Now you can see why that evasive commie fellator wouldn't release his college transcripts. Lying horse face.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.

Now you can see why that evasive commie fellator wouldn't release his college transcripts. Lying horse face.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Heard it on Hannity yesterday. I love it!

oOOOOOOH! But he is so "intelligent" and "pensive".

MY WARMONGERING ASS HE IS!

Goddamn backstabbing lying ****ing traitorous opportunistic prick!

We should have hung him from his ****ing heels and gutted him like the elitist pig he is back in '71, the ****!

Whew! I feel better now...thanks.

Dave

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
oOOOOOOH! But he is so "intelligent" and "pensive".

MY WARMONGERING ASS HE IS!

Goddamn backstabbing lying ****ing traitorous opportunistic prick!

We should have hung him from his ****ing heels and gutted him like the elitist pig he is back in '71, the ****!

Whew! I feel better now...thanks.

Dave </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, Dave, that blue streak even made ME feel better -- well put!

K

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
oOOOOOOH! But he is so "intelligent" and "pensive".

MY WARMONGERING ASS HE IS!

Goddamn backstabbing lying ****ing traitorous opportunistic prick!

We should have hung him from his ****ing heels and gutted him like the elitist pig he is back in '71, the ****!

Whew! I feel better now...thanks.

Dave </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, Dave, that blue streak even made ME feel better -- well put!

K </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Tell us how you really feel.

It was so sweet when the numbers were in, and Bush won reelection. I got to the point where I could not take Kerry's BS anymore.

Makes me think of this classic:

http://www.jibjab.com/162.html

"...At least I won Three Purple Hearts!"

Yea, right. What a fraud....

I was just glad we didn't have to go through all that cry baby BS we went through 4 years earlier. With the hurricanes I don't think my state could have handled that last year

Someone else surfaced today as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8142785/

He is such a **** BAG

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Someone else surfaced today as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8142785/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dean states: "...Republicans ... are a pretty monolithic party"

WTF?? Now I'm a monolith...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Someone else surfaced today as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8142785/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dean states: "...Republicans ... are a pretty monolithic party"

WTF?? Now I'm a monolith... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>On some planet, somewhere, where the monkeys are learning to use tools. "David, will I dream?"

X-Mass at Kerry's house....

Seems most of us on own Hummers, or want to, have a similar political persuasion....

L.A. Times ran an 11 paragraph article today about the release of Kerry's Navy records. NEVER MENTIONED HIS GRADES.

I cancelled my subscription to that rag when they tried to torpedo Arnold just before the recall election.

George SSSS

I really feel sorry for all of you down in California... (no I don't).

What an idiot.

Here is Elmer Fudd those idiots have been looking for!!

Here is another idiot!!

I am glad he invented the internet or we wouldn't be able to post stuff like this on these threads.

Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2GuyPerson:
Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Another stellar post.....NOT, LOL

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2GuyPerson:
Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh man, you so-called sensitive open-minded socialist ****wad liberals take the cake. You can't see through your inane vitriolic prejudice and acknowledge your *coughcoughLIARcoughTRAITORcough* "hero" is nothing more than a sham, a flimflam, a charlatan. No no, you resort to un-PC namecalling (tard? come now, are you 12?) instead. How typical. Face it Loser, Bush took you sissys down twice, and your party is one of degenerates and shills with bad facelifts sans any idea or direction.

I thank God Gore wasn't in (and I'm agnostic) or we'd be lobbing platitudes at the terrorists instead of Paveway 2000 pounders.

Flame on ****wad.

BTW, did I say I despise liberals?

Liberal = Socialist

Proven time and again to be the philosophy of Losers and Tyrants.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2GuyPerson:
Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shouldn't you be out cleaning your real car? Stupid ass.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2GuyPerson:
Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh man, you so-called sensitive open-minded socialist ****wad liberals take the cake. You can't see through your inane vitriolic prejudice and acknowledge your *coughcoughLIARcoughTRAITORcough* "hero" is nothing more than a sham, a flimflam, a charlatan. No no, you resort to un-PC namecalling (tard? come now, are you 12?) instead. How typical. Face it Loser, Bush took you sissys down twice, and your party is one of degenerates and shills with bad facelifts sans any idea or direction.

I thank God Gore wasn't in (and I'm agnostic) or we'd be lobbing platitudes at the terrorists instead of Paveway 2000 pounders.

Flame on ****wad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Man, you've got to stop holding back. You'll get constipated.

DRTY, where's the pic of the chick? I can't find it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:

Liberal = Socialist </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The way I see it, you should take that one step further in the case of Hanoi John...

LIEberal = Communist

The party is a mixed bag of fringe kooks: Stalinist-Marxist apologists, Terrorist-Loving Traitors, Christian-Bashing Demogogues, America-Hating faux patriots, Baby-Killing Deathmongers, and gun-grabbing sociopaths.

When the light of truth hits them, they scurry like rodents. That's why they call it the democRAT party, the enemy that would erode our freedom from within.

In case anyone has doubts...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by funpilot:
Seems most of us on own Hummers, or want to, have a similar political persuasion.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's because those who can afford to get a Hummer or at least seriously consider one have worked for the financial freedom to do so. The other side tends to be those who don't want to work for anything and those of us who have worked for a decent life style to pay for everything they want. They need to get of their f*ing lazy asses and maybe they too can get a Hummer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2GuyPerson:
Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't believe all these idiot that call Bush stupid. Hey all you **** for brains, he became pres. You can't do that without some brains. How many of those calling him stupid made it that far. At least he is not a criminal like the last Dem Pres.

