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prplprowlr 09-24-2007 09:53 PM

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I thought i would post this and i was wondering if it might be a member here. Either way we are praying for both families involved. An rv was towing a H2 and somehow came free and swerved into oncoming traffic killing a driver of the truck it hit. Here is the link http://www.wpde.com/news/viewarticle.asp?view=6846

obzidian 09-24-2007 10:49 PM

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WOW!!

Though, i have never owned an RV, let alone tow with one; but, i still don't get why do most people trailer with reciever type instead of getting a full open trailer and get the car/truck off the four wheels.

Anyways, my prayers to those that were affected...

mikejr 09-24-2007 11:52 PM

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our thoughts and prayers are out to those involved....

Grizzy 09-24-2007 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by obzidian
WOW!!

Though, i have never owned an RV, let alone tow with one; but, i still don't get why do most people trailer with reciever type instead of getting a full open trailer and get the car/truck off the four wheels.

Anyways, my prayers to those that were affected...



Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Think I paid a little under 2k for my car/toy trailer. Axles underneath are 3.5k each, exceeding the capacity for what the trailer is rated for, atleast while hauling an H2. Of course, my H2 is what is doing the pulling, never being hauled. I'll bet the guy either broke the 2" ball which is unlikely but possible, considering they're not rated for loads over 6k, or had a tow bar that wasn't rated high enough for the H2. I've personally welded upgraded bull-dog trailer hitches and bigger safety chains on all 4 of my trailers. Use bigger and heavier duty ratchet straps for loads. When ya think you have your load all strapped and secured, add atleast 2 more straps. I take trailering/towing very seriously. Sad that all this happened to these families, but certainly could have been prevented.

dkhummerh2 09-25-2007 12:05 AM

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yeah i hear you. I have towed alot in my life. It is important to take your time and do things the right way.
dk

Big Z 09-25-2007 01:18 AM

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Well, Guess I'll pipe in again! :D

Flat towing is the BEST way! My 2 was the FIRST towed (prototype) for the roadMaster set up! I haven't read the link yet but I can Guarantee it was the RV/towed H2's fault!! :eek:

They most likely Didn't have a Brakeaway Installed OR A BRAKING SYSTEM!

Their's a LOT of ****Heads out there that that don't have the proper set-ups!

Big Z 09-25-2007 01:19 AM

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Gotta Have It! :mad:

I've been rollin for five years now!---Just left RoadMaster with a with a clean Bill oh Health!

If for some Stupid reason the Drag Chains Broke, the lock pin wasn't install or Broke! A pin is pulled and the Brakes in The 2's lock up!

This Guy's FKED!---And shouldn't be, or have been on the Road!!:rant: :rant: :mad:

Another thing, if the drags were installed!, and properly The H2 would have went the other direction!!

Grizzy 09-25-2007 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Well, Guess I'll pipe in again! :D

Flat towing is the BEST way! My 2 was the FIRST towed (prototype) for the roadMaster set up! I haven't read the link yet but I can Guarantee it was the RV/towed H2's fault!! :eek:

They most likely Didn't have a Brakeaway Installed OR A BRAKING SYSTEM!

Their's a LOT of ****Heads out there that that don't have the proper set-ups!



Nice setup. Think I'd still prefer a car hauler personally. Less money to replace tires & bearings on a car hauler than it would be the H2. Not to mention the extra wear/tear on the drivetrain of the H2; transfer case, front/rear diffs, etc.. Of course you'd get less fuel mileage out of the RV pulling the H2 on a trailer, but does it matter? You're only getting maybe 5-6mpg out of the RV to begin with?.?. AND, if the roadmaster did happen to fail, you still wind up with a 60k vehicle in a ditch, probably rolled over, and perhaps still cause one hell of a wreck behind you with other innocent folks. Not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand how a tow bar system of any brand would be safer than a trailer. Again, nice setup though.

mikejr 09-25-2007 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Gotta Have It! :mad:

I've been rollin for five years now!---Just left RoadMaster with a with a clean Bill oh Health!

If for some Stupid reason the Drag Chains Broke, the lock pin wasn't install or Broke! A pin is pulled and the Brakes in The 2's lock up!

