Turbo Kit for H2

[JZ 97 SS 1500]

Hey folks, we are looking for someone that might be interested in wanting to be a donor H2 for www.proturbokits.com and www.forcedinductions.com H2 turbo kit. Our system will be directed to customers wanting from 400rwhp to 900rwhp. If you are interested in doing this please contact us at 1-256-658-5798, or 1-210-657-2706. We would like to bring some extra horsepower to the Hummer crowd.

Jose

[PhillyPhreak]

Hello,
I beleive FI is doing an Elise right now, correct? Were are you located? Chicago?

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Hey thanks C
I'll start looking into it so I'll be prepared.
Just got off phone with guy on the STS and He is talking with Rick one of the owners and they have a small problem as on the website they are saying in FAQ's dual turbo's not necessary which both parties are agreed upon as far as F body's go. It will not help but, as My converstion with them and the R@D guy backs Me is that on a 6500 lb rig a twin set up would make a big difference as We all know a small turbo spools up quicker and that is what I'm looking for. In a single turbo they size it so there is no lag but it is slower to spool than the size that would be used in twin setup. You would not increase boost but split say 5 psi per turbo instead of 1 turbo with 10 psi to help protect engine etc. He said with the twin You could easily get 1000 HP but stock engine and drive train cannot handle it. I agreed but I was not wanting 1000 Hp I want 500 or so but quicker out of the hole which is what twins would do versus the single. So they are kicking it around some more as STS was trying for an entry level bolt on kit and seems maybe were not thinking about larger rigs running it like H2 or big 1 ton truck. They have just been looking mostly at the F bodies. So they agree in the use We H2 guys would want a twin for but had not thought about it i guess not sure. I told them H2 owners spend I'm guessing way more on there rigs than most people spend on add on for there rides cause We a fanatics and most have the desposable income to spend. Why would you want to leave that market out of the kit offering of twins if they want to spend the money. So basicly We are down to discussing single versus doing a twin setup. I'll just be glad to get it decided and over with so install can get done. I may wait a little more and just go on a put on Magna Charger if it drags out much more, I have one waiting on me if I want it but thought this interesting enough to follow it for a while. About to give up and get My Horses I want. Lack of patience I guess. I could have already had it on a month ago and having fun. C also You are right on the money as far as injectors etc. The R@D guy said He is going to larger injectors on his f body and that We would absolutely go with larger injectors etc. on the h2. So there is added expense just as You told us. If paid for and you buy upgrades inj. etc. with labor it is looking like a person would spend around $5000.
If You install Yourself and leave stock which it will work well that way it is around $3900. Stock injector will work OK only because the kit is designed to work with them. But You will leave power on the table but You get safer power for the ride as it is designed as it will not put much stress on stock sys.
thanks again C

TAZ

[PARAGON]

Jose,

I am far from an expert here but some statements don't make sense. "As for mounting location, the further you mount the turbo away from the heat source the more lag it will have." "I have several customers running the STS sytle system which are now switching back to a conventional system due to the lag created from the heat loss."

Now, heat is a negative for all engine induction systems. It is very misleading to say that further from the heat you get more lag and lag is created from heat loss. While, if you take a standard turbo that it used in the standard setup and place it back in the exhaust flow to where the temps are lower, that turbo's efficiency might be effected, it would simply be a case of redesigning a turbo for that application just as you would any thing else. Certainly the idea of less heat transfer is notable, even if you don't subscribe to the whole relocation idea.

Now back to your original comments. Again, I am no engineer, tuner, builder, expert or anything but if the turbos are designed to turn X,XXX at XXXX temperatures then the turbo "should" be MORE efficient when the exhaust temperature is lower. My reasoning behind this is that colder air is more dense than warmer air (same idea as on the intake side) and since the air is colder and more dense it would be spinning the turbo more, not less.

[Fastest H-Town Realtor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DH22G:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The donor H2 will have to be taken to San Antonio TX. The donor gets the kit at a VERY nice price and labor is included with the price as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so you want our truck for weeks then you are going to then SELL us the kit. maybe youd have a truck and a donor if you were giving it to us. since we are letting you tear our trucks apart!!! think about it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly what I thought...But I thought maybe I was being unreasonable. I feel so much better know knowing I'm not alone...group hug...

[CHarris]

Sounds like a good deal for someone willing to give up their H2 for a few weeks.

A friend of mine engineered his own turbo kit for a LS1 Camaro and finished it up yesterday. It drives awesome - very docile as long as he stays out of it and drives "nicely". Once he punches it, the tires shriek and it takes off hard. It will break the tires loose at 60 - 70 mph no problem. A set up like that with 3000 extra pounds (think H2) would be great, lots of power with out the traction issues (AWD is great for this).

For those seeking the most power, a turbo is the way to go.

Cory

[HummerH2]

Im doing a turbo if someone wants a good installer pm me

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

C I just thought about not needing those parts today as well as I will not need the 2 40 series brand new flowmasters either with dual tailpipe. Actually He said they would R@D from exhaust port back but in My case they would leave the headers on and alter mine abit. I told them i still have all the stock exhaust stuff if they wanted Me to bring to use. He said they only thing they would use would be exhaust manifold and since i spent the money the headers will be just fine. I will get a little perf. help from them but not much. R@D guy wants to try them as He is thinking although headers a not supposed to be needed He is thnking that the large size and smooth flow could benefit the turbo and help it spool even faster. I told Him what ever makes Him happy.
Thanks C for Your help. I have not called the tranny company yet but do they do just an upgrade to My new tranny or do You have to buy thier tranny. They are close enough i could take a road trip and let them rebuild mine or at least trade it in for some kind of credit. I'll get in touch with them but thought you may have already heard anything on this type of swap out.

