can be done with door switches easily.

I know this would be a $3000 to $4000 project with all of those options. (Estimated) But once one is made and perfected cost should be cut in half for a prduction run.

I could have one made out of Alluminum Tubes for frame work and sheet metal finished with holes for glass, but this would be way to heavy. So fiberglass would be the way to go. I don't know anything about custom fiberglassing or molding for this either.

...let's talk about this.

timgco 02-23-2005 01:17 AM

So, SUT owners. Let's talk about this Slant Back deal.
I really want one (as I have mentioned 6000 times). After research and running into walls, I have come up with only one answer. My H2 brothers/ sisters and I will have to design one.

So there are some things to look into.
1) R&D.
Who has connections to professional fiber glass work and automotive glass? When I ask this I'm talking about Custom Work. Not Jimbob's glass shop. (unless Jimbob does custom work).

2) What options would you want?
Tinted/ plain glass. window defroster? rear Wiper? Automatic locking with remote?

3) Price?
there is a company (can't remeber the name off hand) who will not be producing one for the SUT but already has a conversion for the H1's. Their conversion starts at $3000.

On my truck i would like to see a high quality finsished product that will look OEM when finished. I would like to see it lock with the remote key fob only without an external lock and have a rear wiper and defroster. I would have it light up inside once the dome light is turned on with the truck or is opened. This can be done with door switches easily.

I know this would be a $3000 to $4000 project with all of those options. (Estimated) But once one is made and perfected cost should be cut in half for a prduction run.

I could have one made out of Alluminum Tubes for frame work and sheet metal finished with holes for glass, but this would be way to heavy. So fiberglass would be the way to go. I don't know anything about custom fiberglassing or molding for this either.

...let's talk about this.

H2ZRESQ 02-23-2005 02:03 AM

Tim

Give me a call about this. I may have some options.

KenP 02-23-2005 02:22 AM

Did you ever try to contact the Hydrogen HUMMER people about theirs? They may be able to provide contact info for whoever made theirs.

timgco 02-23-2005 02:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Did you ever try to contact the Hydrogen HUMMER people about theirs? They may be able to provide contact info for whoever made theirs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ken, I would love to, but I have no contacts there. Or know who to even look for to contact.
I have contacted aftermarket companies, pick up truck cap companies, and a few custom shops out in Cali.

4churchill 02-23-2005 05:57 AM

tim, let me know what you need from me, im definately in on whatever we need to do

CLAYDOG 02-23-2005 11:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Did you ever try to contact the Hydrogen HUMMER people about theirs? They may be able to provide contact info for whoever made theirs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The slant back on the Hydrogen HUMMER was done internally at GM, and unless someone pretty high up the corporate food chain decides to offer it as an SPO option there's no way to get one from GM. Now if your looking for someone that can do a top notch job and would like to do that project call Paul langlois, owner of Master Models and Molds @ 734-564-0524. He rode along with me in a SUT at Kinsalows last spring and we talked quite a bit about doing a slant back at the time.

timgco 02-23-2005 01:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CLAYDOG:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Did you ever try to contact the Hydrogen HUMMER people about theirs? They may be able to provide contact info for whoever made theirs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The slant back on the Hydrogen HUMMER was done internally at GM, and unless someone pretty high up the corporate food chain decides to offer it as an SPO option there's no way to get one from GM. Now if your looking for someone that can do a top notch job and would like to do that project call Paul langlois, owner of Master Models and Molds @ 734-564-0524. He rode along with me in a SUT at Kinsalows last spring and we talked quite a bit about doing a slant back at the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

CLay Dog, you rock! I will try him later this afternoon. Thank you.

Happy Hummer 02-23-2005 05:48 PM

I just received a call from HUMMER Corporate and they have NO PLANS to bring out the slant back top for the SUT.

I would be interested in one too....

ROB

CLAYDOG 02-23-2005 06:16 PM

Just did some checking, and a company called Wheel to Wheel in Troy Mi.(Detroit area in any case) did the actual model and tooling work on the Hydrogen HUMMER. I don't know if they "own" the tooling or GM does,but if W2W owns the tools they may be able to sell parts out of them.

timgco 02-23-2005 09:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
http://www.wheeltowheelinc.com/

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Linky no worky.

Did a search on Dex and came up with squat too.

PARAGON 02-23-2005 10:10 PM

I think, think mind you, that wheel to wheel inc is now combined or has something to do with the new tecstar-starcraft thing. tecstarinc.com and starcraft.com are both not working either.

Maybe, try again tomorrow.

Paul L 02-24-2005 02:12 AM

no bs $2000 for a slant back any way you want it

4churchill 02-24-2005 02:17 AM

Paul, what about making us a sample or a prototype? if you can provide a finished prouct with OEM or better quality and good functionality, I am sure you would have multiple if not many customers from this site alone.

