[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by Agriv8r

so just to get this right, you think you should be able to pay exactly what the dealer paid, NO ! then have him also include the shipping costs, advertising and then the rebates as well??? sounds fantastic, but when the dealers lose the money you are talking about to sell you a car, how do they saty in business?? frankly i dont see any dealer even discussing that senario with you...but it did make for amusing reading...

If you reread what i said was, start going up from the actual cost, not going down from the list. I never paid actual cost but I have bought at dealer net minus ad costs and or delivery charges. The dealer making HOLDBACK is very common and not un-heard-of in many metro markets, smaller markets no...

If I were buying a notebook, or a shirt , or maybe inexpensive cookware i might not haggle as much, but on a $30K, or $40K, or $60K vehicle dam right I want the best price I can get. I worked hard for what I have and what my DADDY told me still holds true: "BETTER IN MY POCKET, NOT THEIRS"