Originally Posted by wordstew

Ok I will attempt to answer a few of your questions. I Have driven the two afforementioned vehicles in your post only once or twice. In my opinion the H3 gives a much tighter ride then both of those, floats less. Not as much engine power as the two but certainly sufficient. The H3 beats them hands down for parking in tight spots, turning radius is incredible. When you go for a test drive I would strongly suggest pulling to the side of the road cranking the steering wheel to the max and pulling a U turn. In-fuc#$ing-credible was my reaction. Oh yeah, you also gotta bring a CD of your favorite music pop it in and krank the Monsoon stereo it will make you feel 16 all over again.

In my opinion GMID is the way to go. No haggle no hassle. Just negotiate all the with the dealer for add ons like side steps ect. ect. ect.... or add them aftermarket. Half the fun of owning the H3 is personal customizing.

Good luck

Originally Posted by PARAGON

move on and find something else to drive. It's not for you.

If you hated how a Denali "drove" but loved the comfortable ride, you don't know enough about what you want out of a vehicle for anyone here to help you out.

A Denali is not an offroad vehicle, the H3 is. Two completely different vehicles and trying to draw some comparision between the two is asinine. Besides, about the only reason one wouldn't like a Denali is if they owned one prior to 2001.

Originally Posted by f5fstop

I can answer from a photographer's point of view.
I took a few trips in Wranglers with four cameras (F5, F100, D70, D200), along with seven lenses (four pro and very large), tripod, flashes, monopod, and various other misc camera equipment (basically three bags), along with two duffle bags, a cooler, tools, etc., and the Wranglers were bulging the roof, and basically, there is no security in a cloth covered Wranger, even with the small locable truck they offer. (Most of the equipment would not fit into the trunk.)
Now, with the H3 this year, I not only took almost the same amount of photo equipment, but my kid and all his photo equipment. The backseat was filled, could not have taken another person unless I purchased a covered luggage carrier. We had some security with the doors locking and a steel roof, and the ride across country sure was more enjoyable.
The Hummer went everywhere the Wranglers went, so as for off-roading, all I can say is they were both good.

As for riding, the H3 is more enjoyable to ride on the nasty, pot-holed roads of MI, and is generally a comfortable vehicle (for me) to drive. However, hard to beat an open top Jeep in the summer.

Originally Posted by glowrider

Of course I know what I want, and I stated my inteded purposes of the car. I want a truck that handles better than the Denali which was mush, but I don't want a terribly harsh ride. What about that makes you think I don't know what I want?

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Don't mind paragon. He has a lot of time on his hands and is just trying to get a rise out of you. He really does have a lot of good knowledge on Hummers and wheeling, but it mostly stays in the H2 forum. He gets his kicks trolling our forum, passing out criticism and hazing the newbs. But what do you expect from a guy who thinks "dreams are for losers"? :giggling:

Originally Posted by glowrider

Of course I know what I want, and I stated my inteded purposes of the car. I want a truck that handles better than the Denali which was mush, but I don't want a terribly harsh ride. What about that makes you think I don't know what I want?

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

B S

Put him on your ignore list

Thats where he and others like IT belong

RYD

Originally Posted by PARAGON

the fact that you even remotely think a H3 will handle better than a Denali

and the fact that you don't

Originally Posted by HummBebe

Depends on what you mean by "handle"??? Cornering??? Hiway Ride??? What???

Originally Posted by PARAGON

it does everything better than an H3 on the Highway, as far as handling is concerned.

But the same can be said for the Denali and the H2, the regular Yukon, a pickup, the Expedition, Excursion, and most other truck based vehicles.

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

paragon, I'd like to understand what you mean. Could you give some examples of your expectations of good handling on the highway? Or maybe a few situations where the driving characteristics of the other trucks is superior to the H3? Personal experience or objective reports would be great.

Originally Posted by glowrider

Greetings. New to the board, just found it this morning in fact. I previously owned a GMC Yukon Denali and I hated how it drove, though I loved the comfortable ride. I now have an '06 BMW M5 but need something for the winter. I'm tossed up between the H3 and the Wrangler, but I'm 90% sure I'll go for a Yellow H3 (bare bones package, just want it for bad weather and getting to some more remote spots [I'm a photographer]).