This Guy's FKED!---And shouldn't be, or have been on the Road!!:rant: :rant: :mad:

Another thing, if the drags were installed!, and properly The H2 would have went the other direction!!


Big Z....where you from? There is a guy local to me here north of pittsburgh that tows a maroon H2 behind his RV.....your set up looks similar to the one I saw

Big Z 09-25-2007 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mikejr
Big Z....where you from? There is a guy local to me here north of pittsburgh that tows a maroon H2 behind his RV.....your set up looks similar to the one I saw


Or, Wa, Ca, Az, Nv, Ut.......For the most Part! :D

DRTYFN 09-25-2007 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Well, Guess I'll pipe in again! :D


After seeing this topic I was hoping you'd post up. I knew you'd have the best set up.

DennisAJC 09-25-2007 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Well, Guess I'll pipe in again! :D

Flat towing is the BEST way! My 2 was the FIRST towed (prototype) for the roadMaster set up! I haven't read the link yet but I can Guarantee it was the RV/towed H2's fault!! :eek:

They most likely Didn't have a Brakeaway Installed OR A BRAKING SYSTEM!

Their's a LOT of ****Heads out there that that don't have the proper set-ups!


That's the first thing I thought. Why didn't it have a brakeaway like yours. Sounds like the guy didn't properly invest in a tow set up.

Big Z 09-25-2007 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzy
Nice setup. Think I'd still prefer a car hauler personally. Less money to replace tires & bearings on a car hauler than it would be the H2. Not to mention the extra wear/tear on the drivetrain of the H2; transfer case, front/rear diffs, etc.. Of course you'd get less fuel mileage out of the RV pulling the H2 on a trailer, but does it matter? You're only getting maybe 5-6mpg out of the RV to begin with?.?. AND, if the roadmaster did happen to fail, you still wind up with a 60k vehicle in a ditch, probably rolled over, and perhaps still cause one hell of a wreck behind you with other innocent folks. Not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand how a tow bar system of any brand would be safer than a trailer. Again, nice setup though.


Thanks!

Where do I start! :yawn:

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Less money to replace tires & bearings on a car hauler than it would be the H2.

Does NOT Apply!...Haven't replaced them yet! Over 65K plus Towed Miles!

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Think I'd still prefer a car hauler personally.

Impossible with Most RV's!--ONLY!...ONLY!!-- Diesel Pushers with A 15K Hitch Have a Shot @ the car Hauler thing, And Gross Combined Rating!

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Not to mention the extra wear/tear on the drivetrain of the H2; transfer case, front/rear diffs, etc..

It's in Neutral (T/Case)...Just Rolling Along! :)

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You're only getting maybe 5-6mpg out of the RV to begin with?.?.

Actually Closer to 10---If I keep My friggin foot off the fuel! and roll 60/65! :D Again Diesel Pusher!

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AND, if the roadmaster did happen to fail, you still wind up with a 60k vehicle in a ditch, probably rolled over, and perhaps still cause one hell of a wreck

Not with out a 1/4 Mil plus coach laying beside it!! :D

1.) towbar has a 10K rating
2.) Brake Master--Air Proportional Braking System--
3.) Brakaway Installed!
4.) Drag Cables installed correctly
5.) I DON'T Play RoadMaster Happens to Fail!---My Chit Works!--I do what it takes to make er SAFE!! :shhh:

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just trying to understand how a tow bar system of any brand would be safer than a trailer.

Pro's----NONE!

Cons
1.) to much weight--Example, Car hauler rated @ 7K--Trailer Wt.=2400Lb, your payload would be 4600Lbs--H2 dry=6400
2.) Would be burning up a LOT of Brake pads or worst!
3.) Parking/ stroage
4.) MUST have a Big Rig to use,--A 15K hitch and enough GCWR to handle
5.) Would look like Chit!:D

johndjmix1 09-25-2007 05:07 AM

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I do more and bigger towing with my RV than anyone I know. Like you guys said, first thing is you MUST have a breakaway device. Here in NY its required!

My new trailer (Should be finished in a few weeks) weighs 8,500lbs empty and 18,500lbs fully loaded to the max. I have spent hours of work and thousands of dollars on a camera system, breakway system, rewiring the RV with 10 Gauge brake wire, and im even fabricating a system with a buzzer that warns me if the brake controler loses power.

