I am looking for opinions. I just interviewed in Dallas for a job that would allow me to locate in either Pheonix or Dallas and commute to the other. If I took this job I would be moving out of So Cal (100 feet from the beach) so either place is too far from the ocean, but the job looks like fun.
Bottom line, which is abetter place to live,Dallas or Pheonix?

I am looking for opinions. I just interviewed in Dallas for a job that would allow me to locate in either Pheonix or Dallas and commute to the other. If I took this job I would be moving out of So Cal (100 feet from the beach) so either place is too far from the ocean, but the job looks like fun.
Bottom line, which is abetter place to live,Dallas or Pheonix?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orbital H2:
I am looking for opinions. I just interviewed in Dallas for a job that would allow me to locate in either Pheonix or Dallas and commute to the other. If I took this job I would be moving out of So Cal (100 feet from the beach) so either place is too far from the ocean, but the job looks like fun.
Bottom line, which is abetter place to live,Dallas or Pheonix? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I voted for PhOEnix

Phoenix

Phoenix, just because we already have waaaayyyy too many Texan owners

Orbital, been a while!

been busy, you know the story...
Went sailing in Canouan back in April, just delivered $46m worth of tese equipment and looking for the next move.
have you been off road lately?

Never been to Phoenix but have spent a lot of time in Dallas so I would have to go with the Big D. A friend of mine transferred from Phoenix area to McKinney (Northern part of Dallas area) a few years ago and loves it there. Not sure if he lives in better though.

PhOEnix. Texas is for homos.

Plus, you'd be so close to Moab that you could practically go every weekend.

You should check on the availability of housing, i heard there is a Lottery system in Phoenix and only the winner's of the lottery can purchase a house, you just dont make an offer to whatever is for sale.

It's never hit 115 in Dallas.

D

Phoenix is also a 3 hour drive to Page, Arizona and Lake Powell. Much hotter but drier than Dallas. Current wildfires are scorching just north of there between Phoenix and the South Rim Grand Canyon.

Dallas can't hold a candle to all the southern Utah wonderlands you can get to in a day's drive or a long weekend, and of course you pick'm casino locales in Nevada.

UtahAugs

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Denny Crane:
It's never hit 115 in Dallas.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
But it's a dry heat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dallas, hands down. You can find anything you could want in the Dallas area plus with DFW airport and it's location it's easy to get anywhere else.

I like Phoenix but if I were to choose to live between the two, the decision would be easy for me. One other main thing is the political/business/personal climate that Texas protects more aggressively.

We had a house in Colleyville a few years ago and considered living in the Dallas area full time.

My opinion may be biased, but here it is anyway.
Big D. Here are the reasons.
1. Housing is very cheap here compared to the national average. You can buy much more house for your money, and I've been doing a lot of research on this. They are prediciting that the housing prices will catch up to the rest of the nation in the next 5-10 years. In other words. Buy cheap, sell high.
2. Money, lots of money in the DFW area. I read there are over 80,000 millionaires in the DFW area, more than any other metroplex in the country.
3. Weather. It is hot in summer, but it is not humid. I don't care what anybody says. Tell them to grow up by Lake Michigan and tell me it's humid here. Also, plenty of lakes, restaurants, amusements, places to go, things to do.
4. Dallas Cowboys are here, and they have been to more super bowls than any other team.
5. Great schools in the burbs.
6. Low taxes when comparing to other major cities.
7. Texas has been voting solidly republican the last decade, not this on the fence **** like Arizona.
8. George Bush is from Texas, John McCain is from Arizona. Need I say more?

I can add to this if you need me to.

From what I have seen housing is pretty good in most parts of Dallas though some areas are very high for what you get. It is that way every where though. I know my friend there just bought his house for right at $200K and I couldn't believe it. You would have to spend at least $400K here to get the same house

I just bought a house in Scottsdale, near PHX, about 9 months agi. If I wanted to buy the same house now, I could not afford it. The market here is CRAZY>>> If you see a home for $485,000 (2100 square feet 3 bed, pool, 3 car) you better bid $500K or or more, because you won't get it.

We offered 10K more on one house, and did not get it... My point is, the market here is blowing up. Good this is your house will increase in value for sure no matter where you move in this area.

Hummer Tech
thanks for the input
1) is a compelling draw to this area, and from the little i have seen, I am tempted to bet on this. Tempe area is rather pricy now.
2) tough to compete with, but probably has to do with #1, #6, #7
3) I grew up around Lake Michigan, I understand humidity. Dallas is more humid than Pheonix, but hopefully tolerable
4) this is a big negative in my book, I am a hard core Packer fan
5) good for resale values. I don't have kids
6) this is a big swing factor for me. I could buy a lot of toys for the H2\
7, 8) are certianly a big bonus. not overly happy with W now, but he is still my man.

