whats a better offroader......
 

what do u folks think is a better offroader, an h1 with front and rear lockers, or an h2 with a fabtech 6" lift and appropriate upgrades and gearing?
and why?
thanks folks!

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An H2 is an ugly, overweight behemoth. No Hummer vehicle can be considered an "offroad vehicle". They are too big to be agile on the trails, they can't fit on any trail narrower than a 3 lane highway, and they're way too heavy not to sink in mud. I admit, the H3 is a step in the right direction, but it's so underpowered that to climb trhe slightest incline you have to kill the AC. You guys need to stop kidding yourselves. I've seen a whole line of H2's at Paragon with magnetic "body armor" taped on with sticky tape to protect the finish. What a bunch of pansies! "Hummer offroad vehicle"? Oxymoron ... emphasis on moron. Nuff said.

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hmmmmm.......
ok, an offtopic post.
ill agree theyre too wide for some of the trails that were carved out by little jeeps once upon a time...
despite all that info, u still didnt answer the question though...
:)

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The H1.

Why? I'd say because there are no modifications in there to go bad. Everything is stock (well, on a 2004 for what you're saying) so issues that stem from lifts are not really coming into play. You know, alignment, etc. The H1 is still the ultimate. The H2 certainly is probably the next best. But I'd say H1>H2 if you're looking for off-roadability, minus creature comforts, etc...

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You sound like a person that wants a Hummer so so Bad, but will nevery be able to have one in your life. It must suck to be you.

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Yeah! I remember when I couldn't afford one too.:OWNED:

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What he meant to say:D

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Ha. I don't dislike the looks of the H3 ... to an extent. It looks enough like my Jeep not to be as offensively ugly as the H2. And all hail the mean visage of the H1. I do like the way it looks as well. The H2 is an abomination. (BTW, did you know that the H2 made the "ugliest car" list ... right up there with the Pontiac Aztec! Woo hoo.) But I honestly don't crave a Hummer - of any model. I like the size, agility, capability, ruggedness, reliability, legendary proven off-road qualities of my Jeep. It's affordable to purchase and maintain, enough so that I can afford to have 3 vehicles ... one of which is the fastest "SUV" in the world. I can't see putting all my eggs in one Hummer basket, but I can afford one. And after I had the pleasure of rescuing an H1 with my barely built Cherokee at Paragon Adventure Park, I know that the Hummer's abilities as an "offroad vehicle" is laughable. :giggling: Hence it is impossible for me to answer the question posed. I don't think ANY Hummer is worthy of the "offroad" moniker. Oh they do make it on some mild trails, but the really tough stuff belongs to Jeep - and you all know it.

You guys always resort to the lame you-can't-afford-one song & dance because it's your only claim to fame. Sticker price is the only area in which you can claim a #1 position, and the offensive ugliness is second only to the Aztec.

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Another lame AE, or just another A$$hole kid with nothing bettter to do?

By the way, since it appears you have never driven an H3 up a steep incline, let me say, the A/C does not have to be off...from experience, not from surfing your matchbox cars' websites.

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Ding ding ding

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Again what he meant to say was:fdance:

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I speak only of the appearance of the H3. IMHO that is the only positive thing it has going for it.

Sadly, the Liberty wears the Jeep badge, much to my embarrassment. I concur.


What are you, kidding me? All-round at WHAT? Taking up entire lanes of traffic? Bringing tears to the eyes of every "Tread Lightly" supporter? Gouging huge holes in the pockets of every owner? Oh wait ... maybe at transporting that rare American family with 8 kids and a dog, but still sadly unable to park in the supermarket's alloted space when they go food shopping, because the damn things are just too big? Or maybe all-round at attracting every gas guzzler tax available on our fair earth. And I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the design team, instead of coming up with an original facade, had to COPY the well known Jeep grill in a lame attempt to snatch comparisons and turn heads.

Maybe so, but how often do you hear it from someone who actually outwheeled the Hummer top-of-the-line in a vehicle that cost 1/10 of its price, AND had to rescue the whale to boot? :fdance: You've heard it 1000 times because the truth never gets old.