Anyway, I am searching for some opinions (I'm currently in Ecuador on assignment, will be back next week and scheduled for a test drive, but I'm too damn excited to not ask some silly newbish questions that will probably be replied with 'go test drive one' so please keep that in mind).

1) Is the H3 tighter than the Denali? My Yukon was a pig in slush. But on the same note, does it ride as smoothly, or more harsh? Mostly going to be on the streets in NYC and out to Jersey or LI sometimes. Frequently to upstate NY though.

2) I HATE Potamkin in Manhattan. I feel dirty when I walk in there. Anyone have a great Hummer dealer in the tri-state area? I don't mind using Potamkin for service as it is 20 blocks from home, but I don't want to lease from them.

3) Is there any point in trying to negotiate beyond what a GMID would get me on a lease? I'm looking for an '06 or '07 in Yellow with black and a manual tranny, hope they're easy to find.

Thank you guys for understanding that I'm just too excited at this point and in no position to actually go call or visit a dealer (although it would be great to have one here at 12,000 feet in the Andes)...

David

Originally Posted by glowrider

My Yukon Denali drove like mush. The worst driving experience I've ever had in a truck. My ex's Envoy Denali, however, was much better.

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I didn't say the other trucks were superior to the H3. I said that the Denali was superior to most truck based vehicles in the handling department.

Originally Posted by PARAGON

That's from vast experience. I've owned one since 2001 and have driven nearly all of the other vehicles. Get your heads out of your collective asses. The Denali is made for the road, period. It's Ok for it to drive better.

Geezus

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Yes you did, "it does everything better than an H3 on the Highway, as far as handling is concerned. But the same can be said for the Denali and the H2, the regular Yukon, a pickup, the Expedition, Excursion, and most other truck based vehicles"

... Unless you meant that the Denali is superior to itself on the highway, which is meaningless.

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Yes you did, "it does everything better than an H3 on the Highway, as far as handling is concerned. But the same can be said for the Denali and the H2, the regular Yukon, a pickup, the Expedition, Excursion, and most other truck based vehicles"

... Unless you meant that the Denali is superior to itself on the highway, which is meaningless.



I appreciate that you have personal experience with driving a Yukon Denali. Could you elaborate on the specific aspects of its highway handling which are better than the H3? This is an honest question. I've never driven a Denali and I am curious about your opinion.

Originally Posted by PARAGON

mush
?noun
1. meal, esp. cornmeal, boiled in water or milk until it forms a thick, soft mass, or until it is stiff enough to mold into a loaf for slicing and frying.
2. any thick, soft mass.
3. mawkish sentimentality or amorousness.
4. anything unpleasantly or contemptibly lacking in coherence, force, dignity, etc.: His entire argument was simply mush.

?verb (used with object)
5. to squeeze or crush; crunch: to mush all the candy together in a sticky ball.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1665?75, Americanism; obscurely akin to mash1]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, ? Random House, Inc. 2006.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source

?verb (used without object)
1. to go or travel, esp. over snow with a dog team and sled.

?verb (used with object)
2. to drive or spur on (sled dogs or a sled drawn by dogs).

?interjection
3. go! (used as an order to start or speed up a dog team)

?noun
4. a trip or journey, esp. across snow and ice with a dog team.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1895?1900; perh. orig. as phrasal v. mush on! < CanF, F marchons! let's go!; see march1]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, ? Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source

v. mushed, mush?ing, mush?es
v. intr.
To travel, especially over snow with a dogsled.

v. tr.
To drive (a dogsled or team of dogs).

n.
A journey, especially by dogsled.

interj.
Used to command a team of dogs to begin pulling or move faster.


[Possibly alteration of French marchons, first person pl. imperative of marcher, to walk, go, from Old French. See march1.]
musher n.

The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source

n.
A thick porridge or pudding of cornmeal boiled in water or milk.
Something thick, soft, and pulpy.

