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11-30-2009, 04:19 PM
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4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
Here's my mods:
K&N cold air intake
Gibson shorty headers
Flowmaster exhaust
Cognito upper control arm leveling kit
Cognito HD OEM-style tie rods
Cognito pitman/idler kit/support
Bilstein front shocks
37x12.50x17 BFG Mud Terrains
Since the mods the truck feels like it can't get out of its own way...like its working its ass off just to move down the road.
I'd like to get the truck back to the stock feel regarding acceleration and shifting...and figured gears would be the next step to help the engine move the wheels more effectively (and maybe more efficiently...while mileage is not my biggest concern, it is on my mind. Before the above mods I was averaging 12.1mpg, now I'm at about 10.4mpg.)
I've orders a Superchips Cortex 2950 to reprogram for the tire size change but am having difficulty deciding between 4.56 or 4.88.
The H2 is pretty much my daily driver. I have a convertible, but it only comes out in the summer. The truck's driving breaks down as follows:
Approximately 18,000 miles per year
City (50%)
Highway (35%)
Off-Road (15%)
So...GEAR EXPERTS...what changes to acceleration, shifting, MPG, etc. should I expect to occur by:
1. Reprogramming with the Cortex for the change in tire size WITHOUT changing gears?
2. Reprogramming with the Cortex for the change in tire size AND changing my stock gears to 4.56?
3. Reprogramming with the Cortex for the change in tire size AND changing my stock gears to 4.88?
Thanks in advance!
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11-30-2009, 07:06 PM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
I used the Hypertech and the Superchips programmers on my past H2's. Sin ceyou can change the shift patterns and shift firmness, you can get better than the stock feel back.
If you do gears, TomP and RuggedH2 have both done 4:56's. Tom P is running 37's and Rugged run 37's for his daily driver and than switches out to 38's for off road trips.
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11-30-2009, 07:11 PM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
Tim, I thought Rugged had 4.88s?
If you are only going with 37s - get the 4.56s. If you do the 4.88s with 37s on a daily driver, you will virtually have no first gear (it will shift to 2nd too fast) and shifting will be too frequent
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12-01-2009, 01:16 AM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
i have 4.88's with 38's, and it's perfect. I also have the Superchips programmer, but the gears made the bigger difference.
Charles
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12-01-2009, 03:03 PM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
4.56 gears with 38's (which actually measure about 37) is the exact equivalent of the stock 33" tall tires (though they are listed as 35's, they are really only 33" tall) with 4.10 gears.
When I did my first H2, I did the 38's and the truck was gutless. I lost 2-3 mpg on top of it.
I installed the 4.56's and it brought the gear ratio (and speedometer) right back to where it was from the factory.
The truck gained my lost mileage.
Now, having said that... I would have gone with 4.88's.
In fact, I just made a post because I JUST got off the phone with Summit and ordered some 4.88's.
Even with a supercharger, the stock 4.10's with 38's aren't enough.
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12-01-2009, 03:16 PM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
When I was tire shopping, I did a little research before ordering the tires. On some of the tire manufacturers' websites, they list the "actual" tire diameter. The 38's I have are very close to a 38. They're like 37.8 inches, or something. But beware, as stated above, many tires are not the advertised size.
The service manager at my Hummer dealership stated that he's had a few lifted H2's come through his shop, but none of them drive as well as mine, unless they have a supercharger.
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12-01-2009, 11:32 PM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
Thanks to everyone for their feedback.
After reading through this and other posts, educating myself on exactly "how" gears work, and playing around with figures in 4lo.com's gear/tire calculators, I've elected to go with the 4.56s from trailduty.com.
I think the 4.56s together with my other mods will give me exactly what I'm looking for...a little better then stock performance but close to stock mpg. I'll post back with some of my own feedback once I get the job done. I've been tracking my mpg pretty closely, so I should be able to post some fairly solid numbers for those of you who are concerned with that.
I'm scheduled to drop the truck off at the dealer Monday...they quoted me $558 for the front, $558 for the rear, plus fluid and miscellaneous expenses; with the total not to exceed $1,400. That may be a little high, but I trust their mechanics as they've done all my other work (warranty and aftermarket) for years and it's always been top notch.
I'll keep you posted...thanks again.
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12-03-2009, 05:14 PM
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Re: 4.56 or 4.88...that is my question.
Still waiting on the 4.56s to arrive, but I moved forward with the reprogram using the Superchip Cortex 2950.
I selected a performance tune and programmed in new tire size. NICE results! Based upon my typical city/highway driving to and from work yesterday and today I'm back up to 12.0 mpg and the truck's acutally got some pep in its step.
I haven't felt an automatic shift like that since I put a shift kit in my '70 Fastback years ago. The new shift points are awesome...really starting to get the power back to the wheels. I think the gears will be the icing on the cake.
I guess I'm just impressed that a 'tune' could make such an improvement.
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