posted by "jimbo" at www.wegotmud.com



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

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I work at VW, so the owner wants me and the other porter to make a display of tourags in the snow...so automatically, I grab the keys to my jeep, and I start making a path for the tourags to go on...im in 4 wheel drive, and I see my buddy in the top of the line V8, with Air suspension (adjust height etc.) and I start to move some more...and all i hear is..."SSCCHHHHHHVHHHHHHHHHH".....tires spinning! that d-bag got a tourag stuck! so I put it in 4-hi, and was doing some 4x4 donuts....and after all the digging, rocking, and other techniques, the tourag didnt come out (the owner wanted us to try all means possible before taking the tow-straps out...) so we tried and tried, finally I got tired, hopped in my jeep, backed it up near the tourag...hooked up the tow-strap, 2 seconds later, the tourag isnt stuck anymore! muahaha....I think it is time for a sticker above my hitch that reads, "Place Tourag HERE!"


After all the bashing I missed, I figured I'd get a fresh thread going.

posted by "jimbo" at www.wegotmud.com



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

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I work at VW, so the owner wants me and the other porter to make a display of tourags in the snow...so automatically, I grab the keys to my jeep, and I start making a path for the tourags to go on...im in 4 wheel drive, and I see my buddy in the top of the line V8, with Air suspension (adjust height etc.) and I start to move some more...and all i hear is..."SSCCHHHHHHVHHHHHHHHHH".....tires spinning! that d-bag got a tourag stuck! so I put it in 4-hi, and was doing some 4x4 donuts....and after all the digging, rocking, and other techniques, the tourag didnt come out (the owner wanted us to try all means possible before taking the tow-straps out...) so we tried and tried, finally I got tired, hopped in my jeep, backed it up near the tourag...hooked up the tow-strap, 2 seconds later, the tourag isnt stuck anymore! muahaha....I think it is time for a sticker above my hitch that reads, "Place Tourag HERE!"


After all the bashing I missed, I figured I'd get a fresh thread going.

I wish I had taken pictures of the 2 Jeeps I rescued from snow last year on New Years Day.

It's funny how the jeep-nard neglects to mention he probably didn't have stock tires.

Jeeps are better than VWs

Jeeps are cool...............and tough

That Jeep be "BLING'N"!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I wish I had taken pictures of the 2 Jeeps I rescued from snow last year on New Years Day.

It's funny how the jeep-nard neglects to mention he probably didn't have stock tires. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does that have to do with anything???

Tire tread is obviously one of the most important aspects of traction there is, so if he had the foresight to mount a better tread than more power to him. We all end up without our stock tires after they wear out.

I don't think that anyone on this board would realistically argue that Stock Hummer can follow a stock Jeep on the trail and keep up.

Whoever did that needs to get smacked

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:


Nope, the stock H2 will leave the Jeep in many/most situations. And lets be clear here, the Rubicon and the H2 are on par, any other stock Jeep will be hard pressed to follow an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has already long been established on this board that there is no substitue for solid axles front and rear. A stock Jeep will keep all 4 tires on the ground while an H2 is hanging them in the air. The rubicon has front and rear lockers, a 4:1 transfer case, solid dana 44's. There is no stock vehicle in the world short of a unimog or g wagen that can match that kinda capability out of the box. The defender 90's were pretty good, but who wants an all aluminum vehicle that suffers from electrolysis corrosion, besides, they don't make them anymore anyway.

I don't even wanna go into what I saw three guys in two H1's doing in at Haspen acres one day. There buddy in his 70's 3/4 ton chevy had his hands full pulling them out of mud holes. those things sink like stones.

Jeeps rock

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a wrench and thirty seconds?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2. Plus the H2 has an advantage with it's wheelbase in some situations. Rubi's are nice, but I have seen them fail trying to follow an H2 and vice-versa, as I said, I consider them to be about par.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have to agree with Seth on this. I have dseen the RUBI work. GREAT RIG! But that short wheele base will flip it over in some situations where the H@ will keep climbing.

Before I got my H2, I was a loyal Jeep fanatic for 8 years.

I can tell you in comparison between my 8 years with my Sahara SE and 2 years with my H2, I can NEVER EVER go back to Jeep brand.

The H2 can do so much more, more cargo, more people, a hell of alot more stable on or off road, safer, more capable off-road I can attest, the list goes on and on. Hell you can even go as far as saying it even gets alot more attention(The whole world can vouche for that.) if you're an attention whore.


If the Rubicon was the same price as the H2, The Rubicon would lose miserably in sales. Well, I think I don't need to go any further.

I wasn't talking about adding a grand worth of stuff. Disconnecting the sway bar is a matter of backing off two nuts and folding it up. It is faster than gassing up, filling your wiper fluid, checking your tire pressure, etc.

When people get Jeeps they come with little nuts on the bottom of the door pins. You have to remove those four nuts to remove the doors. A Jeep with the doors off is not a "modded jeep". Same goes for the sway bars. And yes, you disc the front sway bar on a rubicon and you have an out of the box rock buggy. You can not say that about any other vehicle made in America.

