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Like you don't know..... :giggling:

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RYD, I buy into everything you said, except: Everyone knows there are no Jews in Georgia. :giggling:

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I would just like to point out that myself and most of the men on the HX trips with Hollie banged her, she pays her dues to HX this way. Not really worth $30 a year if you ask me but that's another story.

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LMAO!!! That's funny right there.:clapping:

I'm just repulsed by this whole thing and what conclusions society as a whole will come to with regard to the Hummer community.

Actually, it will just re-enforce their beliefs that Hummers, and Hummer owners are bad for the community, and bad for the world.

One club's actions may very likely cost us everything Hummer, through Tread Lightly and other programs, has put into building the Hummer image.

Shame on the X club. They should boot those members.:rant:

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Regardless of how I feel about the cocksucker AlecW, I'm glad he stepped up to the plate to support Hummbebe and bring this HX sh1t to our attention by giving us the full story.:beerchug:

That's the first PM from him in a long time that I actuallly read.

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Speaking of getting plowed in a restricted area, why hasn't HIHUMMER come back on? Is she still banned over here? I guess she hasn't passed the hotel room key to the mods yet.

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this is defintly the fastes growing thread in the amount of time ever!

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Hey sweety, I'm here, but I've been banned a few times so I'm not sure how long untli Im banned again.

Listne to me, Bobby let me drive his truck to forge a new trail. That's all we did. We made a new trail through some brush in a meadow.

It shouldn't be a protected area anyway. It's just a field.

I've done the samething in GA, PA, and TN. It's no biggy.

Our club members even liked the new trail so it shouldn't even be an issue.

Why the hell do you all care anyway?

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Photographic Proof Required!:beerchug:

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The real question is why YOU DON'T CARE?

It's people like you who get trails and wheeling areas closed down. That's why we care.

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Those members should be made an example of!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS!
...And should have not only been fined, but also should have paid and contributed to the repairs in CO and UT.

I hope X Club will step up and make things proper! Since this was a sanctioned event with a club, some ground rules should have been set.

The fuel leaking POS H1 should have stayed at home or on the trailer for that matter. That should have been the trail leader's job for each day. ...making sure vehicles were mechanically safe to attend. Anti's are always keep an eye out to use things like this as an ammo against us all! ...esp. in Moab.

Not only operating an off road vehicle in the manner that Bobby did was irresponsible, dangerous, and could have endangered other's lives in the wrong situation, but the owner new what he/ she was doing without any regard!!! Way to set an example Bobby! Dumb ****! :lame: HIHummer, you should have known better as well. You've been "around" the off road community long enough to know better.

Props to Alec and Beebs for stepping up to the repairs and hunting down the groups taking charge of the BFG advertised trail. I have plans to be there around halloween. I'm sure the local group will be happy to see a HUMMER owner join them on the trail now. ;) I plan to take pics as to how the trail is recovering from this irresponsible act.

As for the X Club board members viewing this, you guys really need to look at the big picture, don;t take this as a personal hit, act soon. A small contribution doesn;t set things back to square one.

You;d be suprised at how many groups, supporters, haters, supporting companies, are viewing these threads. The thread(s) are out on Pirate, CO4X4, among a couple others I frequent. The two mentioned above have been removed thanks to a couple of mods over there. You should have heard some fo the comments made about the dumb $ hit HUMMER owners that ruined this trail. Guilt by assocation whether we were there are not.

I understand clubs go through growing pains, but damn! Outing the only two members that actually did something about it immediately! Those are the times where your members can make or break a club.

...my 2 cents on this whole deal!

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Here's why. I'll quote Bill Burke"