Informal.
Mawkish sentimentality, affection, or amorousness.

tr.v. mushed, mush?ing, mush?es
To reduce to mush; mash or crush.


[Probably alteration of mash.]

The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright ? 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
WordNet - Cite This Source

mush

n
1: any soft or soggy mass; "he pounded it to a pulp" [syn: pulp]
2: cornmeal boiled in water [syn: cornmeal mush]
3: an expression that is excessively sweet and sentimental [syn: treacle]
4: a journey by dogsled

v
1: drive (a team of dogs or a dogsled)
2: travel with a dogsled

WordNet? 2.0, ? 2003 Princeton University
Free On-line Dictionary of Computing - Cite This Source



MUSH

1. <games> Multi-User Shared Hallucination.
2. <messaging> Mail Users' Shell.


The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, ? 1993 Denis Howe
Acronym Finder - Cite This Source
MUSH

MUSH: in Acronym Finder

Acronym Finder, ? 1988-2004 Mountain Data Systems
On-line Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source
mush

mush: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary

On-line Medical Dictionary, ? 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source
mush [maʃ] noun

something soft and wet
Example: The potatoes have turned to mush after being boiled for so long. Arabic: شَيءٌ ناعِم ورَطْب
Chinese (Simplified): 糊状物
Chinese (Traditional): 糊狀物
Czech: ka?e
Danish: gr?d
Dutch: brij
Estonian: sodi
Finnish: sose
French: bouillie
German: der Brei
Greek: πολτός,χυλός
Hungarian: p?p
Icelandic: ?ykkt mauk
Indonesian: bubur
Italian: poltiglia
Japanese: どろどろしたもの
Korean: 걸죽한 것, 물컹한 것
Latvian: kaut kas mīksts un slapj?, putra
Lithuanian: ko?ė
Norwegian: gr?tet masse
Polish: papka
Portuguese (Brazil): papa
Portuguese (Portugal): papa
Romanian: piure
Russian: кашица
Slovak: ka?a
Slovenian: ka?a
Spanish: papilla, pasta
Swedish: mos, r?ra, gr?t, s?rja
Turkish: l?pa

Originally Posted by Mr. I - Man

Still got alot time on your hands. Need a job?:giggling:

Originally Posted by PARAGON

No.

I have no desire now, nor ever to waste time in attempt to validate anything to, most especially you. My opinion is what it is. Should you not believe it, fine. I really don't give 2 sh!ts because the effect my opinion has on you raises about as much concern to me as an ant fart.

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

(in reference to paragon)

NO !

not sure he likes himself...

RYD

thank goodness for the ignore list

Originally Posted by PARAGON

that.... really............... really........ r e a l l y..........................

doesn't hurt, coming from you.

Originally Posted by Poopy

You're the ugly kid, only Albert Camus could love.....

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

i like an Escalade with 26 inch wheels and a whole lot of bling ;)

Originally Posted by Poopy

You're the ugly kid, only Albert Camus could love.....

Originally Posted by PARAGON

No.

I have no desire now, nor ever to waste time in attempt to validate anything to, most especially you. My opinion is what it is. Should you not believe it, fine. I really don't give 2 sh!ts because the effect my opinion has on you raises about as much concern to me as an ant fart.

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

:lame:

It's the same old story. You jump on a thread, make fun of someone's opinion or choice of words, do something ridiculous - like define it for him in umpteen languages - to show how educated you are, state high-minded opinions you don't support and then refuse to answer legitimate questions about it ... as if you're above all this mundane chatter. But all you really are in the end is an arrogant, hypocritical troll.

Your health condition isn't your fault, but your attitude and behavior is. You're a smart guy ... so share what you know about wheeling and mechanics, take pride in helping someone out, offer people some encouragement, enjoy their passion for hummers, and for god's sake don't take yourself so seriously.

You have a lot you could offer this forum, and there's a lot you could be learning. Don't waste your intelligence and experience on worthless insults and negativity. Life's too short. The people who know you seem to respect you ... give the rest of us a reason to.

Originally Posted by H3PAC

LOL Attachment 33712