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H2 rocks me 11-02-2006 11:13 PM

Will the plane takeoff?
 
A plane is standing on a runway that can move (like a giant conveyor
belt). This conveyor has a control system that tracks the plane's
speed and tunes the speed of the conveyor to be exactly the same (but
in the opposite direction) instantly.

Will the plane be able to take off?

dеiтайожни 11-02-2006 11:18 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Yes.

KenP 11-02-2006 11:24 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
No. The plane is "standing".

Or:

No. The plane isn't moving.

PARAGON 11-02-2006 11:28 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Depends on the plane.

The tires might blow due to the speed.:giggling: ;)

PARAGON 11-02-2006 11:29 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KenP
No. The plane is "standing".

Or:

No. The plane isn't moving.

be able to

BlueTJCO 11-02-2006 11:43 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
it would take off. just think physics, F=m*a. The forward force (from the thrust) in both case is always bigger than the backward force (due to the friction of the wheel and ground, and it's very small compare to the thrust force), therefore the net force is always forward. So the plane will accelerate forward in both cases and take off.

:yawn:
Next Please

BlueTJCO 11-02-2006 11:44 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PARAGON
Depends on the plane.

The tires might blow due to the speed.:giggling: ;)


Thats the correct answer. At 500mph the tires would blow for sure... Aircrafts average take off speed is 120 MPH I think.......

Mrs.ssippi 11-02-2006 11:50 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Blue? No, no the answer is yellow. Yes, yellow and that is my final answer. Wait, can I use my phone a friend?

CO Hummer 11-02-2006 11:51 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
How do you figure the plane can take off when there is no wind moving over the wings to create lift? Can't happen.

BlueTJCO 11-02-2006 11:53 PM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CO Hummer
How do you figure the plane can take off when there is no wind moving over the wings to create lift? Can't happen.


what do you want to bet?:popcorn:

J/K..........Damn, this question gave me a headache like 3 years ago when it originally popped up on the internet........;)

DennisAJC 11-03-2006 12:10 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CO Hummer
How do you figure the plane can take off when there is no wind moving over the wings to create lift? Can't happen.


X2 Unless it's a Harrier.

Adam in CO 11-03-2006 12:23 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Atlanta, Georgia.

Wisha Haddan H3 11-03-2006 12:25 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Yes for self-propelled airplanes but No for gliders towed behind ground vehicles.

In self-propelled airplanes thrust is delivered from the props or jets directly to the air, not to the ground. Since no forward thrust is delivered through the wheels, the conveyor will remain stationary. In fact, the conveyor may even move forward slightly with the plane depending on the amount of friction from the axles and the tire's contact patch. As the plane moves forward through the air, relative airspeed increases, lift is generated on the wings and the plane takes off.

With gliders, thrust is provided by a tow vehicle. If the tow vehicle is a truck on the conveyor, it would deliver its thrust through the wheels to the conveyor. Forward movement would be negated by the conveyor's movement, resulting in zero forward motion. The truck could be going 100 mph (relative to the conveyor) but its airspeed and groundspeed (next to the conveyor) would still be 0. No air would pass over the glider's wings and no lift would be generated for takeoff.

Mrs.ssippi 11-03-2006 12:32 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam in CO
Atlanta, Georgia.

That is not the answer it is yellow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

PARAGON 11-03-2006 12:33 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3
Yes for self-propelled airplanes but No for gliders towed behind ground vehicles.

In self-propelled airplanes thrust is delivered from the props or jets directly to the air, not to the ground. Since no forward thrust is delivered through the wheels, the conveyor will remain stationary. In fact, the conveyor may even move forward slightly with the plane depending on the amount of friction from the axles and the tire's contact patch. As the plane moves forward through the air, relative airspeed increases, lift is generated on the wings and the plane takes off.

With gliders, thrust is provided by a tow vehicle. If the tow vehicle is a truck on the conveyor, it would deliver its thrust through the wheels to the conveyor. Forward movement would be negated by the conveyor's movement, resulting in zero forward motion. The truck could be going 100 mph (relative to the conveyor) but its airspeed and groundspeed (next to the conveyor) would still be 0. No air would pass over the glider's wings and no lift would be generated for takeoff.


Nope

keep trying

CO Hummer 11-03-2006 12:38 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs.ssippi
That is not the answer it is yellow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D



Yellow is always a good answer. :cool:

Adam in CO 11-03-2006 12:40 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Four?

h2co-pilot 11-03-2006 12:46 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CO Hummer
How do you figure the plane can take off when there is no wind moving over the wings to create lift? Can't happen.


X2

Wisha Haddan H3 11-03-2006 12:56 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CO Hummer
How do you figure the plane can take off when there is no wind moving over the wings to create lift? Can't happen.


True that a plane can't take off w/o airflow over the wings to generate lift.

So the underlying question is ... "can a plane generate forward motion (into the wind) on a runway that moves in the opposite direction?"

A car could not, because it generates forward motion by transferring energy to the ground, which would be negated by the conveyor's opposite motion. But a self-propelled plane could still move forward, because it accelerates by pushing the air, irrespective of ground speed or conveyor direction.

CO Hummer 11-03-2006 12:59 AM

Re: Will the plane takeoff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3
But a self-propelled plane could still move forward, because it moves forward by pushing the air, irrespective of ground speed or conveyor direction.


Doesn't the conveyor prevent the plane from moving at all? If so, no movement of air over the wings, no lift.


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