Paul L 02-24-2005 02:38 AM

We do loads of glasswork. The first one requires tons of work; all the others are strait out the mold. So as i have said before - first one is free, but you have to leave your sut at my shop for a few days. All others are $2000

4churchill 02-24-2005 02:38 AM

where is your shop paul? im interested

Paul L 02-24-2005 02:44 AM

in Mass.

4churchill 02-24-2005 02:57 AM

hmmm, maybe ill have to drive the rig up there this summer when im back in ny. where in mass?

timgco 02-24-2005 01:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Paul L:
We do loads of glasswork. The first one requires tons of work; all the others are strait out the mold. So as i have said before - first one is free, but you have to leave your sut at my shop for a few days. All others are $2000 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can make one that is like the H2H, I'd pay the $2000 and freight to get it here to CO. HAve you seen these pics?

timgco 02-24-2005 01:01 PM

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Notice the handle on the back.
want this to lock.

Also rear defroster.

Can you do this Paul?

GeneseeMtn 02-24-2005 01:16 PM

This is the outfit that makes the H1 slantback kits:

http://www.calgoldproducts.com/

Also, I've seen another H2SUT slantback besides this Hydrogen one. It was on a yellow H2 Sut that I saw in Durango last October. It makes me think that the photo of the slantback above is not a "one-off."

timgco 02-24-2005 03:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GeneseeMtn:
This is the outfit that makes the H1 slantback kits:

http://www.calgoldproducts.com/

Also, I've seen another H2SUT slantback besides this Hydrogen one. It was on a yellow H2 Sut that I saw in Durango last October. It makes me think that the photo of the slantback above is not a "one-off." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
good to know there is more than one now. I called CGP about maing one for the SUT, and they said NO! Not enough market to bother.

timgco 02-24-2005 05:45 PM

Ok, I talked with TecStar today. Wheel to Wheel is there engineering division. The slantbacks that have been put on a couple of trucks and are both prototypes. They have to perfect those protypes before production.

However, I was told that their company is looking down the road to produce them. the nice lady that I talked to is checking into when and will be getting back to me. Tecstar puts packages together for different vehicles.
Sounds like that would be a great job to have!

I'll keep you all posted as word is passed along.

for those that are considering haveing one made from scratch may want to wait until I hear back how long it will be and how much they will cost.

4churchill 02-24-2005 06:12 PM

tim can you post the number? maybe if enough of us call and request it, they will either a) hurry up production or b)definately produce if they still had some reservations...thanks for all the work!

KenP 02-24-2005 06:59 PM

Tim, are you close enough to be a "Test Vehicle"? That would be great.

timgco 02-24-2005 07:35 PM

They are in Michigan. rather than everyone calling, we should do a poll as to how many are interested in one and would purchase if not too costly. I'm hoping to hear something back soon with an answer as to when they will have a finished product. If it is too far down the road than I think we could all call. The lady that i talked to was very nice and informative. she said she would get back to me, so If we all call, I think that may cause frustration more than anything.

Keep in mind this won't be a low cost item. I could see this product going for 2 to 5K easily.

I think we should wait a few days and see what she comes back with. If it's too far down the road or the project is to be put on hold, those of us willing to drop some money and time into this project can start a PM and develope one ourselves.

...thoughts?

Paul L 02-24-2005 10:31 PM

yes to all questions. I can & will build some, I will be back on Mon. email me w/your phone # pleaman@comcast.net & I will contact you

Paul L 02-24-2005 10:36 PM

my shop does custom work 99.9% of the time, so building the 2nd one & on is a peice of cake.
Next week I'm contacting my dealer about a loaner for a couple of days to make a mold

HUMMERDOGG 02-25-2005 02:39 AM

Anybody notice the front grill in the first shot of H2H? What is that?-some new grill-guard?

KenP 02-25-2005 03:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted by HUMMERDOGG:
Anybody notice the front grill in the first shot of H2H? What is that?-some new grill-guard? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>While it looks like an overlay, there appear to be two mounts on the bottom just inside the headlights. I bet you can't use it for pushing, just brush guarding.

KenP 02-25-2005 03:56 AM

Paul, what kind of wood will you make it out of? Koa or Bubinga?

4churchill 02-25-2005 04:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HUMMERDOGG:
Anybody notice the front grill in the first shot of H2H? What is that?-some new grill-guard? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats the same grill guard from that h2 black ops and h2 green ltd edition that they showed at sema

dochummer 02-25-2005 04:06 AM

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It's the new style coming out. We've discussed the sidesteps somewhere on this board...

4churchill 02-25-2005 04:56 AM



heres the black ops edition

HUMMERDOGG 02-26-2005 04:01 AM

dochummer-

I missed the sidestep discussion. I actually like that look. Anywone know if the sidesteps disconnect from the rock rails? I would actually go with that if they did. Thanks for the pic. I'll do a forum search for that sidestep thread.

KenP 02-26-2005 04:20 AM

Dogg, they are built into the "Rock" rails to the best of knowledge. Nothing else has been posted about them being removable.


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