First of all, DRTY's right that the best pilots are killing douschebags in the Middle East instead of drinking berry tea and eating quiche in Saskatoon.
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Originally Posted by DennisAJC
Reading all these excuses I can't help think how competent your Air Force Generals are to label these guys Cream Of The Crop yet you little civilians say otherwise.
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Where's the link to that story? Oh, I see, here it is. It's the Boeing press release, which really says:
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Originally Posted by Boeing
ST. LOUIS, Nov. 04, 1996 -- The Canadian Hornet team, comprised primarily of the 4 Wing out of Cold Lake, Alberta, tallied 30,432.32 points and was the only William Tell participant competing with the F/A-18 Hornet. The Canadian Hornets were competing against F-15s and F-16s belonging to six U.S. Air Force teams. ...
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http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...dc/96-278.html
I can see how you got confused when typing the word "six" and accidentally typed "cream of the crop." And, of course, you accidentally typed the "threw everything at them" quote instead of the real lead "F/A-18 Hornets Sweep William Tell Competition." Silly Canassian.
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Originally Posted by Mr. I - Man
Plus they went against Air Force F-16's & F-15, lets see them go against Marine and Navy F-18 Hornets now thats a dog fight. F-16 is not a dog fighting air craft its more of a close-air support or armed air escort and F-15's are just old school.
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Right also. The F-18s and the F-22s are the only U.S. aircraft that have vectored thrust, are far and away the most superior dogfighters in the U.S. arsenal and probably the world (there are no Canadian-made fighter planes). However, as cool and fun as dogfighting in these competitions must seem, U.S. air-superiority fighters almost always take out enemy fighters at a range of many miles. I don't think there's been a single instance since Vietnam of any enemy fighter coming within three miles of a U.S. fighter in combat and living to tell about it. In short, U.S. fighters have not had to dogfight in the last twenty years, because we shoot down the enemy planes before they can get close enough. We jam their radar and other guidance systems so that they can't get a shot of and then nail them. In any event, the winning planes are all U.S. planes.
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Originally Posted by 3Hummer
had the U.S. thrown out the 22 at them no one stood a chance, one pilot alone could have owned them. As for the airforce there primart AtA was the F-15 which is now being replaced by the 22 which will own anything. ...
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The USAF wargames pitting the F-22 against the F-15 have demonstrated that they have to put eight F-15s on each F-22 to make it even close. And the F-15 is widely considered the best air superiority fighter over the last 30 years (again, no dogfighting needed). That it takes eight F-15s to match one F-22 is pretty amazing when you consider:
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As of 2005, the F-15 in all air forces has an air-to-air combined kill record of 103 kills to 0 losses in air combat, and excluding the case of a Japanese F-15J that shot down another F-15J in 1995 due to an AIM-9 Sidewinder safety malfunction during air-to-air combat training with live weapons). The US and Israel maintain that to date, the air superiority versions of the F-15 (F-15A/B/C/D models) have never been shot down by an enemy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
While the F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s all have the radar signature of a super-heated 27,000 lb chunk of metal, the F-22 has the radar signature of a bird and can cruise supersonic without afterburners. It's considered two generations beyond the F-15 or any other fighter in the world. We could fly 300 of them over Beijing, Moscow, or Ontario, and no one would know it until they hear the sonic booms as we fly away. It truly has no competition. And we won't be giving any of them to the Canadians anytime soon.