Hi,
As some of you know i´m in Sweden and am trying to find a H2 in the US to bring over here.
I just won this auction. Seems to be an ok deal i think. US 32555.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4548923 666&rd=1

I am aware of the water history stated in the description. Does waterhistory allways have to mean big trouble (for me), or could everything just as well work fine in the future?
Since this one was pretty well equiped and low miles i hope i did a decent deal. What do you experts say?
Did i make a decent deal OR the worst deal ever made by a man??
Inputs are appriciated. But please don´t be to hard on me if the deal was really bad



Thanks a lot
Peter

(p.s it saids "auction ended you were outbid". That is beacuse i also use another user-id. patrikekh)

Hi,
As some of you know i´m in Sweden and am trying to find a H2 in the US to bring over here.
I just won this auction. Seems to be an ok deal i think. US 32555.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4548923 666&rd=1

I am aware of the water history stated in the description. Does waterhistory allways have to mean big trouble (for me), or could everything just as well work fine in the future?
Since this one was pretty well equiped and low miles i hope i did a decent deal. What do you experts say?
Did i make a decent deal OR the worst deal ever made by a man??
Inputs are appriciated. But please don´t be to hard on me if the deal was really bad



Thanks a lot
Peter

(p.s it saids "auction ended you were outbid". That is beacuse i also use another user-id. patrikekh)

Seems to be a good deal, the vehicle looks good. Hmm.. I wouldn't say its a bad deal, I just have bad feelings about any vehicle that has had water damage (or any kind of damage for that matter). Main thing I would be concerned about is if it was fresh water or salt water. That would really be what I would want to find out if I were you. Good luck

For that price you could have found the same thing without the water damage. friggin' EBay shoppers.

DRTYFN. Thanks a lot.
DALLION. You have a point. I must check fresh or saltwater. I might be in trouble...

DRTY is right. Here are a couple of links to similar priced H2's:

First one

Another


This one even has a winch

So they are out there, you just have to look. I personally am not a big fan of any vehicle with water damage, nor would ever own one, but I have had friends who have had water damaged vehicles and no problems... It's whatever makes you happy

Oh, and btw the last two H2's are < 30k, anytime I see an H2 < 30k I automatically think something is wrong with it... I am just untrusting I guess

I am obviously not an authority, but I will say that I certainly wouldn't have sold MY H2 [no water damage, however] for that (or what I saw on the links above!). So, to me, looks like you did well!

Enjoy it, when you finally GET it!

Dallion. Yes sometimes one see H2´s for around 20k on cars.com or autotrader.com. I must say that they all are frauds. I have been in contact with so many of them and they all want deposits via some kind of escrowsites. Of course they don´t have any truck for sale and the escrowthing is not existing. Money goes straight into their pocket.

LoLo. Now i feel better

Dallion. The first link you mentioned seems to be a very basic model w no lux. pk and w clothseats.

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For that price you could have found the same thing without the water damage. friggin' EBay shoppers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that H2 belongs to Argo?

Oh no, his was burgundy, and it smelled like muddy water, puke & beer inside.

Peter,

I have to go with Dallion and DRTY. I've seen you here before and I have to ask what's with the obsession of ebay and damaged vehicles? Do you actually think you can save money by buying a damaged vehicle in lowered price and buying it over the Internet.

First, I wouln't buy a damaged vehile over the Internet ever period. Adding to that the fact that servicing the H2 in Europe is MUCH more expencive than in the US and damaged vehicle is more likely to need service.
Second, I sent you the Autotrader.com a while ago, and I honestly think you can get better deals from there. Most of the sales is done by dealers so you might be able to negotiate the price even more.

If you are looking for a used vehicle there is only a slight chance that you'll get all the options you want. So I would go for the reliability and TCO first and then other stuff. Most of which you can get from the aftermarket anyways...

My opinion is that if you put together eBay and damaged vehicle and exporting it to Europe is that you are going to get hurt.

Thanks!

Something is fishy. If it has had so much replaced how could it not have a water damaged title or salvage title?

W1N, I suggested to Peter to get a hold of you and/or Eldar. You both are experienced in this.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
W1N, I suggested to Peter to get a hold of you and/or Eldar. You both are experienced in this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks!

I'll be glad to help him.

Thanks all for your thoughts. The thing is that many people have told me before that a waterdamaged car does not allways have to be terrible. So can you explain what could happen in worse case w the truck in the future?(salt/fresh water.)
Seller mentioned in the description that the truck had been in the shop for some work/change of parts. Due to this it does not mean that it should be safe enough to buy you think?

W1N I do search autotrader.com, but it seems hard to find a H2 for less than 35000 w decent miles. But thanks for the link.

Peter

By looking at the pictures, it looks like the truck is "sitting little low" on the rear wheels. Like it is kind of lower in the rear. is it just the pics or me?

Hello Peter!

You can always check the www.carfax.com if you have the VIN number of the vehicle. It doesn't quarantee anything, but the cost of $30 or so you might get valuable info.

thanks!

Dallion. Is it posible for you to check this one on carfax for me?
You got PM btw.

thanks peter

No positiv responses to my winning item?

