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Ok, now that the HX has been revealed and we see where HUMMER is heading in the future, there's one picture that's got me curious...

In one of GM's initial press releases regarding the HX, there's a pic of the 3 designers working on a HUMMER. We now know that it isn't the HX, far too large, completely different styling, and flat-sided.

We know it's not a mock up for the HX's, it's a full scale model. It has a lot of the features that the current H2 has, the flat sides, front opening hood, hood latches. It's roughly the size of a current H2 aswell...

Could this just be, the next incarnation of the H2 for 2010?

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2010 H2 with DIESEL/6 SPEED ALISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:beerchug:

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no its the early hx. If you watch the vid where they release the new hx for the first time. He said it was designed by 3 of there youngest designers. This would be those 3.

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Yes, those are the three designers but I don't think that was any version of the HX. The proportions and styling are nowhere near the HX concept. Besides, why would they not show the whole vehicle, if that was the case? I agree with the others, most likely a next-gen H2.

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doesnt look like the HX its much bigger, different tires, different hood design a tiny bit diff, who knows we need more pics! And any idea how old these designers actually are?

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I know they're the HX designers, doesn't mean they're only working on the HX.

It's definitely not an early HX, atleast not an early version of the current concept. The styling is drastically different.

It's not a half scale mockup either obviously, it's a full size model. It might be an early foam model of an early direction on the HX, but it looks too polished for that, and again, too large.

From what I've read the designers are late 20's early 30's.

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I've asked 2 people who would probably have some insight into what
it is we are seeing in that photo.....Is that a new H2?

Both have expertly sidestepped the question and/or completely ignored it.

What ever it is, it's damn interesting.

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Interesting...

This might be stretching it, but in a recent interview Carl Zipfel, the exterior design director for HUMMER, was talking about how important approach angle is to HUMMER, then mentions how the HX has a 56 degree approach angle, and the H2 has a 55 degree approach angle. Now, we all know the current H2 does not have a 55 degree approach angle, so maybe he slipped the approach angle specs on the new H2? The concept pictured above definitely looks like it could have a 55 degree approach angle... Or maybe he just made an error (which would be weird, for someone heading the exterior design of HUMMER's)

Here's the interview http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dbm6QF7T3oE

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Look at the drawing on the back wall, upper left.

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Late 20s.

I won't say what it is, but I will say that at 5'10" I'm taller than all three of them.

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H4 T

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thats just dumb....

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Not sure I understand your comment. The truck itself or my opinion? As rugged H2 said, look at the drawing on the wall.

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this has been the big deal for a couple of years now, it is the H3T...

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The "hood handles" in that pic are ridiculous.

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FAIL:twak:

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Yeah, so? You can't really tell anything from this drawing other than it appears to be a 4 door pickup.

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also note the colorado picture, top right

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Why couldn't that be the HX in the picture...in the early stages??? Those designers are probably 5 feet tall.

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OOOPS.....got a number wrong! Put a 4 instead of a 3. Good job you 'Experts' are here to correct me. Here's me thinking this was a thread about speculation on what vehicle it might be? Don't actually see any speculation coming from the 'Experts' and 'Gurus' apart from how tall and how old the Designers may be. Interesting. Keep up the flow of useful information.

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Piss off big nose;)

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Wow....what a come back! I am impressed! You are trully an 'Expert'.

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look at the top right pic, thats not a HUMMER either....the speculation comment is great, the H3T is not speculation so not real sure what you were getting at.....

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I think GM'll make the new H2 more H1-like in design.

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A couple of reasons. The final look of the HX was agreed upon far before a full size sculpt was ever worked on. This has absolutely no features from the HX at all. Another reason would be that if it was an early HX design, I doubt they would avoid discussing it.

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Since the height of the 'possible' H2 is in question, this should give you a better idea just how much larger it is than the HX concept.

