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Why all of the hostility here? No need for it, really.

PhilD, I use my vehicles for hunting in very wooded areas that are mud holes the entire stretch of forest. It's not wise to spend your entire hunting trip using your winch to keep pulling your self deeper into more trouble. After all, I went there to hunt and not 4-wheel the whole time. It was not an assumption, just my personal experience. Sorry if it differs from your own use of your vehicles. These very wooded areas do not allow for vehicles with raised suspension, or you will have trouble making it through the wooded trails with lots of trees close by and over the top of you.

PJ, you could easily just put the winch in the back of a SUT or inside the SUV, if it causes you that much grief. Besides, from the way I understand it the perm-mount bumpers make angles worse than stock.

PJ, the weight of the 9500 Warn cradle & winch came off of my 1/2 ton pickup. I added the stuff to mount the winch on the front and tires started wearing on the inside and not even. I can tell the difference in stiffness with a 9000+ warn on the front end. Drive around with the winch on the front and you too will notice the tire wear.