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By looking at the pictures, it looks like the truck is "sitting little low" on the rear wheels. Like it is kind of lower in the rear. is it just the pics or me? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well it says that the air ride relay is not working...that is probably why.

Thanks all for your thoughts. The thing is that many people have told me before that a waterdamaged car does not allways have to be terrible. So can you explain what could happen in worse case w the truck in the future?(salt/fresh water.)
Seller mentioned in the description that the truck had been in the shop for some work/change of parts. Due to this it does not mean that it should be safe enough to buy you think?

etg,
No offense, but you get what you pay for. You seem to be looking for something cheap, maybe a little too cheap.

Ed

etg,

I've tried to tell you this. Go to Al Sierra Hummer and you can find pretty good deals of new Hummers. And you can also be sure that you get premium quality. If you insist of buying a used Hummer, I believe you'll be better off with getting one from Germany and tax would less too. Check out www.mobile.de. They have many used hummers much closer than US.

Thanks!

W1N. Thanks. I spend some time at mobile.de. Prices not very good though. Most of the prices there are without VAT and european custom.

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W1N. Thanks. I spend some time at mobile.de. Prices not very good though. Most of the prices there are without VAT and european custom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure about swedish law, but I would assume it is not as strict as Finnish legistlation concerning vehicles. However, for us in Finland taxes goes as follows in case of importing a used vehicle into the contry. Hummer is considered as heavy truck since its weight is over 3500 kg. There are no vehicle tax for us in heavy trucks, but we have to pay the sales tax 22%. So if I import a 37000€ H2 (used) from Germany, it would be something like 42700€. Price breakdown below:

Price 37 000,00 €
Sales tax 22% 8 140,00 €
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Total 45 140,00 €


I think you should check this out, because you could get the whole thing done much easier, faster and less stress if are threated similiarly as we are. BUT, if you are looking to get new H2 then you should shop US. But you wouldn't be shopping eBay for flooded vehicles, if you were...

For all of you who are interested 2004 H2 in Germany go for aproximately $47k and the in Finland it is about $115k, these are just basic luxury versions with 10000 miles on them...

Peter,
I just got off the phone with Larry Oas at Classic Hummer in Grapevine Texas. This is where I purchased my H2 they're great people. He informed me that it is against their policy to ship NEW Hummers overseas. They've done it before and have been slapped and fined by GM for doing so. It is possible to get around the "rules" but their dealership will not do it. He said he would introduce you to their pre-owned Hummer sales department, as it is ok to ship vehicles that have been registered in the US and the owner has wished to have their vehicle shipped overseas.

You can contact Larry at Larry@ClassicHummer.com
Be sure to mention that Ed Gagnon had refered you in your email. I'm not getting anything for the referal, but he said he receives many emails from overseas and wants to be sure that he answers yours as soon as possible.

Good Luck,
Ed


I'm not promising anything, just trying to help.

Ed. Thanks a lot. I will get in touch w him and see what he has. I am aware of the fact that dealers are not allowed to export brandnew cars/trucks. Lot of them registrate the car on somoneelse for a day and then ship it as used.
Not all dealers. Some.

W1N. When i buy a car outside of the EU it works as following:

Purchase
Inlandshipping US to closest port
Portfee US
Insurance
Overseasshipping to Gothenburg
Feeport Gothenburg
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I have to pay 10% in Custom on all the costs above added together.
AND
Ontop of all the costs above incl. the the custom, i have to pay 25% in VAT.
Then it has to be transported to Stockholm.
Then it has to be modified a bit to be able to registrate( mod. + reg are apprx. US 1500)

So at the end, the car/truck will be very expensive for me before it is outside of my house. So because of this, i really need to find one not to expensive. I do understand that "you sometimes get what you pay for".
Again, what can happen to a flooded car (freshwater) IN WORSE CASE in the future?

Thanks
Peter

Same for me but, not 10%/25% but 22%/22% so over 50% to the original puchase price... And I'm still going for the new, because of the strong euro.

Peter,

Considering all the fees & VAT you EU folks must dish out, that makes it even more important to get the "best" vehicle you can find. "Best" meaning as new as possible and without any sort of damage.

Last thing you want to happen is to have spent all that euros and have rust bucket in your driveway Just my 2 cents...

Saying you won a water damaged vehicle on EBay is like saying you won an STD from a hooker.(IMO)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
Peter,

Considering all the fees & VAT you EU folks must dish out, that makes it even more important to get the "best" vehicle you can find. "Best" meaning as new as possible and without any sort of damage.

Last thing you want to happen is to have spent all that euros and have rust bucket in your driveway Just my 2 cents... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was too looking foor a used H2 for a while, and if I'll have problems with getting a new from a dealer, I'm forced to get one. But, my primary goal is the get a brand new because the actual price difference of buying one with 3,000 miles on it and new is too small comapared all the work I have to do to get over here. So I'm persistent of getting a new one. And if you know a dealer that is willing to make the $$$ let me know...

W1N.
I understand and agree. But have you found any good deal on a new one?

Peter

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
Peter,

Considering all the fees & VAT you EU folks must dish out, that makes it even more important to get the "best" vehicle you can find. "Best" meaning as new as possible and without any sort of damage.

