Do you think that they are okay or do you think they diminish the Hummer namebrand by rebaging GM products and posing them as "real" hummers?

They serve a purpose but rebranded GM products they are not. Plus they are a stepping stone for many. I know of a number of instenses where people have bought H2's and either sold them to buy an H1 or have bought an H1 in addition to the H2.

Another thing that is interesting is the during the Paragon event this year I met a guy that sold his H2 when he got home from last years trip because he realized that he really wanted an H1. One guy broke his H2 and the rest of the trip was comparing H1 styles to replace his H2 with. I guess he told the dealer give me a price for a trade.

As a newcomer to the HUMMER brand, I have to say that I have always admired both the H1 and H2. I will always want an H1 and when I stop driving 30,000+ miles per year, I will definitely own one.
The H3 seves a purpose for me.It can be my daily driver, my kids can fit in it, and I can park it in the city.
For now it will have to do, and I can say I am completely satisfied, it is absolutely a HUMMER!

Don't forget to wave

I am looking forward to the GM 24-test drive if it ever comes out for the H3. I would really like to see how parking it is going to be. Parking an H1 is easier than most any vehicle that I have driven. More spaces in the city for an H1 than an H2 also. H1 fits in garage whereas an H2 might not. Not sure how if any shorter the H3 is to the H1.

You can view a side by side comparison on Hummer.com (GM website) Very cool, it gives a great perspective.
But still, I'd rather pay 45K for something I am going to drive into the ground at 30k miles a year than some thing I'd spend 150k on. To each his own, and I will own one some day!

I'm not against the idea of smaller, less offroad capable, more mainstream HUMMERs at all. I am disappointed at the execution though, the H2 and H3 could have been so much better IMO.

Actually, at one point, I was seriously considering and H1.

But the more I realized the H2s capabilities on and off road, I couldn't justify logic(Not money) for IMHO downgrading to an H1. It's not a slam.

With the introduction to the H3 an equal if not better performer than the H1. The justification to buying an H1 becomes ridiculous.

GM hasn't done the H1 any favours by introducing the H2 and now the H3. People are starting to look at the H1 with more ridicule considering the fact that on and off road in whole, the H2 and H3 outperforms the H1 and the price difference is huge. I know money shouldn't be the issue, but that's what the unsuspecting public thinks.


Not a slam, just an observation.

One question for you H1 drivers (great vehicle)

How many miles to your local Hummer dealer/service before the H2 and H3


How many miles to your local Hummer dealer/service after the H2 and H3

HURF

The original number of dealers for Hummer (AM General) was much smaller then the GM/Hummer dealer network. There were no dealers in Abq for years after the original one went away. H1 owners could take their truck to a Buick dealer in town that had an authorized tech. Very strange but alot of H1 owners did low miles or had trucks driven alot of miles for service.

I know it wasn't a slam but a lot of people have left the H2 and went to the H1.

The H1 is more comfortable to drive. Not a slam on the H2 just my observation.

Not to mention unusual frequency for repair service.

It's NOT a slam. But with the H2 and H3 out. You'll just be paying for the H1 badge. Not it's off road prowess.

I've never been in a situation where I've said,

" Man! If I had an H1, I wouldn't have gotten stuck!"

Or

"****! If I had an H1, I could have made it up that hill!"

Reason being, most of us here are confident we can ride with H1s and keep up or in some cases surpass. Mabye machine, mabye driver. Nevertheless, The H2 and H3s are HUMMERS by right, and because of it's price, more superior. Definitely more bang for the buck.

The majority of people on this board can easily make the switch to an H1. There's a reason they don't and it's definitely NOT about the money. For me, I don't see why I should. My H2 takes me were I want to go more reliably and comfortably than the H1. On or off road.

I don't want this to become some heated Bish is a ****head type post so FYI, it's just one mans opinion.

Does it diminish law when you dispense info without a license?

You're kidding, right?

uh, my H2 was much more comfortable that my H1...

K

...but I drive my Road King HD as my daily driver...

K

Ironically, I also find the pre-2004 H1's seats far better support wise than the H2's....at least for me.

This must be a joke by Prey .

Each vehicle has it's pluses and minuses. I couldn't imagine driving an H1 to Moab from the Right Coast. But I'll do it in an H2. I also know there's not much I won't be able to do once there. Just check out the vids.

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Which part. The comfort or the people switching. I drove an H2 before I got my truck and I just couldn't get comfortable. Maybe it is too big for me I don't know. But I waited 0 years for a Hummer and maybe my mind was saying if you waited 10 years why change to a different vehicle.

What is that supposed to mean.

I hope that the "next" Hummers will be either of these concepts:

1. The Open Top Adventurer - similar to a Land Rover D-90 type of vehicle - no frills, open top, smaller than an H1 but bigger than a jeep, highly capable (lockers/suspension or retro-fittable), soft top, simple design, off-road capable, with at least 35" tires. Everything about it is durable - rhino lined interior & waterproof seats stock!