I am displeased, disgusted, angry and afraid!! Why? I just returned from the Moab area after two weeks ‘wheeling around and spending time with new and old friends and my family. I spent some time on the hard as well as the easy routes and what I saw (witnessed actually is the term) incited me to come up with the adjectives I started this diatribe with and believe me I toned the adjectives down!
I have been guiding/training in and around Moab for about 18 years and have attended as many Easter Jeep Safari events. I have attended many national and international events and have been lucky to ‘wheel in some of the most pristine world class areas as well as some garbage dumps! What I saw this last week really sickened me and makes me wonder why I continue to be aligned with this sport and the people that purport to really care where and how they drive on designated 4-wheel drive routes in public access areas. I am not talking about the OHV parks or the Rock Crawling events on private lands, I am expressing this disdain about the “guests” that are invited to ‘wheel in my back yard where I work, live and play. They basically left the toilet full of effluence, no toilet paper, the sink full of dirty dishes and soiled my finest linen – that is how I see it. Here is how I actually saw it!
Displeased! Following “rock crawling” type built rigs along Pritchett Canyon, these overly built rigs couldn’t make the rock pile so they drove into the wash and the illegal by-pass made by other weak-kneed wannabees that can build a rig but not drive on a difficult obstacle. HEY! You made the choice and selected the VDL hard core route, deal with the obstacles. Take a strap or use the winch, but stay true to the route. If you can’t do the original route don’t drive up Pritchett! Better yet stay home on the porch ‘cause you may have a “big dog” rig but you are certainly not up to the “big dog” task!
Disgusted! Driving along the route called Metal Masher, my son and I observed where there used to be an obstacle that was (still is) quite challenging -- a large slick rock face steep and tall. It was obviously not enough for the “rock rig wannabees” since they had to move over foot by foot to assault the entire ledge for the next 25 yards sideways. The big moment of disgust was when I saw that the Juniper trees (maybe as old as 125 years) that happened to be in the way were crushed and broken in pure indolence and with complete disregard to the natural habitat of the revered old flora. Just wasted the two trees ‘cause they couldn’t hurt the tube frame and already dented body panels. Ammunition for the SUWA folks!
Angry! To put it mildly! I was with clients along the routes of Gold Bar Rim, Bull and Little canyons and we stopped repeatedly to pick up trash along the miles of routes we ran that day. We picked up 53 beer cans, 14 plastic drink bottles, cardboard beer cases, a cooler top, and 2 tee-shirts, among other items. We buried 4 piles of human effluence and exposed toilet paper and tried to smooth over 5 different impact areas where vehicles had driven over prime Cryptobiotic forests leaving tire prints and destruction for really no reason at all other than to “rip it up!” This was only on one of the many days that followed. There is no excuse for that type of wanton destruction, especially since there is so much information in the public arena about the fragile Cryptobiotic soil: DON’T BUST THE CRUST! It is everywhere, just like the plentiful information about HYDRATE OR DIE! Do these people drain the oil on their living room rugs? Do these people even care about ethics?
Afraid! Yes, I am afraid that these people have reinforced the already bad image the general public has about 4-wheelers. So now I have to hang my head down in shame when I visit the local business people in Moab because of the stigma attached to what a few (not as few as one would think) bad apples have done to the desert roads. It just gives groups like SUWA, Sierra Club, the BLM and USFS more ammunition for road closure and to establish more Wilderness Study areas. Because, if those that use it don’t care enough and continue to abuse it, the privilege to recreate on primitive roads in pristine back-country regions will be easier to close and certainly easier to legislate Fee areas and restrictive access. We might as well as start building private OHV parks like the East Coast regions have to do. Or do we restrict the buggy types to only OHV parks and enforce lift, bumper height and tire diameter laws. Or do we close “it” all and just stand against the fence and sigh away the hours?
So, yes, I am afraid! Because these uncaring individuals that actually make up a large group are threatening my livelihood, recreation and environment. We should all be afraid what these people represent. I am sure SUWA loves it.
All the insightful diatribes from the vociferous ‘wheelers about boycotting this establishment or that business amounts to NOTHING and falls on deaf ears when ones backyard is so scurrilously vandalized by what Edward Abbey once coined as “SLOBIVIUS AMERICANUS” are doing to our sport and our land.
Everyone that operates a motorized vehicle should be required to read “Desert Solitaire” by Abbey, in order to get a license. There needs to be a resurgence of a new ethic for the way ‘wheelers should treat this fragile land we are loving to death and closure.
If you build a “rock buggy” type rig so you can attack and conquer, then by all means use it to that end in the area or park made for that. But when ‘wheeling on established 4wd routes, stay on the road and enjoy the journey not the thrill of conquering big rocks off the route and smashing trees and rolling over Cryptobiotic soil. Back country travel and 4-wheeling is about the journey, not fighting nature with machine. If you are one of those that needs to fight nature then go SWIM WITH THE SHARKS! I am sure they will have fun with your body. And we that share an environmental ethic will not even remotely miss. Can you say: “Gene pool selection” and Darwin awards?
Displeased because these “slobivius americanus” exist and recreate with impunity.
Disgusted these people can actually hold a driver’s license and call themselves 4-wheelers.
Angry there are so many of these “bad apples” that the numbers are getting larger and those that care about ethics seem to be getting smaller.
Afraid that the actions of these uncaring, indolent, boorish imbeciles will drive the general public and land managing agencies to start really pushing for road closure, vehicle build restrictions and more government interference.
We should all be afraid. We should all care about environmental ethics and appropriate behavior when operating motorized vehicles on public access lands especially in fragile remote regions. We need to WAKE UP and start working on the tarnished image that seems to be getting more tarnished as we drive along.

Bill Burke

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Tim, I have to agree 100%, but the decision to out those that did this terrible thing rests with the Hummer X Club and it's leaders.

I have a feeling nothing will happen over there. The offending members won't be reprimanded or anything.

WTF, Hummer X Club members got pissed at those that organized a reseeding program to repair the damage.

That's fck'd up.

It's sad the Hummer X Club won't do anything about this.

Heck, they should have already done something.

Frankly, I think it's too late for them to atone for this.

The damage to the Hummer name is done.

The work Hummer has done for the OHV community is crushed.

Those idiots from Hummer X Club have totally screwed the Hummer name.

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X2. Those idiots that have been bashing Beebs and Alec keep harping on the theme that they have been "traitors" and "holier than thou". WTH? How do the good guys end up getting the heat and those dumbasses who tore up the trail get off unscathed? Nice.

Seems to me there are some folks over there who are jealous of Bebe's popularity across the forums and are using this as an excuse for a cover up and to attack her. This is about jealousy and ego which seem to far outweigh the real problem with what happened at Poughkeepsie.

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DEM BOYZ are gonna learn about the JDL real soon...

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Does she DO old men ???

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:iagree:

If I were Phil I'd be upset at Hollie and Alec. Both are Club Chapter presidents or whatever. (I keep thinking of the card game "asshole" for their ranks.:D)

One "president" 's area and the other was in the truck. If you are going to do things so formal- then you better well keep it that way when dealing with issues like this.

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ARE you reading anything thats being typed, DAMN woman can you be that stupid as to the concerns of other people? Its designated as RESTRICTED AREA. It doesn't say "HEY BITCH, do as you want"

You must be one of the CHIEF SCUM SUCKIN, PUSS LICKIN,MAGGOT FARTS...

YOU and BRITNEY are a pair...

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SEE, even GOOEY cares...

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:beerchug: Please forward photos when available. :jump: