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YANKEES31 11-01-2007 01:32 AM

Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
I got my Truxxx leveling kit installed today by a GM dealer. It is was installed to the exact height that the directions said bit it now seems as if the rear is lower that the front. What can I do to remedy this. Add a leaf to the rear possibly?

H3slate 11-01-2007 01:37 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
get longer shackles to raise it back up.

try here

http://www.samcofabrication.com/products/product_info.php?products_id=47&osCsid=50ce061e8b9 9e34712776123573ff564


Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:04 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
No no no no no, dont do that....

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:05 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Sorry, my finger slipped, I sprained my wrist today. You're in Jersey right? Or close to Jersey?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:07 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
$hit, I did it again...anyways, um just get yourself a big old fat chick, usually found at Mike's Jersey subs and cruise her around for a couple of days! Make sure she rides up front!

:jump: :jump: :jump:

Hucky 11-01-2007 02:08 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
So are you trying to say that the Rig will settle in the front after some time and he will be leveled out in due time?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:12 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Seriously though, before I spent any money I'd park it on level ground. Pop the center hubs and measure the distance from the center of the axle to the fender, front and rear to determine how much space you're dealing with. That'll help you figure out the game plan.

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:13 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hucky
So are you trying to say that the Rig will settle in the front after some time and he will be leveled out in due time?


No I was joking! Used to live in Jersey.

YANKEES31 11-01-2007 02:17 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Ok why shouldnt I get them?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:20 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YANKEES31
Ok why shouldnt I get them?


I'm not saying not to get them, just dont get them yet.

Before spending any of your hard earned cabbage you might want to park it on level ground.

Pop the center hubs and measure the distance from the center of the axle to the fender, front and rear to determine how much space you're dealing with.

That'll help you figure out if you really need them.

My vehicle is level with that same install.

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:24 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
I have to ask, is there any popping noise in your front end? You know, like earlier discussions?

YANKEES31 11-01-2007 02:31 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
No popping noise. I have it on level ground right now and it just looks like the front end is higher. We did the measuring and it was dead on 24 1/4 or 1/2(I forgot what is called for)

I put a level on the nerf bat and the front is higher...at least it seems like it to me.

What are the pros and cons of the shackles?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 02:35 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Never used em.

Hucky 11-01-2007 02:48 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Shackles are like Hinges

Also known as a poor mans lift, ghetto rig.

Let the thing settle in a bit first before worrying about it, Nothing wrong with a little pre runner look for now.

Big Dad 11-01-2007 03:02 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hucky
Shackles are like Hinges

Also known as a poor mans lift, ghetto rig.

Let the thing settle in a bit first before worrying about it, Nothing wrong with a little pre runner look for now.


I agree, "not that there's anything wrong with shackles" they might work for some, but I wouldnt use them.

I'm into the spec side of the story.

How much distance is between the center axle and fender? I'll go check mine.

Big Dad 11-01-2007 03:15 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Sorry, trick or treaters.

I got 23 3/4" on the front and 24 1/2" on the back. More importantly it appears dead on level.

It could have settled a bit.

No fricken popping noise either.

H3slate 11-01-2007 06:11 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dad
I agree, "not that there's anything wrong with shackles" they might work for some, but I wouldnt use them.

I'm into the spec side of the story.

How much distance is between the center axle and fender? I'll go check mine.


Just like the truxx kit, the shackles will lift the back of your truck. But these shackles only lift it 3/4 in.

Like Big Dad said, give your front end time to settle.

If you are into the spec side of the story why did you put an aftermarket part on to alter your front suspension?

I am all about the level look and the different ways it can be achieved, just curious about the logic of that statement compared to what you have done to your rig. To elaborate, if you can change torsion keys to raise the front end, why can't you put longer, beefier shackles to raise the back end?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 07:49 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by H3slate
Just like the truxx kit, the shackles will lift the back of your truck. But these shackles only lift it 3/4 in.

Like Big Dad said, give your front end time to settle.

If you are into the spec side of the story why did you put an aftermarket part on to alter your front suspension?

I am all about the level look and the different ways it can be achieved, just curious about the logic of that statement compared to what you have done to your rig. To elaborate, if you can change torsion keys to raise the front end, why can't you put longer, beefier shackles to raise the back end?


Sorry, between trick or treaters...got in a hurry and typed what I was thinking at the time. Hopefully this will clear it up. I'm studying for a midterm in my Economics (2nd statistics class-hypothesis testing) and like to jump in and out of here for a reality check! That $hit is fuking difficult.

:giggling:

Here goes:

I'm interested in the specifications i.e. measurement axel to fender at each wheel, concerning/involving the discrepancy, or potential discrepancy Yankees31 has discovered with his leveling kit in order to troubleshoot it. You know, sharing info on the forum.

I didn't experience the discrepancy he has and being a plane nut I'm fascinated by solving problems, especially mechanical and electrical ones.

For example, replacing the main landing gear/truck on a 747 or any heavy airframe for that matter, is time consuming, the book calls out for specific measurements to be taken at different intervals during the installation process. It's basically to prevent/bring to light potential problems that could be addressed during installation in contrast to them being found later during the tire and brake install. Or worse, during the op ck (operational check) when one would throw the handle and swing the gear test anti skid etc, only to find that the assembly had to be taken apart for repair. In other words "git her done" right the first time.

Personally, I got no problem altering a vehicle from its "stock" specifications.

Aka rigid frame Harleys!

Other than service geeks playing the "aftermarket" card in order to deny an owner their warranty.

Wouldn't a "better" alternative to installing shackles be found in adding a leaf or having modified (I believe-arched) leaf springs installed?