2. A MEAN "hummer-esque" looking BIG full size pickup w/ a Duramax to compete with Dodge Cummins & F250 Powerstroke & GM full size pick-ups.

I think the Hummers that GM is producing now (H2, H3) are about getting as much market share as possible, (the suv is the hottest segment) and you can hardly fault a car company for wanting to sell cars.

My .02 for what it's worth...

If the H2 came from the factory with a Duramax engine rated at 350HP, in a slant back version and with the suspension setup of an H1 then I might consider buying another H2. My experience with my H2 has been that it is underpowered and underengineered and I can't run the biodiesel we are now producing in it...

Reading all your posts on many threads (not just this one) I get the impression H1 guys are pretty upset at H2s and H3s. why ? maybe their are upset they paid a lot of money for a Hummer only to see it it being almost equalled by a 50K or a 35K smaller Hummer.

I must admit, before my H3, I used to drive a Chevy Blazer ZR2, which is a very capable offroad vehicle (http://www.zr2.com) then GM in an effort to boost Daewoo sales rebadged a few small cars with a Chevy badge (http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo/ ) that kind of upset me too, because I used to be proud to say I drive a CHEVY, then a wuss with 8K die-cast look alike can EQUALLY say : I drive a Chevy.

So I can understand the frustration the H1 guys are going through. having said that, what would you guys think if AMG was NOT owned by GM and it came up with the H2 and H3, would it be any different than the H2/H3 GM came up with ?

As an experienced offroader, also having driven all 3 Hummers, I can tell you out of experience, the H2 and H3 sometimes, in certain rare cases (not in general) they outperform the H1. Specially when the offroad situation requires a light vehicle, the H1 is simply TOOOOO HEAVY.

There's a rumor going around that for 2007, GM will be introducing either a supercharged H3 or a V8 based H3. if that ever comes out, you can bet it will outperform the H1 in any situation.

the H1 however, is better in terms of space and storage. the H1 is more like an offroad Mbile-Home. which is good in a way.

Summary : when comparing the H1 to the H2/H3, you are not comparing apples with apples here. you are talking about a manufacturer who built different vehicles for different applications. Do you use a chainsaw to cut an orange? similarly do you use a kitchen knife to cut down an oak tree ?

Remember, the H1 was designed for Military purposes, even the Military is designing a range of assault Buggies, this is not to replace the H1, but each vehicle has its applications depending on the situation at hand. The assult buggy is fast-attack vehicle with minimum personnel and armament, let alone armor, whereas the HUMVEE is a multipurpose, hard armored personeel carrier (more than 7 people with full gear).

Dopnt compare apples with oranges, they're BOTH useful.

SledgeHummer

I just got back from a trip to seattle where I got a chance to see up close an H1 and H3. For me, the H3 is a little small, especially in the back seat. Just can't haul enough with it... The H1, surprised me as to how cramped I felt when I sat in it. (the alpha is definately an improvement). I was kind of disappointed with both...I'm happy with my H2...still hoping to get an H1 soon...probably not as soon as before...

<span class="ev_code_BLUE"> You're kidding me right ?? you MUST be kidding . It's obvious you're talking about a HEAVILY modified Jeep that outperforms the Hummer. See... my opinion was based on OEM H1s, H2s and H3s.

I AM comparing apples with apples. and in doing so, you are trying to tell me an OEM Jeep (with its 29' tires) can outperform a Hummer ?? where the heck did you see that ?? I mean....how? ...who?...Heeee?....Huuuuu?? ...I'm speechless here, help me out....

Jeeps have a "ground-breaking" clearance, I call it ground-breaking because it's so low the bumper literally tries to break the ground. Jeepers have a saying : "a Jeep is built and never bought" . it's like Daimler-Chrysler is telling customers : we'll givve you the chassis, engine and body...and you figure out the rest

Hummers are almost perfect right out of the production line (I say again : ALMOST). so please dont compare Jeeps to Hummers. Even thinking about this comparison is horrible to me....YUKK!!!

Anyway, getting back to the original subject, H1 vs H2/H3. Thanks for the comments, but you didnt give out an opinion. what I would like to know from reading all posts in this thread, I sense that H1 guys are frustrated at H2/H3, I wanna know why ??

SledgeHummer</span>

<span class="ev_code_BLUE"> You're kidding me right ?? you MUST be kidding . It's obvious you're talking about a HEAVILY modified Jeep that outperforms the Hummer. See... my opinion was based on OEM H1s, H2s and H3s.

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Read my post again. What I was trying to show is that you were saying an H3 might be able out perform an H1 in some cases. That was the apples to oranges statement I made. I just added the Jeep (ALSO) line.