The guy in this pic is Robert Jablonski, same guy who's on the right in the first pic with the unknown HUMMER. He's almost a head taller than the HX, where as in the first pic the 'unknown' HUMMER is taller than him.

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Negatory. Look at the blinker on the front fender and air cap on the mystery truck and compare it to the H3T.

Also, the H3T, like the HX, is not that big/tall.

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there is a pic of a colorado on the wall. the h3t is off the colorodo fram and even uses the colorodo bed. My guess is that it was the early h3t concept. The airboxes are the same and so are the hood handles.

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There's so much wrong with what you just said, where do I start?

The studio houses more than just one HUMMER, and possibly houses more than just HUMMER's. The H3 sits on a unique frame which was based off the colorado. It's heavily modified and reinforced, it's NOT the same frame. The H3T is based off the H3 frame but of course is lengthened. The bed is not a colorado bed, it's a completely new bed unique to the H3T.

Now about the unknown HUMMER, the airboxes are not the same as the H3T concept, and neither are the hood handles.

This is not the H3T concept.

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was not trying to say it was an H3T, was correct the H4T comment...

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Its to large of a change to be an h2. Hummer is not know for drastic changes on body styles. Hell the h1 hasnt changed since it was released and the h2 has been looking the same all 5 years its been out except for the minor mirror change and the 08 grill lettering relocation. Also if you take a look in trucktrend where they are testing out the h3t's it says. " GMT745 the new 4 door pickup is based on the existing h3, with the chassis lengthened 23 inches to accommodate a 5 foot colorado/canyon bed and full sized rear doors. How correct that is i dont know maybe try and picture the h3t bed without the extensions on the side.

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Nothing is too drastic, the H2 sales are dropping, people want a change, a big change. This isn't the H1, which sold 12,000 units in its entire run. The H2 needs to be refreshed, and as has already been acknowledged by some people in the know, the H2 will get re-styled around 2009/2010.

Now about the H3T, that is not a colorado bed, not even remotely close. The bed is unique to the H3T.
Some magazine editors still say the H2 is built directly off the Tahoe frame, so that tells you enough about how reliable their info is.

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well why would they use the old h2 for the h2t which isnt supose to come out for a few years. Also i thought the h2 was off a tahoe frame. You already said the h3 was a modified colorado frame which means it is a colorado frame modified or not it started as a colorado frame and they added a few things. I hope they dont ruin the brand anymore than they already have by making the new models futuristic looking. They have already downsized the brand, the h3 still holds the classic hummer look though. But as for the hx it just isnt Hummer.

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:raar: Search is your friend...

Regarding the H2 : "The final frame assembly is made up of 3 sections. The front uses a modified GM 2500-Series utility frame. The mid-section is all new and is completely boxed. The rear section uses a modifed GM 1500-Series frame which is upgraded for 8000 pound gross vehicle weight."

Regarding the H3: The H3 frames starts off as an H3 frame. Some components are shared, but pretty much every component is modified or in some cases completely different. Fully boxed, added crossmembers, modified components = new frame.




The H2T we've seen tested could be a mule for the new driveline, doesn't mean the body will stay the same.

And your opinions on the HX make no sense. Offroad spec wise, it's the most capable HUMMER since the H1. 56 degree approach angle, 51 degree departure, 25 degree breakover, and 13 inches MINIMUM ground clearance, sounds like a HUMMER to me...

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They were most likely referring to the test mules, which did have C/C beds on them. Or they were just plain wrong like when they mentioned switching into 2H. :rolleyes:

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Do you need some bannination?

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also just to point out those arent the tires they put on the HX it looks like the 35inch BFG that are on h2

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Quit attacking Brad! If Angie sees this she will go Lara Croft on your ass, pirate captain. How would you like to find a Somalian land mine on your car seat tomorrow morning?

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Then maybe he should LISTEN and stop repeating the same stuff over and over again...

Ok then :beerchug:

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sorry i guess ive been misguided a bit in the past.