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cognitive 03-25-2006 10:09 PM

H2 won't start. may have run out of gas. have gas now and battery but no start. what to do?

someone said solenoid flakey so try rapid key start. doesn't work.

another said alarm is preventing it from starting.

another said fuel pump is fried.

is there anyth8ng to try b4 towing?

cognitive 03-25-2006 10:37 PM

how? thanks for help

cognitive 03-25-2006 10:46 PM

tried unscrewing negative from batt, waitee a few minutes +put back. still no luck. could it be fuses?

cognitive 03-25-2006 11:09 PM

fuses look fine. i don't hear the starter click. frustrating.

intimidator 03-25-2006 11:15 PM

ok does it crank but not start or
no crank no start?

Kevin B 03-25-2006 11:30 PM

Quote:

i don't hear the starter click. frustrating.

sounds like no crank .
If so I would clean battery terminals for starters (no pun intended).

MovinH2 03-25-2006 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kevin B:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i don't hear the starter click. frustrating.

sounds like no crank .
If so I would clean battery terminals for starters (no pun intended). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X2.

CampMaster 03-26-2006 03:16 AM

could be a clogged fuel filter.

If the gas got too low dirt/particals at the bottom of the tank could have been sucked up the line and blocked the fuel filter.

KenP 03-26-2006 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by cognitive:
H2 won't start. may have run out of gas. have gas now and battery but no start. what to do?

someone said solenoid flakey so try rapid key start. doesn't work.

another said alarm is preventing it from starting.

another said fuel pump is fried.

is there anyth8ng to try b4 towing?
Holy first grade writing.

Running out of fuel with a FI engine is a no-no. My first thought is to the fuel pump. It needs the fuel for lubrication.

cognitive 03-26-2006 10:04 AM

I'm guessing it was the fuel pump too. I'll find out this week. It does not crank but everything else appears to be fine. As for the first grade writing... kenp... I lost power on the George Washington bridge and luckily coasted off an exit - in a straight line b/c the power steering turned off. I was typing on a tablet in the car while waiting for tow trucks from AAA. I just wanted to get out of there. I don't care what type of engine this is. If running out of gas isn't cured by adding more gas only, then the design is severely flawed. I knew about this before but the last gas station I passed was under construction. I didn't think I was totally out but maybe the fuel pump had been damaged prior to yesterday and finally gave out. If it is the pump, what am I looking at in terms of repair cost and time?

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

tomp 03-26-2006 10:18 AM

My Guess: Bad alternator and you ran off battery power until it then died. Now it won't start because you sucked all remaining life out of battery. You may need to charge or replace battery and R&R alternator.

cognitive 03-26-2006 10:26 AM

Actually, since there isn't a crank, it might be a terrible coincidence between losing fuel and the ignition switch/fuse. If I recall correctly, the ign1 is a block, not a simple fuse. Is that the switch + fuse or just a fuse and the switch is elsewhere?

Kevin B 03-26-2006 01:12 PM

You sent it off w/o even charging up the battery or cleaning the battery terminals .

cognitive 03-27-2006 11:39 AM

No, I had the battery charged and everything seems to be powered (windows came on last I think). Still no crank. I'll find out today.

Klaus 03-27-2006 12:00 PM

Probably the transmission interlock wiring at the shifter. When the wire breaks inside from flexing, the vehicle thinks it is in gear and will not start.

cognitive 03-29-2006 11:22 PM

Turned out to be the PCMB fuse under the hood. Why it blew is anyone's guess. At least now I know where to check if it happens again.

HummMe 03-30-2006 01:10 AM

The PCMB fuse is the power supply to your fuel pump relay-Chances are you overheated the fuel pump by trying to start it over and over w/ no fuel. You definately took some life off that pump.

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Originally posted by cognitive:
Turned out to be the PCMB fuse under the hood. Why it blew is anyone's guess. At least now I know where to check if it happens again.

cognitive 03-30-2006 11:50 PM

Ok, finally it makes sense... except that I overheated the pump due to low fuel... so the pump relay is set to blow the fuse under these circumstances?

I admit I'm dumb for running low on fuel... especially while crossing a bridge ;0> but what a dumb design.

HummMe 03-31-2006 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by cognitive:
Ok, finally it makes sense... except that I overheated the pump due to low fuel... so the pump relay is set to blow the fuse under these circumstances?

I admit I'm dumb for running low on fuel... especially while crossing a bridge ;0> but what a dumb design.
Its not really a dumb design- if you continue to try and start the engine the fuel pump will run, your fuel pump is cooled by fuel. If there is no fuel left, the tank is full of vapors and your fuel pump begins to overheat(do you see where this is going?) The pump draws too many amps and pops the fuse before anything bad happens. Lesson learned here-dont run out of fuel.

HUMTECH 04-02-2006 01:42 AM

Nothing wrong with the design, how else would you lubricate the pump. Thats why ya have a fuel gauge, low fuel light and low fuel message in the dic to tell you when to re-fuel. Always better to re-fuel early rather than try to make that next service station. Just my 2c.


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