Do we need a shaky outfit like Blue Ribbon Coalition?
Eagle Ridge Park here in B.C. is being closed off recreation vehicles for the next 5 years to encourage recovery and regrowth and trail repair. It was supported by even the Off-Road community by an astounding vote of 752 yes vs. 119 no with 1500+ no votes. Just got results by e-mail.
Sometimes closures are good. In 5 years it's gonna look spectacular again.:beerchug: |
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Sort of like the farmer who rotates his fields. That's a good idea.
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I agree! It's a good idea to give the trails some time off!
This sport is getting bigger and bigger each year; and it would seem that the trail etiquette of the newbs are becoming more irresponsible every site I go to. There are many newb Jeepers, FJers, H3ers, and others that are fresh into the sport that just don't have a clue as to wth tread lightly is all about. They end up leaving broken U joints, tie rods, front diffs, garbage, and venturing out into off limits trails and private land. Some of them even post the pics of them doing it. :lame: Each of us has the resposibility of educating them... even if it labels you as that "A hole" to correct him/ her from ruining the sport for the rest of us. |
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In some cases that is true, but in others it is not.
The frequent violators of tread lightly standards are the old timers who resist change. It is not uncommon to hear an oldtimer say "I've been coming here for 20 years and no one is going to tell me I can't do it anymore". As well, a good deal of the resource damage pics I've logged are caused by motorcycles and ATV's. Mostly because they can go almost anywhere...they do. The good thing is to recommend a training course that emphasizes Tread Lightly, Hummer Happenings are great for that. The most important thing like you say is to help educate, donate to organization like Blue Ribbon Coalition and United Four Wheel Drive Assoiation, and to give back, if you spend time wheeling the trail, you should also spend time fixing it.:fdance: |
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The most important thing like you say is to help educate, donate to organization like Blue Ribbon Coalition and United Four Wheel Drive Assoiation, and to give back, if you spend time wheeling the trail, you should also spend time fixing it.:fdance:[/quote]
Don't forget the Timgco HUMMER Support Fund. This is the most important fund at this time! 08's are due out in less than a month now. :dancingbanana: EDIT: and if Kira reads this, it must bean AE typing this!!!:twak: |
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I don't think Blue Ribbon needs funding. They really aren't the off-road enthusiast small timers they purport to be. Quote:
http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/0620-06.htm http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=18 http://lowbagger.org/blueribbon.html But yea, lots of your favorite trails have dates and weekends dedicated to picking up and maintaining trails. You still get to drive them, you just meet a lot of cool people and pick up ignorant jerks trash, it feels good.:) |
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Why do they have to make you do the work? Can't they just fill it back on their own? |
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They pose as a grass roots organization, when they're really represented by big oil, big coal, and big wood. Once those trails and lands are deemed unprotected, the companies can move in, close the trails and do their biz. Yeah, I'll really support Blue Ribbon.... Whatever... |
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Because, the Feds don't have the money to do it, regardless of how much money they get from our tax dollars and from "green sticker " programs. Somehow it manages to get diverted to research so the Sierra Club can force them to count those yellow legged frogs. Their answer it to close it. So if we pony up the labor and materials, front loaders and a lot of REALLY BIG GUYS, we maintain the trail and get to keep it open. |
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You and Alec post the links. You're obviously talking elsewhere about this thread. How many DUES paying members are there vs the Sierra Club? Quote:
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We're all for preserving what little we've got and hopefully expanding to new areas, but from what I'm reading BRC isn't the place to put the cash. I believe that working with environmental groups to come up with a mutually acceptable plan would be most acceptable and palatable to all. Find a common ground among groups. Work with the Nature Conservatory and the Sierra Club. Both of those need to be educated and understand what Tread Lightly really means. |
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So many things are not what they seem. Who are the stakeholders? Those are the one's trying to benefit in one way or the other. Post them up. |
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Donating is great. Just do it to the proper organizations that have the same goal as you. I'm not convinced at all that BRC is right for the ORV community. There are alterior motives there that have been plainly posted. Communication is the key. If ORV groups would communicate with the large, true, conservators, I believe compromises, and benefits for both could be worked out. |
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It's late, I'm going to bed and look forward to links to the stakeholders of BRC.Better yet, how about links to more reputable organizations that are actually looking out for the ORV-end-use user.I'll say it again, I believe J's heart is in the right place, but BRC is the wrong place to put the love.If I'm wrong, please show it so we can move on, donate, and contribute.
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Whoa. Easy now.:D You could have just said something earlier. I just remembered hearing something about them and googling it. The more I read, the more shocking it became. Maybe you are right, maybe that's all they do. Maybe they don't get donations from them anymore, or skeem for those companies. But it's scary to think that it may be an organization for some of those companies. That they might be doing that behind the scenes. There is are different motives for some to keep land "public" and not "protected". Small changes in any law can allow land to later be used for logging/mining/development whatever- and you can't have a trail through any of those. It would be public for no one. Those companies wouldn't donate just for the heck of it. But yea, maybe they stopped. (?) Quote:
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They seemed to be on the extreme side, just as ELF is on the other side. Protecting the environment is a good thing. Big companies are shameless, I was looking on the side of caution while the name was brought up. Sorry it offended you and Alec.:giggling: And when I suggested the apparently low task of "picking up trash", I was suggesting what some of us can do. I also mentioned maintence as well and some trails out this way use large equipment for maintenance. Tellico uses huge a huge 5 ton and other equipment for some of theirs - hence Tellico adding the extra $5.00 to the admission fee which you thought was such a big deal here: http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=24758 I am sorry I said something in this thread. I didn't mean for some people to get all schizo. |
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Oh yea, I just checked my email. I guess my mere single post last night warranted this email from Alec.
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I didn't think I was attacking but thanks, Bitch. :rolleyes: |
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Alec, after all this time I was hoping you'd grown out of your schitzoid psycho drunk rants, but I guess you haven't. Back on point, no one was attacking anyone. J pointed out the BRC as a place to donate to, we brought up counter-productive issues with the BRC. That's called debate and totally warranted when it involves something as important as keeping trails open, and/or opening new ones/closing old ones. Now if you want to defend a lobbying group that is supported by big business, re: controlled by big business, then go ahead. But when those trails you're defending become unusable by the recreational off roader because business's are now using the trails as roads to move oil, timber and other resources, don't come crying here. The BRC won't be there for you. The BRC is using new legislation to take over those lands it wants open. Didn't you read anything? |
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