Got to be safe, especiallly when pulling somthing over 3,000lbs.

--John

Big Z 09-25-2007 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DennisAJC
That's the first thing I thought. Why didn't it have a brakeaway like yours. Sounds like the guy didn't properly invest in a tow set up.


Ding! Ding!! :)

obzidian 09-25-2007 05:46 AM

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one thing, I'm not understanding your numbers...

"to much weight--Example, Car hauler rated @ 7K--Trailer Wt.=2400Lb, your payload would be 4600Lbs--H2 dry=6400"

First, when you say car hauler, is that the actually R/V or a car hauler like a trailer? If the latter, what kind of open or even a enclosed trailer, weighs 7k?

And lastly, the payload, is that the weight in the r/v, total, or again, on the trailer with the h2?

Anyways, your setup does look pretty impressive.... i've never towed with a r/v like that so this is a learning experience...

Big Z 09-25-2007 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by obzidian
one thing, I'm not understanding your numbers...

"to much weight--Example, Car hauler rated @ 7K--Trailer Wt.=2400Lb, your payload would be 4600Lbs--H2 dry=6400"

First, when you say car hauler, is that the actually R/V or a car hauler like a trailer? If the latter, what kind of open or even a enclosed trailer, weighs 7k?

And lastly, the payload, is that the weight in the r/v, total, or again, on the trailer with the h2?

Anyways, your setup does look pretty impressive.... i've never towed with a r/v like that so this is a learning experience...


In the Example I used, The car Hauler is rated @ 7,000 pounds, if the Hauler/trailer weighs 2400 pounds empty, what you can put on it (car/payload) must Not exceed 4600 Pounds!----- 4600 + 2400=7000

Nothing to do with the RV! :)

Grizzy 09-25-2007 06:21 AM

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The guy in the RV should go to P R I S O N for 20yrs, 5yrs for INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, and 15yrs for BEING AN IDIOT!

:twak:

Big Z 09-25-2007 06:36 AM

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Here's another Example for ya! ;)

My hauler is rated for 10K, (9,950) Curd Weight = 4,732 Paylosd can be 5,218 Pounds

Tongue Weight is Maxed @ 1000 Pounds On most rigs---475 is speced! on this set up

Grizzy 09-25-2007 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Here's another Example for ya! ;)

My hauler is rated for 10K, (9,950) Curd Weight = 4,732 Paylosd can be 5,218 Pounds

Tongue Weight is Maxed @ 1000 Pounds On most rigs---475 is speced! on this set up



NICE SETUP!!!! I LIKE I LIKE I LIKE!!!

:excited:

Big Z 09-25-2007 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzy
I was using my car hauling trailer as an example. I know it's not sufficient 'by law' to haul a H2. Perhaps 5.2k or even 6k trailer axles would be more than sufficient. Anyways, I have to vent some more on the tow bar system. What kind of idiot would put a $60k H2 behind a fu**ing tow bar???? I don't care how fancy your tow bar/remote brake trigger setup is, anything goes wrong, you're H2 goes in the ditch AND/OR somebody STILL gets killed! I've personally never seen anybody do this. Usually its the jeep being pulled behind the RV, or the occasional station wagon, but never a 6k lb H2! Hell the H2 should be on a car trailer lined with silver and gold with a custom cover! I'm thinking a custom BAT trailer out of Fort Worth with 6k lb axles, with a 2 5/8 12k bulldog hitch. That would get'er done!

The guy in the RV should go to P R I S O N for 20yrs, 5yrs for INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, and 15yrs for BEING AN IDIOT!

:twak:



Set Back and LEARN something Youngster! Or STFU!! :twak: :twak: Try to Comprehend what's been typed, do a little research on your own if you CAN'T get it!

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What kind of idiot would put a $60k H2 behind a fu**ing tow bar????
People that Know a Chitload more than You!! :giggling:
Like I said Earlier!..... I'm the FIRST FKN IDIOT TO DO IT! :twak:...and have been since 02! :popcorn: ;)

obzidian 09-25-2007 07:04 AM

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Gotcha!!! :)

This is my featherlite. I love this tailer. The side 5 foot door with the rear door make it a great trailer for load atv's, snow mobiles, my camaro and gear if i need to go to a track.. etc. Not to mention the v front, it helps out great when hauling it.