If you grew up around Lake Michigan than the weather is definatley tollerable. I love the summers, the much longer summers than up north. And the winters are great. In the summer, ever time the temp goes above 85, the humidity plummets. It actually sometimes feels worse at 84 degress than 98 degrees.
As far as the packer fan thing goes, what's wrong with you? If you are a true Packer fan than you know who Charles Martin is. I hate that guy. The Bears would have continued to be good in the 80's if it wasn't for his cheap shot. And as far as the cowboys go regarding the Packers, you could always wear your Farve jersy into a sports bar during the Cowboys bad years and laugh at the Cowboy fans. I have seen a few people doing that the last few years. Ya bastards.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Charles Martin </div></BLOCKQUOTE> is pushing up daiseys now, guess he got his.
I do not agree with the cheap shots, play hard, but play fair.
If I end up down there I will have to wear my Farve jersy during football season.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orbital H2:
have you been off road lately? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Orbital, doing Jeep Miller trail tomorrow with RonB. He has a red H1 -- if I follow real close, I prob won't get any brushmarks.. Interested?

I lived in Phoenix for a year and loved it! Much better than the coast, except for the summers....too bloody hot! They've got great H2 clubs in both areas, so you won't lose out there... I vote for Phoenix!

The housing market is crazy most any place but as always it will be worse in some areas than others. I have read report about the national real estate market and they say if you see a house for sale in Orlando, just buy it. The bubble is going to burst before long and hopefully there won't be a lot of people who are very upside down in their houses

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Orbital, doing Jeep Miller trail tomorrow with RonB. He has a red H1 -- if I follow real close, I prob won't get any brushmarks.. Interested? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wish I could, but too late of notice.
one of these weekends we need to catch up on a trail.

Not knowing the particulars, stay near the beach. We moved about 40 minutes from it a year ago. Guess what we're doing this weekend?

I'm in the Real Estate business here in Phoenix. Yes, home prices are soaring, depending on where here in the Valley you will want to reside, plan on spending upwards of $250,000 for a 3 bedroom 2 bath 2-3 car garage home in a nice area. If I can be of assistance, drop me a line.

Kevin (casey.2)
2005 Stealth Gray H2 SUV

Seattle if you like girls with hairy arm pits

Dallas and Phoenix both have beautiful women...so does So. Cal! Now I know your motive!

Kacyk,
Just curious, but does your wife have hairy armpits since youre from Seattle?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by casey2:
I'm in the Real Estate business here in Phoenix. Yes, home prices are soaring, depending on where here in the Valley you will want to reside, plan on spending upwards of $250,000 for a 3 bedroom 2 bath 2-3 car garage home in a nice area. If I can be of assistance, drop me a line.

Kevin (casey.2)
2005 Stealth Gray H2 SUV </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wish that were the case here

Phoenix...but outside of town!

The traffic sucks in both places, but the drivers are a bit more forgiving in Phoenix. Just my opinion from travels to both cities.

Ric

http://www.city-data.com/city/Dallas-Texas.html

Population (year 2000): 1,188,580, Est. population in July 2002: 1,211,467 (+1.9% change)
Males: 598,991 (50.4%), Females: 589,589 (49.6%)

Crime in Dallas (2002):
196 murders (15.8 per 100,000)
656 rapes (52.8 per 100,000)
8,041 robberies (647.7 per 100,000)
8,125 assaults (654.5 per 100,000)
20,351 burglaries (1639.3 per 100,000)
56,306 larceny counts (4535.4 per 100,000)
18,365 auto thefts (1479.3 per 100,000)
City-data.com crime index = 811.2 (higher means more crime, US average = 330.6)

Races in Dallas:

Hispanic (35.6%)
White Non-Hispanic (34.6%)
Black (25.9%)
Other race (17.2%)
Two or more races (2.7%)
American Indian (1.0%)
Asian Indian (0.6%)
Vietnamese (0.6%)

http://www.city-data.com/city/Phoenix-Arizona.html

Population (year 2000): 1,321,045, Est. population in July 2002: 1,371,960 (+3.8% change)
Males: 671,760 (50.9%), Females: 649,285 (49.1%)