I have owned three jeeps and we have one company hummer and I would not try to follow a stock wrangler sport with a ls rear in the H2.

I still see my Jeep friends from time to time. We went up to Stave Lake last year. We played follow the leader. Most of the areas I lead, they could not follow.

Like me, most of the owners here have had the privilage of experiencing both the Jeep brand and the Hummer brand. You on the other hand are starting to sound desperate.

Until you've done that, you're efforts to convince the majority here are in vain.

Call it deperation if you like... whatever. I drove heavy equipment for years. Mostly, rough terrain forklifts. Lull 844C-42's to be specific. The reason that I bring this up is because we put those machines through hell on earth. The have axles which ar pinned to the frame in the center and the front axle has a hydraulic ram which can force the articulation by ten degrees to either side. People who have spent this sort of extensive time off road (42.5 hours a week for three years) can tell you that the holy grail of mud is tire pattern and the holy grail of obstacles is 4 wheels on the ground. There simply is no substitute for this and the only way to acheive it consistently is with straight axles. This fact has never failed me when off roading (and I have done a LOT of it in a variety of vehicles). Put the power to the ground. A ford f250 has straight axles, but it is abviously not the wheeler that a jeep is due to limitations of length, wheelbase, and clearance.

I am not trying to get anyone butt hurt over this but it is simply true that a Rubicon is the best out of the box off roader made in america period. I do not own one, and have no intentions of buying one.

Whats with all of this childish know it all crap. I owned a wrangler and modded it to a decent degree and it made it much more fun to trail with but that's it.

I can drive me, my wife daughter and dog 1200 miles to go offroad and do both the trip and the ride in relative great comfort. Driving style is completely different with an H2 as compared to a Jeep.

Mark my words, in a few years even Jeep will relegate their suspensions to fully independent. It is all in how it is applied and IS is looking very promising in a current design challenge because of the way it is being applied.

Ok superdufus, continue on with your mindess drivel.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
I drove heavy equipment for years. Mostly, rough terrain forklifts. Lull 844C-42's to be specific. The reason that I bring this up is because we put those machines through hell on earth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only desperate, but also reaching.

You seem like a nice sincere fellow, but what are you trying to achieve???? This is a HUMMER Forum! You're dealing with mostly educated people here who have made in some cases an upgrade from Jeep to a more capable vehicle.

I wanted the BEST my money could buy. The H2 delivers the best of both worlds.

If I wanted ULTIMATE, It would be H1. But a sacrafice in comfort on a daily basis.

If I was single or no kids and wanted some open top fun. Taking in mild to hard trails with gear for one person. Yes sure I'd buy a Rubicon.

I'd would NOT make a 22 hour trip to Moab in a Rubicon. And definitely take on some trails we attacked in Moab. If I did, I would take the trails that were designated for Xterras and 4Runners.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a wrench and thirty seconds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's not "stock" and you know it. Let's clarify this- Stock shall now be "off the showroom floor". Is that easy enough for you to understand?
A stock H2 will easily go where a stock Jeep can only dream of going. I've got a perfect hill to prove my point. Oh yeah, and some great sand dunes. And some nice mud bogs too.

[quote]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:


That's not "stock" and you know it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not consider the removal of two nuts a departure from stock any more than I consider a headlight adjustment or a change of wiper blades a departure from stock. These things would kill your definition.

What about an oil change???

Is lowered tire pressure a departure from stock???

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:


I wanted the BEST my money could buy. The H2 delivers the best of both worlds.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What exactly is your goal here? It's pretty lame trying to stir the pot with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer.

Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation.

So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners.

You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
[quote]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Posted by DRTY:
At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That won't happen. It's hard to sue when you enjoy it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its kind of hard to loose contact when I am my own connection.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its kind of hard to loose contact when I am my own connection. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>For you, Shaggy, anything is possible and at times I have wondered if you lost the connection with yourself.

Oh, my god. It is like talking to children

Plus
You cant pic up chicks in a jeep.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> [quote]My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
[quote]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts.

originally posted by the Shagmeister,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Shagmeister, who now lives in a constant reefer induced haze has finally lost all touch with reality.

originally posted by superturd,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
One entry found for Jesuit.


Main Entry: Je·su·it
Pronunciation: 'je-zu-&t, -zhu- also -zyu-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin Jesuita, from Late Latin Jesus
1 : a member of the Roman Catholic Society of Jesus founded by Saint Ignatius Loyola in 1534 and devoted to missionary and educational work
2 : one given to intrigue or equivocation
- je·su·it·ic /"je-zu-'(w)i-tik, -zhu-, -zyu-/ or je·su·it·i·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective, often capitalized
- je·su·it·i·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb, often capitalized
- je·su·it·ism /'je-zu-&-"ti-z&m, -zhu-, -zyu-/ or je·su·it·ry /-&-trE/ noun, often capitalized

Same thing!!!! Check YOUR facts douche bag.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
I said Jesuit, not catholic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?