ITs gross weight is about 9,600. The trailer weighs about 3500 so i can stuff alot of toys in there!

Big Z 09-25-2007 07:08 AM

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NICE SETUP!!!! I LIKE I LIKE I LIKE!!!

:excited:


Thanks! I pull it behind the Camper Also!

Another Big Z Custom in the works! :giggling: :D

Grizzy 09-25-2007 07:35 AM

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:lame:

Big Z 09-25-2007 08:40 AM

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Big Z,

Simple question from the 'youngster that apparently doesn't know CHIT',,,

Other than being cheap, and you being lazy, name ONE advantage to a tow bar over using a good car hauler to haul an H2 behind an RV?

Maybe an old stupid fu**er like yourself should help educate stupid 'chits' like me instead of making dumba$$ comments like::

"Set Back and LEARN something Youngster! Or STFU!! Try to Comprehend what's been typed, do a little research on your own if you CAN'T get it!

People that Know a Chitload more than You!!
"



Instead of making senseless remarks to cover you being the biggest a-hole in the forums, try reading this topic yourself, again, and try answering a few questions. Other than being cheap and lazy, I dare you to come up with one good reason to use a tow bar over a car hauler to pull an H2 behind an RV.

:lame:


LOL That's some funny $hit there!! :giggling:

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Other than being cheap and lazy, I dare you to come up with one good reason to use a tow bar over a car hauler to pull an H2 behind an RV.

There is NOTHING Cheap about a Properly set up Towing System!!

1.GOOD REASON) IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO TOW AN H2 BEHIND AN RV-- ONE THAT IS CAPABLE!, THAT IS!!


Reasons NOT to use a Car Hauler!

1.) IT'S ILLEGAL!
2.) IT'S UNSAFE!
3.) YOU WOULD NEED A COMMERCIAL PLATE AND A TRANSPORT HAULER TO CARRY A 2!
4.) CAN'T BE USE BEHIND 99.9% OF RV'S! (length & weight limits)

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Maybe an old stupid fu**er like yourself should help educate stupid 'chits' like me instead of making dumba$$ comments like::


Been trying to do that through the WHOLE THREAD!!

You seem to be one that!...Just can't get it! :violin: Sry your Butt Hurt! lol:giggling:

Let's make it a little easier for you!

1.) Show the specs on your car hauler, or one you Think you can use.


2.) the tow Rig you will be pulling it with?

Then we type! ;)

Big Z 09-25-2007 08:45 AM

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Safe Crusin!

Grizzy 09-25-2007 09:12 AM

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:giggling: pathetic:giggling:

Grizzy 09-25-2007 10:09 AM

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:giggling: pathetic:giggling:

cya prick

Fastest H-Town Realtor 09-25-2007 04:32 PM

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Even though I have NO experience towing an H2 behind anything, I can see why the trailer option isn't viable thru Big Zs post. Understanding that he tows regularly, I imagine he would know what the laws and conditions are to tow this rig. Reread his post. AND, anytime you wish to contribute your personal towing experience Grizzy, feel free. So far I se nothing contributed, and nothing learned from your posts. :confused: And, by your own admission, your trailer system is over loaded with the 2-3500lb axles you sport, admit you don't trailer the H2, then go on to quote out " the law" for trailer specs as if it were not applicable to you. What is the total trailer weight with the H2 that rides on your 7K setup? Adding heavier duty axles to a light duty trailer is asking for disaster. Remember you saying that you would do that? Perhaps if you stopped taking an education as a personal attack, you would learn something.

And, FWIW, your last post makes me believe therapy may be a needed add to your weekly routine. Inferiority complex for one please!

Grizzy 09-25-2007 05:24 PM

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:fdance: :lame: :lame::lame: :fdance:

Big Z 09-25-2007 05:51 PM

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Great, Another Jesse Luving Hate Monger Troll that thinks they know something and Entitled to everything UNEARNED!

