winch

[package deal]

i am wanting to buy a winch for my h1. wanted to know if anyone has had anyexperience with this. i would like one that i can switch from front to back via a receiver hitch. where can i order one for the best price and what size do i need. thanks in advance for your help

[Beastmaster]

Sort of. There's a subframe behind it that helps reinforce and takes the majority of the load.

My project (once I find an appropriate Class III receiver to be the sacrificial lamb) will be similar.

Mine will be a bit different than Dave's, where I'll end up covering all 3 holes, and welding the receiver to the entire bumper, with mounting holes to the existing frame points, and gussets to help reinforce the bumper and the receiver.

-Steve

[RonB]

here's kind of a side view. Notice there is little to no loss of approach angle. The Warn sticks out about 3 inches beyond the brushguard mounting brackets. You can see the winch tucked between the frame rails, it's a tight fit! Thats why the control box is on the battery hold-down bracket -- no room on the winch, and putting in front on the bumper is asking for trouble.

[Harley]

that's exactly where I'm coming from...

K

[Harley]

"Warning: To prevent serious injury: Do not use winches to move people:..." ---warning on the Mile Marker website...

...some one had to have gone there ....

K

[Beastmaster]

Stock winch is the Warn 12000. It's claim to fame is that it degrades from the approach angle.

The winch works fine, however.

AMG will not warranty any parts that have a Hydraulic MileMarker attached. They have no issues with the E12000, as far as I have heard.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummer Guy:
I don't remember--who does AM General use for the H1 winch--Milemarker? or Warn... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Beastmaster]

You can do a MileMarker E12000 with the winch mounting receiver plate.

I've been waiting for someone else to do it. Now someone has and wrote something on it.

http://www.rockcrawler.com/techrepor...inch/index.asp

[tower]

The general rule of thumb in off-roading is to employ a winch with capacity 1 1/2 to two times your vehicle weight. Despite needing to overcome friction in many situations, this capacity, along with a mechanical advantage which can be created using a snatchblock, should get you (or anyone else) out of trouble most of the time.

That being said, I have never seen a winch & cradle setup with a capacity over 9,000 lbs. Unless the winch was hydraulic, it would probably be prohibitively heavy. If memory serves, the H1 with gear weighs in at around 8,000 lbs, GVWR. So you would want a winch with at least a 12,000 lb. capacity. Such a cradle setup may exist somewhere, but I have never seen it.

[ckhagman]

Check out http://www.bluehummer.com If he doesn't have it, he might be able to help you out anyway.

Also check out http://www.humvee.net/hid/acc/index.html at the bottom of the page it has some info which might help.

[RonB]

here are some snap shots:
the MM control box mounted to the battery hold down bracket. I moved the winch control connector from the box to the right hand side of the slash shield. It's not the best place, but good for a few months until I figure out a better place. Someone on the HML put theirs in the glove box...interesting!

RB

[RonB]

the warn (stock) winch is very nice, however it adds several inches the the length of the truck and your front approach goes from near 70 deg to 47 (according to the manual). It's also expensive (but one can't really put a price on a quality item that will save our butts in a pickle).

I bought the E-12000. It's a much smaller winch so it tucks between the frame rails behind a cool front bumper mount MileMarker makes. It's also much lighter than the Warn. The E-12k with it's bumper mount weighs roughly 135 lbs (in contrast the Warn with it's mounting/hardware wieghs 162 lbs). The stock bumper/skidplate combo that is romoved is about 25 lbs, so with the MM you add about 110 lbs to the front of the truck (I use Amsteel synthetic and a smaller fairlead and knocked another 38 lbs off the front of the truck). I didn't want to change my front springs (or lose a limb if the cable snapped).

I had to grind down some brackets to make the winch fit, and the control box is a bit wanky (plus there's nowhere to put it). On the HML alot of guys put theirs on the battery hold down bracket, which is what I did. I temporarily put my control connector in the wheel well on the battery shield until I find a cool place to mount it in the truck and/or near the ctis pump.

Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you as much as I was re-reading my post. If no one has pictures of this I could snap a few, but there's really nothing special about my set-up -- I just followed what others had done.

Ron B

[RonB]

To be honest, I haven't used it yet. For me, it is better for four reasons (these reasons can be applied to most all synthetic rope, not just amsteel):
1 - it's 25 lbs lighter (100' amsteel is 4 lbs, 100' cable is 29 lbs).
2 - it's rated at a higher capacity, 20,400 lbs versus 14,400 lbs (please correct me if I'm wrong here -- going by my failing memory).
3 - it's safer -- it won't recoil if it breaks
4 - it's easier to handle -- it won't shred your hand with birrs or freeze in them in winter. It won't kink, or rust. It floats. It's easy to re-spool.

The rope is obviously more prone to rock abrasion, and you have to keep it clean -- but you should really be careful with cable too. The aluminum fairlead is also lower profile and 9 lbs lighter than the supplied MM roller fairlead.

When I had my H2, I had X-Line on the winch. It is similar to Amsteel but has a few other advantages such as handling high heat (it is more expensive, as is the master pull line). There's some pretty cool stuff available out there.

On a side note, MileMarker told me that they have not fully tested synthetic rope on their winches. Rope flattens out when there is weight on it and puts more pressure on the sides of the drum (more friction + more heat). I guess the Warn would be the same?

Ron B

[GeneseeMtn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Stock winch is the Warn 12000. It's claim to fame is that it degrades from the approach angle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steve - I even modified my MileMarker E12k fairlead from the factory configuration to have more approach angle. As is from the factory, it hangs down about 2" below the winch bumper.

[Harley]

Keep me posted!! Send photos, if possible!

K

[Harley]

I have the stock bumper / brush guard. (I started to make a comment about 'wenches' on my bumper... but.. )

I'll send some pics tonight when I get home!

K

[Harley]

how much winching have you done with that cable? I know you like it or you wouldn't still have it. Are you satisfied with it vs. steel?

K

[RonB]

that's what I told the folks at MileMarker -- I was just trying to give the info I heard.

RB

[DRTYFN]

It has the same foot print as the MM12K, but is slightly smaller(length-wise by about 2 inches).
I'm really pleased with the Warn Tabor winch.

Harley, do you have a stock H1 winch bumper? Any pictures? We haven't even thought of making a bumper(yet) for the H1.

[RonB]

the front. I think the smaller fairlead is much cleaner looking and a must for synthetic rope. Shawn at Angry Iron sells Amsteel in a cool green color now. Mine is blue, the green you see is a 10ft. abrasion protection sleve. I couldn't re-use my hook from the old cable because it would not fit on the end of the amsteel rope -- I just use a D-shackle. I got 100' of 3/8 amsteel rope and the fairlead from Willysoffroad for about $230.

[Harley]

Let me know how it goes... I have a guy here in town that will do stuff like that... (I'm not smart enough, I start fires and **** when I start welding....)

K