TAZ

[JZ 97 SS 1500]

The donor H2 will have to be taken to San Antonio TX. The donor gets the kit at a VERY nice price and labor is included with the price as well.

PhillyPhreak, no we are located in the southeast, but the location of the kits build and testing will be in San Antonio TX.

Jose

[PARAGON]

I have been reading about the "perfecting" of turbos recently. The near elimination of turbo lag allowing for power to show up lower in the RPM band. I even think they are showing up on some drag cars now with sounds as if they are going to be permanent.

The Squires system showed up here a few weeks ago and that's what got me to studying the subject. The Squires remote mount system reduces the heat issue and they can run smaller impellers which provides the boost earlier. In effect charging the the intake pipe even at idle but with electronic control allowing for fingertip control of the overall amount of boost.

It seems like with the turbos, they have overall created induction that can create tremendous more boost but keep it in check by using wastegates and electronic control. So, they have smaller impellers creating boost at a lower RPM and then able to control the top end of that boost using the wastegate/electronic control.

I am no expert, engineer, owner, tuner, etc but this stuff like this always intrigues me.

[DH22G]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The donor H2 will have to be taken to San Antonio TX. The donor gets the kit at a VERY nice price and labor is included with the price as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so you want our truck for weeks then you are going to then SELL us the kit. maybe youd have a truck and a donor if you were giving it to us. since we are letting you tear our trucks apart!!! think about it

[CHarris]

No problem... gald you got the info you needed to make the best decision. As I said I was tempted by the STS kit. I was especially tempted because they are based in Utah and the shop is about 800 miles away. I would have taken the truck over and got it protoyped right there. Had I done it the H2 would already be protyped and ready for mass consumption

The cool thing is that whichever you choose you can pass some of your current mods on to other power hungry H2's. You don't need the programmer or the Cold Air intake that you have anymore. Neither kit will require them.

[CHarris]

I'm guessing you would want someone nearby to one of these businesses for the prototyping time period. What is in it for the H2 donor?

Thanks,

Cory

[JZ 97 SS 1500]

Hey guys, with the correct turbo in either a twin or single setup you could virtually do away with lag all together. As for mounting location, the further you mount the turbo away from the heat source the more lag it will have. I have several customers running the STS sytle system which are now switching back to a conventional system due to the lag created from the heat loss. Remember, turbos are tested and developed using 1100 degree inlet temps. When you mount a turbo in the rear, your lucky if it sees 600 degrees. Which means the turbo does not get enough exhaust gas velocity to efficiently turn the turbine, and the compressor map is shifted way out of its efficiency range.

For the ones that have contacted us, we will try to design the system around what you are wanting and what the general public wants. Feel free to voice what you want. We are figuring a quick spooling torquey setup looks to be the general consensus.

For any others interested please contact Dalton directly at 1-210-657-2706.






Thanks

Jose

[PARAGON]

Dogg, I don't know if Banks offers something other than the traditional turbo setup.

Theirs are designed around the 2000+ RPM range and we need some umph below that.

[CHarris]

I looked pretty hard at the STS kit myself before I settled on the Radix. The thing that worried me most is that the air intake is under the truck unless you do a remote mount for it with a lot of extra piping. They say that water intake has not been a issue with the STS, but I would be worried for you guys that get out there off road in the deep water. Most of the STS users that I have read about are running street trucks. Another STS concern is that you should upgrade your fuel injectors and fuel pump as they are not included in the kit. Tuning isn't included either.

The Radix costs more but that is because it has everything included.

[CHarris]

The Squires is a good kit, it just takes more money to make it work than a person might anticipate from the kit price. I considered it but decided not to because we have so much rain and sand on the roads in the winter. I didn't want that worry of debris getting in the turbo and engine.

As far as lag goes they size the turbo and the case to minimize lag. They have some great success stories over on LS1Tech.com

[NU2H2]

Hey All,
As some of you may know I have been a member on here for a little while now and have done more reading and learning than posting, however I feel I must reply to this thread. I am the Regional Sales Manager for STS in the South/East region of the US, and I have never brought it up as I dont feel it is right as I am not a sponsor nor do I participate enough yet to have earned the trust and respect of the fellow members of this great site. Having said this I am a little intreagued by the comments made by a fellow turbo company. I Think maybe each turbo system should be sold on its own merrits not by claiming so-called and unfounded failures or short falls of the competition's systems. Our system is not for everyone but please let the consumer make that choice. I am not really sure that a conventional turbo or a supercharger system will be a sound investment for those who "hard core" off road and sink the H2 in water up to the doors during river crossings, its horses for courses.
Let the fun begin there will be more that a couple of companies offering Forced induction for the H2's and there is room for everyone and every type of kit.

[CHarris]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
I have not called the tranny company yet but do they do just an upgrade to My new tranny or do You have to buy thier tranny. They are close enough i could take a road trip and let them rebuild mine or at least trade it in for some kind of credit. I'll get in touch with them but thought you may have already heard anything on this type of swap out.

TAZ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are going to want your transmission as a core or to actually build your transmission for you.

About those headers... I wouldn't use a $1000 set of long tube headers as the basis for a underhood turbo set up. They sell "log" type headers just for that purpose and they would be cheaper. Personally, I think you are better off to take the long tubes off and sell them. You should be able to recoup at least 60% of the purchase price of the headers if they are stainless. As a matter of fact, my friend who just put a turbo on his LS1 Camaro (11.50 at 120 on his second dragstrip pass!) used a log style. The turbo will push the exhaust gas through just fine.

[drmiles]

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