Just keep Flippin Them Bugers and The Dream of owning a Hummer Alive! :OWNED: :violin:


It's pretty obvious your just an AE FkTard, leaf lickin, Dip$hit, incapable of Comprehension!! :fdance:

Grizzy, You have Nothing to Offer here!...Go find a "lucky Your Momma Didn't Swallow!" forum, and feel fortunate! :jump:

Grizzy 09-25-2007 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Great, Another Jesse Luving Hate Monger Troll that thinks they know something and Entitled to everything UNEARNED!

Just keep Flippin Them Bugers and The Dream of owning a Hummer Alive!


It's pretty obvious your just an AE FkTard, leaf lickin, Dip$hit, incapable of Comprehension!!




LoL Old comebacks from an old fat fart like yourself! Didn't really expect much, didn't get much! Damn I was just being sarcastic, didn't know that you 'really' didn't have a clue! Wow, I pegged that one! :fdance:


Flippin them burgers must be doing me good!

Heres my Hummer ya lame a$$ fag, and boy am I alive!!

http://www.atvparkvideo.com/hummer/hummer.wmv

:fdance:

:fdance:

:fdance:

:giggling: you're pathetic :giggling:

Grizzy 09-25-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Z
Great, Another Jesse Luving Hate Monger Troll that thinks they know something and Entitled to everything UNEARNED!




I'll admit one thing, I have no clue what a 'Jesse luving hate monger troll' is! Can you please enlighten me? Or will asking another question get my a$$ jumped again for no reason!?!?!?

Oh, and leave the momma's out of this. Wives are fair game though! :fdance:

DennisAJC 09-25-2007 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzy
I'll admit one thing, I have no clue what a 'Jesse luving hate monger troll' is! Can you please enlighten me? Or will asking another question get my a$$ jumped again for no reason!?!?!?

Oh, and leave the momma's out of this. Wives are fair game though! :fdance:


Easy with BigZ there fella.

BigZ is the Guru when it comes to towin the H2. And he's also a protected species on this Forum.;)

Grizzy 09-25-2007 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DennisAJC
Easy with BigZ there fella.

BigZ is the Guru when it comes to towin the H2. And he's also a protected species on this Forum.;)




Well ok then, sorry daddyO :crying:

Actually have much more respect for you. I've read many of your posts on numerous threads. Much more respect. :cool:

DennisAJC 09-25-2007 07:16 PM

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Well ok then, sorry daddyO :crying:

Actually have much more respect for you. I've read many of your posts on numerous threads. Much more respect. :cool:



HAHAHA!!! Now I know you're full of s**t.:clapping::beerchug:

Looks like alot of TLC in your H2 setup. Looks good.

ROX 09-25-2007 07:20 PM

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:jump: :jump: :jump:

:popcorn: :popcorn:

GET 'EM Z!

Seriously guys, his posts are strange;) , but he knows what the heck he's talking about. The guy that lost his H2 and killed those people couldn't have had it setup properly. BigZ's whole point is that, done properly, it is the best and safest way to tow something as large and heavy as an H2. I have towed many miles with my H2, but I've never towed it behind anything else.

Go get a small track hoe and pull it on a trailer behind your Motorhome. Then you'll know what to expect putting an H2 on a trailer, as opposed to having it on the ground behind the towing vehicle. Less drag, and better mileage on the tow rig.

The big problem most people face is their own ignorance when towing something behind their vehicle. Do your research, and spend the extra money to do it safely. If you're gonna cheap out and just make something up, you probably deserve to be in jail for man slaughter.

Just my .02.:D

Grizzy 09-25-2007 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DennisAJC
HAHAHA!!! Now I know you're full of s**t.:clapping::beerchug:

Looks like alot of TLC in your H2 setup. Looks good.



Wheres the 'kissing-a$$' emoticon at? :dancingbanana:

ROX 09-25-2007 07:23 PM

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Oh, and leave the momma's out of this. Wives are fair game though! :fdance:

:twak: Wives most certainly are NOT fair game. Show some respect!;) :D :twak:

Grizzy 09-25-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by H2 Rocks
:twak: Wives most certainly are NOT fair game. Show some respect!;) :D :twak:



LOL
Ok, so everyone here loves there wife so dearly they'd never say a foul word about her (or 'him' for some of you :giggling: ) . Lets have a moment of silence and think about our wives.


:shhh:
:shhh:
:shhh:
:shhh:

Ok, now I'm horny, be back later.


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