Perhaps, by "better" I mean a more reliable, longer lasting, cheaper than a fricken lift, permanent fix solution other than the shackle i.e. "ghetto rig" solution.

wpage 11-01-2007 11:57 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Jared,
After you determine the distance of the discrepancy. You could crank down your front torsion bars to get it "down in front". Most of us have gone the other way to get some lift in front...

YANKEES31 11-01-2007 12:50 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
I am about 1/2 inch higher in the front. If I go ahead and get these shackles will the truck need another alignment?

NewHummerGuy 11-01-2007 01:07 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YANKEES31
I am about 1/2 inch higher in the front. If I go ahead and get these shackles will the truck need another alignment?


I am amazed you can even notice a 1/2 inch variance just by looking at the truck.

YANKEES31 11-01-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
It is pretty noticable

Big Dad 11-01-2007 04:32 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
1/2 inch? Either crank it down or take it back and tell the install to crank it down for you.

H3slate 11-01-2007 04:39 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YANKEES31
I am about 1/2 inch higher in the front. If I go ahead and get these shackles will the truck need another alignment?


You should maybe try turning down the torsion bars first, there is definitely nothing wrong with taking the bars back down a little.

When you adjust the torsion bars you should get an alignment, but adding the shackles should not reguire an alignment.

Thanks for the explanation Big Dad, if you are in the right neighborhood, you can get over a hundred trick or treaters, which makes for a busy night.

Yankees31, how about some pics and measurements of your truck?

sattv 11-01-2007 07:20 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
My problem is ARE the fenders a good leveling point (they flex) I have been measuring from the frame to the ground maybe this is wrong? maybe not?
But who is to say the fenders are the same height on both sides?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 08:15 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sattv
My problem is ARE the fenders a good leveling point (they flex) I have been measuring from the frame to the ground maybe this is wrong? maybe not?
But who is to say the fenders are the same height on both sides?


Exactly. What are the specs.

sattv 11-01-2007 08:58 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
So should I purchase a Truxx kit or just extend the shocks and crank the bars?

Big Dad 11-01-2007 09:49 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sattv
So should I purchase a Truxx kit or just extend the shocks and crank the bars?


Well, I'm an educated man, private University type...the person you want to consult with is...CollegeSucks! JK!

:jump:

Actually you'll want to do a forum search and figure that out on your own. There are many postings concerning the pros and cons of torsion bar and level kit.

You'll find that some fenders are at different heights which I equate to improperly cranked T bars. MHO.

Big Dad 11-01-2007 10:59 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by H3slate
You should maybe try turning down the torsion bars first, there is definitely nothing wrong with taking the bars back down a little.

When you adjust the torsion bars you should get an alignment, but adding the shackles should not reguire an alignment.

Thanks for the explanation Big Dad, if you are in the right neighborhood, you can get over a hundred trick or treaters, which makes for a busy night.

Yankees31, how about some pics and measurements of your truck?


Sorry about being long winded...my fricken brain is drained.

YANKEES31 11-01-2007 11:01 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Pic is a little blurry but you can see what I am talking about


Big Dad 11-01-2007 11:04 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YANKEES31
Pic is a little blurry but you can see what I am talking about



Dude man,

Throw a level on that driveway! That looks righteous!

Big Dad 11-01-2007 11:06 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
It looks like more than a half inch though. Is it an Adventure model?

YANKEES31 11-01-2007 11:23 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
No it is an "X"

So you think the shackles will right it?

Sewie 11-02-2007 01:08 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dad
Wouldn't a "better" alternative to installing shackles be found in adding a leaf or having modified (I believe-arched) leaf springs installed?


How is an AAL any less "ghetto" than a shackle lift? And you'll likely end up with a crappy ride. Custom springs would be the best option for lifting the rear (aside from a SOA ;) ) but would cost much more than either AAL or shackles.

Sewie 11-02-2007 01:09 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Don't even mess with the rear yet. Just crank the t-bars down a couple turns.

YANKEES31 11-02-2007 01:25 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Just curious why wouldnt you mess with the rear. I figured the easiest fix from what I read would be just to add the new shackles. If I bring the front down then another alignment will have to be done..right?

waynesoffroad 11-02-2007 04:32 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
The front end is not going to settle. The only time that it would settle is if you changed your torsion bars. If you have had your h3 for a while the springs are already settled. For the rear all you need is a set of Jeep YJ lift shackles. They are much cheaper and do the same thing. For you guys calling it Ghetto, What do you think your doing buy cranking the torsion bars up!:giggling:

Big Dad 11-02-2007 05:24 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sewie
How is an AAL any less "ghetto" than a shackle lift? And you'll likely end up with a crappy ride. Custom springs would be the best option for lifting the rear (aside from a SOA ;) ) but would cost much more than either AAL or shackles.


I posed the question, e.g. "Wouldnt...."

Originally Posted by Big Dad
Wouldn't a "better" alternative to installing shackles be found in adding a leaf or having modified (I believe-arched) leaf springs installed?


But uh, let me get this straight...add a leaf is as ghetto as installing a shackle?

How so?

What about arching the springs? It don't cost that much. Is that ghetto also? If so, why?

What exactly do you mean by custom springs?

Lastly, SOA?

Thanks in advance.

Big Dad 11-02-2007 05:24 AM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waynesoffroad
The front end is not going to settle. The only time that it would settle is if you changed your torsion bars. If you have had your h3 for a while the springs are already settled. For the rear all you need is a set of Jeep YJ lift shackles. They are much cheaper and do the same thing. For you guys calling it Ghetto, What do you think your doing buy cranking the torsion bars up!:giggling:


I didn't crank my "T" bars.

H3less 11-02-2007 02:15 PM

Re: Got the Truxx leveling kit..but....
 
Just throw a 9000lb whinch on the front and she will be sitting pretty!


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