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The Pavement Princess has Spoken! :lame:

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Go over to an Excursion or Dodge forum ween breath.:rolleyes:

Just because you are pissy from your busy morning McDonalds breakfast shift doesn't mean you get any slack. Do your research and salt my fuggin fries right.

You don't like us because we are a sweet factory ready, expensive, pussy getting, comfy, pimpin, roomier than your mom's box, off and on road Enigma.:fdance:

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Fries are Done!:jump:

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[quote=f5fstop] just another A$$hole kid with nothing bettter to do?[quote]

How'd you guess??

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Personal attacks on me is the best you ladies can do? I must say it's really touching how you little girlies come to the defense of your pansy-mobiles. :grouphug: Those crap boxes need all the help they can get ... and that's a fact. :jump:

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You criticizing anything while using dialup = teh funnay:jump:

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Haha!!! That made my day.:jump: :jump:

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Aww, it's pretty sad that you all have to resort to petty grade school finger pointing when the issues aren't personal. I didn't come here to get personal. I was just cruising by when I saw a thread that offended my delicate sensibilities and I had to respond. Hummers are NOT offrioad vehicles. Fact. The H2 and H3 are oversized, over prized grocery getters. Fact. Anyone seriously into offroading doesn't go out and buy a Hummer ... they get a Jeep. Fact. Hummer owners sometimes get a hankering to prove that they are more than spoilt little rich guys with more $ than sense, and every so often they hit some dirt roads and return to the office on Monday saying they went off-road. C'mon, let's stick to the vehicles. An 1985 Jeep CJ with lockers and 33's is a much more capable offroad vehicle than any H1, and the owner doesn't have to worry about taping magnets over his paint job. Fact. Just the facts, ladies!

I mean, honestly, have you ever heard anyone refer to a Tahoe as an offroad vehicle? Then why would you think that the H2 is, when it's basically a Taho with some fancy accessories and a wanna-be Jeep body???

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:violin:



You saw this thread. Out of all the other threads. All the threads from Hummer owners wheeling in Moab, Paragon, Tellico, CO, K rocks, AZ, NC, North Carolina, the Rubicon etc...?

A thread that was started less than 12 hours ago? Oh you must have been googling H1 H2 and this particular thread came up? Oh no?
Ah, you came to the forum and went directly to the off-topic section.

Bitch please.:lame:

The Hummer is on your mind.:giggling: :jump: :giggling:

BTW- We have discussed this particular subject time and time again, only to watch the pathetic and uninformed cower and slither away. It's old.

Ding......

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x2

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Well your last statement proves you have never crawled under a Tahoe and compared the components to a H2.

As for Hummers; the only Hummers this guy is familiar with are the ones he gives his buddies in the grade school lavatory.

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Your credibility dun went bye bye.:OWNED:by self

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Naughty little bitch:

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Ah ... the truth cannot be denied; by your own admission, I DO have credibility. ha! hahahahahahahahah!!!
I haven't heard any of you crybabies deny that Jeep is the undisputable offroad King ... Hummer is a pretender, not even a contender, so it's understandable why you ladies are all in a tizzy over your Ark.
.... and yet you all flock to refute it like moths to a flame, like lambs to the slaughter ... why?


Hey, I didn't start this abortion of a thread, I just made it into a living thing. You should all thank me for brightening your Saturday.

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And what is this supposed to be? What does this have to do whth the boringness that Hummer is?

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Damn it... is this Storydude?:jump:

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You know, he does sound like our dumpster diving diva.:D

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[quote=H1izmabyatch]Aww, it's pretty sad that you all have to resort to petty grade school finger pointing when the issues aren't personal. I didn't come here to get personal. (If you wanted to debate better wheelin vehicles then you would be discussing technical specs and not just spouting personal opinions. Hey you believe that the Jeep is more capable yet you have not provided any amplifying data to support your arguments.)