Last thing you want to happen is to have spent all that euros and have rust bucket in your driveway Just my 2 cents... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was too looking foor a used H2 for a while, and if I'll have problems with getting a new from a dealer, I'm forced to get one. But, my primary goal is the get a brand new because the actual price difference of buying one with 3,000 miles on it and new is too small comapared all the work I have to do to get over here. So I'm persistent of getting a new one. And if you know a dealer that is willing to make the $$$ let me know... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A franchised dealer is forbidden by GM to export an unregistered (new) vehicle, that's not to say that it is not done. I ran into a similar situation when exporting a MBZ from the US few years back.

Just spoke with the lady at a dealership where I got mine and she basically said that for a new vehicle, it needs to be registered and tax/license fees paid, then depending on the state where the vehicle is registered, it may take up to 60 days before you get the title (ownership), which is required for customs.

OTOH, she also said they had done a few for customers with very low miles, in fact, they had one last week with 500 miles on it & is considered used as the owner changed his mind & went with the SUT. She also said that the used vehicle can be shipped a lot sooner but she couldn;t explain to me why so as the paper work has still to go through the DMV. She said she'll call back as she needs to get some more info from the manager.

I am with you in terms of the price differential, the bottom line is that the savings in a used one is probably not that much in the overall scheme of things. I am sort of doing the reverse right now as I am trying to bring a SMART here, tired of waiting for the limited sources here

Thanks sclui56,

I'm kinda picky when it comes to getting a new ride

I'm also planning to upgrade it with Lingenfelter 500hp package, so do you think (can you check) I could have the Lingenfelter to buy it and then I could buy it fron them, once they have done the tune-up. It will thave to be atleast 30 days at the shop anyways. Only thing is that I need to have the taxes dropped since I don't have pay them to US if exporting goods...

What chanses do I have finding a very low milage H2 with all the options I'm looking for.

This is it what I'm looking:
Black H2 with lux
+ sunroof
+ factory chrome fuel door
+ black roof rail handles

Nothing more or nothing less, I'll do the rest myself

btw, where in CA is Encino?

Thanks!!!

I think you need to contact Lingenfelter for the info you seek. I would imagine they need to take possession of the vehicle first, which means tax & license fees paid, but who knows what some of these tuners would do. I think your requirement is fairly common, though I have yet to see one fitted with the factory fuel foor nor the grab bars, either one of these items are easily come by (by US reference point of course), and both of them are not time-consuming to put on. You may want to check on the fuel door status, when I bought mine it came with a locking gas cap, but I've heard they since stopped shipping the gas cap, it's not a big deal, just an extra item to source.

I'll let you know soon as I get more info from the dealer.

Encino is approx. 20 miles N by NW of LAX. This is probably very premature, but do you have a color in mind? Are you looking for a later 05 production with the factory tire carrier as well as the extra brake lights on the rear bumper caps?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
I think you need to contact Lingenfelter for the info you seek. I would imagine they need to take possession of the vehicle first, which means tax & license fees paid, but who knows what some of these tuners would do. I think your requirement is fairly common, though I have yet to see one fitted with the factory fuel foor nor the grab bars, either one of these items are easily come by (by US reference point of course), and both of them are not time-consuming to put on. You may want to check on the fuel door status, when I bought mine it came with a locking gas cap, but I've heard they since stopped shipping the gas cap, it's not a big deal, just an extra item to source.

I'll let you know soon as I get more info from the dealer.

Encino is approx. 20 miles N by NW of LAX. This is probably very premature, but do you have a color in mind? Are you looking for a later 05 production with the factory tire carrier as well as the extra brake lights on the rear bumper caps? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks!

I'm kinda between 2005 and waiting for 2006 to come out. Anyways, I definitely want to get rid of the tire carrier and have the spare placed inside as it used to be. I didn't know about the brake light upgrade. Do you know a site that have pictures of them? I would imagine I dislike them too, so my question is does 2004 back bumper and plastic cover, licence plate light and installing hardware for the in-cabin sparetire fit later 2005 and 2006 models. My H2 will be black, no questions asked

You are right about some of the options I long for are types that can be aquired and installed later so they will be not a show stopper for me. But I often see used H2's with different other options on them and I'm little sceptic about taking them off once they have been installed (like brush guard etc.) I would also like to have factory black tubular step rather than chrome, but I believe that exchange is quite easily fixed with pretty much any Hummer dealer out there.

Thanks a great deal!

btw, is this considered used??? -> Black H2

W1N I don´t know about Finland. But when registrating a car coming from outside of the EU to sweden everything needs to be standard.
For example a Lingenfelter would not be accepted buy the registrationauthorities over here.
You might wan´t to check the regulations in Finland.


Peter

W1N,

Here's a pix of the updated 2005's:

For EU use, you may just be able to modify the circuit & turen one of them into a rear fog, which I believe is required?

While I am still waiting for info from the dealer, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to see if any member here is affiliated with dealers on the right (east) coast? Getting the vehicle to port would be a bit easier, not to mention the cost for truck or rail.