" <span class="ev_code_RED">There's a rumor going around that for 2007, GM will be introducing either a supercharged H3 or a V8 based H3. if that ever comes out, you can bet it will outperform the H1 in any situation.</span>"

As for my opinion I think most of the frustration comes from this statement that I have heard from countless people that I have met (no one hear btw just people in public), "I have always wanted a Hummer, so when the H2 came out I was able to get one." Someone who waits 10 years (like I did) to buy the truck they wanted and then bought an H2 or H3. There is nothing wrong with that but it almost gives the impression that some just wanted the name plate. There is nothing wrong with it, it just happens. Again this is my observation from people I meet out in public that have no clue what Hummer ownership is about and not the people that I know on-line and have wheeled with.

This has been some intresting reading, normally I would have closed out the topic with 2 pages of posts but I've read every single post and enjoyed them all. If anyone cares

There are two diferent types of owners.

The ones who buy the H2/H3 just for the name. They have no clue of REAL Hummer ownership.

Then ther are those who initially wanted an entry Hummer(H2) but realized the H2 wasn't entry at all. It rivaled the H1 but for half the price and superior in more ways.

I did just that. I wanted to ease my way into the Hummer brand by buying the H2 and progress my way to an H1.

I was totally wrong. I'll never buy an H1 mainly because the H2 is far superior overall.

If you buy an H1, your spending twice the money just for the badge itself. Face it, most H1 owners I know are just like H2 owners. Some wheel em and the majority don't. The only diference is H2 owners got the better buy.

H1, H2, H3, they are pretty much equally capable. How much you want to spend all matters in how much of a statement you want to make.

[quote]Originally posted by HammerH2:
There are two diferent types of owners.

The ones who buy the H2/H3 just for the name. They have no clue of REAL Hummer ownership.

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Whats wrong with that! I mean Hummers are awesome trucks. As far as "real hummer ownership" man, its just a truck not a religion.

I also own a porsche just because its a porsche brand. I bought it because i like it so as my H3

just my two cents

H1 stats: Ground Clearance, Approach/Departure Angles, Winch, CTIS, 37" Tires, Diesel, etc... and the fact you can get a 2002 H1 with low miles for almost $6-10K less than a 2006 H2 Fully Loaded... Trust me I love my H2 even with all it's shortcomings but I will be getting an H1 when my H2 is paid off...

This is exactly opposite of my case. I was so glad when the H2 arrived I sprinted to the dealer to buy one. I kept my H1 for several months to check the off road capabilities of the H2, then it was gone. The H2 is far more comfortable, powerful, roomy & as capable in all "SUV" activities. Sure my H1 was superior in certain hard core off road situations I faced but inferior in every on road venue, LOL.
Now that I've driven an Alpha 1 the power problem with H1's is history & the latest interiors are more comfortable, still no room though. I'm missing the open top however & am going to buy an Alpha 1 soon. But it won't displace my H2, it's a keeper until GM drops the Duramax package in the H2.

Really, whats the point of these kind of topics? These topics always come up every couple month or so, on this forum and humvee.net, and the H1 and H2 guys never agree, it just further divides HUMMER owners. Be happy with what you bought, thats all that matters.

Amen to that!


But let's get realistic here. Over there on the silly Bish site, they can bash, ridicule, and insult the H2 freely.

The moment anything is said about the H1, even valid statements, it gets removed or edited and the user banned.

THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIVISION.

I think it is the opposite for H1 owners. There are a handful of good people. But the majority I think are insecure *******s that feel threatened by the H2's presence.

Humvee.net is dying for a reason while this Forum flourishes and expands. Free diologue.

Ok, be happy with what you bought AND the forum you choose to particpate in!

HUMMER on!

OK fair enough.

How is Hummernetwork.com dyeing. I don't see it. We have been around since '96 and still going strong.

I have never seen anyone get banned except for gator bill. Havn't seen posts get edited either. Jason deleted one of my posts hear because is said. Hummer Club. We have free dialog on hummer network also we just don't talk politics or porn and keep it family friendly. There is nother wrong with either forum. They both serve a purpose.

well I went from the H2 to the H1 and Im glad I made the jump, How many times are they gonna water down the Beast? I got tired of you H1 people (now my H1 family,,shineing me on oh ,,,and the stickers that said I **** H2's now I cant find any H2's anywhere is it because they avoid the Beast?
and yes my H2 was great,,,but had to have the real deal!

So, what you are saying is that the H2/3 is not the real deal? LMAO! They have the HUMMER logo on the H2/3, so it must be.

Lawdog is a dumbass. It's clear from her posts.
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=u...1&u=5131096931

BTW, no pics, no proof.. etc. Just BS. But I guess she'll find a pic to post now.