I was just cruising by when I saw a thread that offended my delicate sensibilities and I had to respond. (Well OK this was an a and b conversation C your way out anytime you want. Your delicate jeep was not even attacked and yet you felt you had to start sh*t)

Hummers are NOT offroad vehicles. Fact. The H2 and H3 are oversized, over prized grocery getters. (Your opinion. You must show scientific proof before it is considered fact) Fact. Anyone seriously into offroading doesn't go out and buy a Hummer (Opinion again, most of the people here are serious offroaders and they use their hummers in that manner)

C'mon, let's stick to the vehicles. An 1985 Jeep CJ with lockers and 33's is a much more capable offroad vehicle than any H1, and the owner doesn't have to worry about taping magnets over his paint job. Fact. (Opinion, it is not the vehicle but the driver. Any vehicle can be an off road vehicle but if the driver can't do **** with it then the vehicle is a waste)

I mean, honestly, have you ever heard anyone refer to a Tahoe as an offroad vehicle? Then why would you think that the H2 is, when it's basically a Taho with some fancy accessories and a wanna-be Jeep body??? (Show the proof about the H2 being a glorified Tahoe!![/quote]

You have not shown any proof to back up your arguements. Until then they are just ramblings.

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[quote=GLBLWARMR]
Lets be real here, this guy has a hard time figuring out what gender he is when he's filling out a credit application at his local 7/11, how can you expect him to find proof to his claims?

He probably tries to pump gas into his cigarette lighter.

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troll-like...

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It's too bad you know. This was a halfway decent thread.

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Evening ASSHAT:)

Just one question for this last ingenious statement of yours......

Please prove any of the statements you mentioned above and tagged with FACT!!!!

Please do this for me.

And next time you better not skimp on the fries bitch:rant:

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I've seen significantly modified jeeps that can go where my H2 can't. I also know some stock ones can slip through tight areas easier as well or at least get less scratches on their cheap paint. But, ignoring limited Jeep-opportunity-type obstacles, I have trouble getting over the three hours we spent last April behind two hopelessly-stuck Rubis (front and rear lockers) and one Wrangler on a Paragon Blue-3 trail before Hi-Mo winched the front one out from behind and then Larson proceeded to power his stock H2 right over the same obstacles with authoritative ease.

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well.....
besides a few constructive comments, this thread has been tarnished with drivel.
no one is knocking jeeps. jeeps werent the topic though. if all i wanted was a pure offroad vehicle, i might consider one. some of us like to have some style and comfort to go along with it though. some refinement when we use the vehicle to go out saturday night.
i offroad my lifted h3 and ive seen jeeps go where i wont go. ive seen beat to **** toyota pickups go where i wont go. not because i cant, but because i didnt like the idea of sideswiping my truck against a boulder to do it. jeepers dont care. guys in beat to **** toyota pickups dont care. if i sustain unforseen damage im not gonna sit down and cry abt it if it happens, but im not gonna purposefully use some big boulder to scrape against so i can get by.
ive forded water half way up my doors and not a drop gets inside. the jeepers did it (lifted like me) but they were sitting chest high in water to do it.
there is a big difference in refinement between the two vehicles.

back to topic.....
more specifically, i have a lifted h3 which im very happy with but after seeing an sut with the 6" fabtech lift i started thinking abt that. awesome vehicle on road, and wondered how good they are offroad. are they too top heavy?
lately ive been thinking of spending a few extra bucks and get an 03-04 convertible h1 and modding that. 2" lift, 2" body lift, bigger tires, rock rails, etc etc.....ive always thought the h1's were cool and i enjoyed driving it on the test drives ive taken.
so the question becomes besides the aesthetics, whats a better, more durable offroader, a lifted h2 or a slightly lifted h1 with some goodies and why?
are the doors water tight, unlike most jeeps? are the 6" lifted suts too top heavy and prone to roll?
are the h1's durable?
another aspect of the h1 that i like is i dont think an 03 or 04 will depreciate so much over the next several years.
comments?