Crime in Phoenix (2002):
177 murders (12.6 per 100,000)
410 rapes (29.2 per 100,000)
4,075 robberies (290.0 per 100,000)
5,561 assaults (395.8 per 100,000)
16,855 burglaries (1199.7 per 100,000)
57,214 larceny counts (4072.4 per 100,000)
25,624 auto thefts (1823.9 per 100,000)
City-data.com crime index = 620.3 (higher means more crime, US average = 330.6)

Races in Phoenix

White Non-Hispanic (55.8%)
Hispanic (34.1%)
Other race (16.4%)
Black (5.1%)
Two or more races (3.3%)
American Indian (2.7%)

I don't really have an opinion. But since I HATE the Cowboys I'd go to Phoenix.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
Kacyk,
Just curious, but does your wife have hairy armpits since youre from Seattle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmmm. Nope, she's completely shaven.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kacyk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
Kacyk,
Just curious, but does your wife have hairy armpits since youre from Seattle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmmm. Nope, she's completely shaven. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> And very pretty.

Stay by the water you'll be sorry you ever left.

As far as the crime statistics go, well statistics don't lie. I can't say I know much about where the crime in Phoenix is. But as far as Dallas goes, 95% of that crime is all in the hood. You'd be nuts to move there. But when you move to the nice parts of town, or the nice suburbs, it's virtually crime free. Except for that incident last year where 2 guys broken into an older mans house in the nice part of town to rob him. He then shot the intruders. On the front page of the paper they showed a picture of the guys laying dead in his front yard where they stumbled to and died. That's what happens when you mess with Texans.
Now comes the smart ass comment from drtfn

It sort of depends on where you will work in either place as to where you will want to buy a house. In Dallas proper you can't send your kids to public school. In Plano you can but the schools are huge. Other areas such as Southlake, McKinney, Frisco, and Colleyville are very good but far from downtown and a large commute. I work downtown and live in an area called the park cities, where schools are superb but housing is VERY expensive. My commute is 10 minutes. Private schools are very good close in and let you live in some very good areas in Dallas that are less expensive than Park Cities; however a good private school is anywhere from 10,000$ to 20,000$ per year. There is no state income tax but property taxes are high(1.50 per mil.) There are offroading oppurtunities close by and wonderful hunting and fishing. I moved here 17 years ago from D.C. and love it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But when you move to the nice parts of town, or the nice suburbs, it's virtually crime free. Except for that incident </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Seattle if you like girls with hairy arm pits </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understnad the Seattle women, I lived there for an eternity one year, not sure if St Louis or Seattle ranked worse that year in my book. (now granted there are plenty of nice things about each place and I am pretty sure I saw most of them)

I always said that I would rather be poor and liove at the beach than to be rich and live inland, but this opportunity looks too good to pass up (if they give me an offer), get to play with some real high tech toys.

Pheonix seems to have most of the votes here, however Dallas does have some nice advantages such as being able to shoot intruders and not have any questions asked.
I did get a chance to go to down town Fort Worth, there were some real nice toys hanging around there on Saturday night.
decisions....

The job is in Garland and Tempe

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
As far as the crime statistics go, well statistics don't lie. I can't say I know much about where the crime in Phoenix is. But as far as Dallas goes, 95% of that crime is all in the hood. You'd be nuts to move there. But when you move to the nice parts of town, or the nice suburbs, it's virtually crime free. Except for that incident last year where 2 guys broken into an older mans house in the nice part of town to rob him. He then shot the intruders. On the front page of the paper they showed a picture of the guys laying dead in his front yard where they stumbled to and died. That's what happens when you mess with Texans.
Now comes the smart ass comment from drtfn </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I doubt it. DRTY, myself, or any other gun owning American doesn't want their carpet stained. Shoot the bad guys once or twice so they can die in the yard like dogs. Not in the house.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
DRTY, myself, or any other gun owning American doesn't want their carpet stained. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't that what plastic sheeting is for?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kacyk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
Kacyk,
Just curious, but does your wife have hairy armpits since youre from Seattle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmmm. Nope, she's completely shaven. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can barely see her armpits behind those MASSIVE CANS!!!



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
That's what happens when you mess with Texans.
Now comes the smart ass comment from drtfn </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who is this "drtfn"?

I was kidding about the homo/Texas thing... damn. For being so tough you guys sure do whine(like little girls) a lot.
Hey, our cops up here shoot just as many skanks as your cops do!! We might even be ahead in the skank score right now. Damn lucky cops. I saaw 2 meth-heads that needed shooting today. And could I shoot them? Nooooooo. god damn it....