Sorry for the ranting

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Either way Bush is still a tard and Im betting his grades were BS anyway, I mean look at the dumb ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can't say anything nice, then at least have the decency to be vague.

If I was DRTYFN, I would reply to you with:

"Suck a fart out of my ass, you crud infested leg humper."

But I am not, so I won't.

I absolutely cannot believe Carter posing for a picture with Castro, someone who has oppressed an entire nation of people for more than 40 years. He probably would have posed with Hitler if he had had the chance.

George SSSS

GeorgeSSSS,

Here's another Commie-lib posing with Castro...

I'm so sick of this Left vs Right crap. Somewhere out there has to be a moderate majority, some people who don't just believe everything the parties put out. I mean if you criticize Bush, then you're some commie-wuss liberal who panders to Jesse Jackson. If you critcize Kerry or Dean then you're a KKK Nazi. It's all gotten too polarizing. Maybe everyone would be happy if the Red states formed their own country, and the blue states form another country.

That is somewhat true nowadays, the KKK Nazi thing is only voiced by you firm.

But yes, the conflict among our parties has made some issues black and white, when the real black and white issues are the good vs. evil in this world. - Better explained by Natan Sharansky in "The case for Democracy". And until pouting Dems realize the real issues, we will not have the strength of state we need to promote the good intentions we have as a nation.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm so sick of this Left vs Right crap. Somewhere out there has to be a moderate majority, some people who don't just believe everything the parties put out. I mean if you criticize Bush, then you're some commie-wuss liberal who panders to Jesse Jackson. If you critcize Kerry or Dean then you're a KKK Nazi. It's all gotten too polarizing. Maybe everyone would be happy if the Red states formed their own country, and the blue states form another country. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was tried in 1861....Notwithstanding, your observations really generalize both sides, which is not an accurate picture either.

I agree with this observation:

"...the "partisan divide," you can simplify it. I think you could really cut to the chase and boil it all down by saying that the nature of the partisan divide today is, on the left you have a significant number of people who do not believe in this country. They just don't. They find fault with this country. They are trying desperately to change this country to accommodate whatever their version of values or whatever. They are not traditionalists. They're not interested in the past. They're not interested in the institutions and traditions that made the country great, such as the founding documents. They are more in favor of changing the Constitution. They're more in favor of blurring it and watering it down because it stands in the way of what they want.

The people on the other side of the divide -- you could call them conservatives, just for the sake of this conversation -- are actually formed, their foundation is the Constitution, and the Founding Documents, and the traditions, and the institutions that made this country great."

Regarding Castro, I hate his guts. However, there is nothing in this world like a good, aged Cuban Cigar (the Montichristo Edmundo is my favorite right now) and Cuban Rum.....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
I'm so sick of this Left vs Right crap. Somewhere out there has to be a moderate majority, some people who don't just believe everything the parties put out. I mean if you criticize Bush, then you're some commie-wuss liberal who panders to Jesse Jackson. If you critcize Kerry or Dean then you're a KKK Nazi. It's all gotten too polarizing. Maybe everyone would be happy if the Red states formed their own country, and the blue states form another country. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Bigot!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
I'm so sick of this Left vs Right crap. Somewhere out there has to be a moderate majority, some people who don't just believe everything the parties put out. I mean if you criticize Bush, then you're some commie-wuss liberal who panders to Jesse Jackson. If you critcize Kerry or Dean then you're a KKK Nazi. It's all gotten too polarizing. Maybe everyone would be happy if the Red states formed their own country, and the blue states form another country. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Bigot!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nazi!!! j/k
KenP- I should probably clarify that I meant not to call you a Bigot, but call you out on a Bigoted statement. By Bigot, I mean all the
-isms, not just racism.

Hart1- You made a very good observation. I would like to add a few thought provoking things. Not all the institutions of this country were great. It's been an evolutionary process. There has always been a tug-o-war between those who want things the way they use to be, and those who want to change almost everything. Historically speaking you must give the Non-traditionalist some credit, they are the reason we no longer have slavery, women can vote, the reason we made it through the Great Depression. There are pros and cons to being Progressive, and Conservative.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
I'm so sick of this Left vs Right crap. Somewhere out there has to be a moderate majority, some people who don't just believe everything the parties put out. I mean if you criticize Bush, then you're some commie-wuss liberal who panders to Jesse Jackson. If you critcize Kerry or Dean then you're a KKK Nazi. It's all gotten too polarizing. Maybe everyone would be happy if the Red states formed their own country, and the blue states form another country. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Bigot!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nazi!!! j/k
KenP- I should probably clarify that I meant not to call you a Bigot, but call you out on a Bigoted statement. By Bigot, I mean all the
-isms, not just racism. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I hate to do it... but I'll give you credit for getting the joke.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
...they are the reason we no longer have slavery, women can vote... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank God for Republicans, huh.

LOL!

You Americans arguing which pile of **** smells better.


*SIGH* Time to put that bloody flame suit on again.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
LOL!

You Americans arguing which pile of **** smells better.


*SIGH* Time to put that bloody flame suit on again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The one to the south! Didn't see that coming, did ya'.