New H2 Winch Questions

[MarineHawk]

Looking at a new H2 with the adventure package with the intent to push it to design limit on the national forest trials.
I’m getting conflicting advice on winches. One dealer says this (http://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-s...r_kit_h2.shtml) is the best way to go because (1) it looks great, and (2) it affects the approach angle less than the add-on ones that protrude further. I tend to agree, but another dealer said that the best way to go was with the portable tow-hitch versions because, he says, the don’t really hurt your approach angle (seems counter-intuitive to me), and (2) you can winch forward or backward. Another factor seemingly in favor of the first option is that the tow hitches are, I believe, rated to 5,000 lbs. Isn’t putting a 9,500 lb winch on a 5,000 lb tow hitch a bad idea? (see http://www.4x4now.com/bb0197.htm).

[MarineHawk]

Dochummer:
I appreciate the advice. I looked but couldn’t find any photos. Do you know where I can find some?

DRTYFN:
I decided to split the difference and go for an H2 after to educating myself on how good the they really are off-road despite my concerns about the higher crawl ratio than the H3, etc. Thanks for the spelling tip. Maybe you can point out that PARAGON left his comma outside his quotation mark as well. Grammar imperfection should not be tolerated – especially in a 4x4 forum.

PARAGON
I did “Check the specs,’ and it says “If you’ll be pulling a trailer that, when loaded, will weigh more than 5,000 lbs, be sure to use a properly mounted, weight-distributing hitch and sway control of proper size.” See FN 4. I.e., don’t use the stock trailer hitch for hauling more than 5,000 lbs. It also says “trailer tongue weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight, up to 700 lbs.” I.e., don’t put more than 700 lbs of vertical stress on the hitch. Probably not good for winching. Please feel free to “go study some more and then come back with legitimate” criticisms if that’s what you like to do with your time.

[dochummer]

Well, you'll have to ask the guy that posted after I did. Hopefully you're not pissed at him, or he's not pissed at you.... Happens a lot to noobs.... Right Drty?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarineHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarineHawk:
PARAGON
I did “Check the specs,’ and it says “If you’ll be pulling a trailer that, when loaded, will weigh more than 5,000 lbs, be sure to use a properly mounted, weight-distributing hitch and sway control of proper size.” See FN 4. I.e., don’t use the stock trailer hitch for hauling more than 5,000 lbs. It also says “trailer tongue weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight, up to 700 lbs.” I.e., don’t put more than 700 lbs of vertical stress on the hitch. Probably not good for winching. Please feel free to “go study some more and then come back with legitimate” criticisms if that’s what you like to do with your time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks, makes it much more fun to point out how stupid you are.

H2's manufacturer suggested Max Trailer weight is 6,700 lbs. Has nothing to do with using a weight distributing hitch or not. A weight distribiting hitch has no bearing on the horizontal forces applied to the receiver hitch. A 6,700 pound trailer pushing you from the back or being jerked by the truck, is 6,700 pounds of rolling mass no matter how it is connected.

Vertical load rates on the receiver is of little concern for winching applications, but you can easily lift the front or rear of the 7,000 lb H2 off the ground using the winch in the cradle without damaging anything. Point is, einstein, that tonque weight ratings and trailer weight ratings have less to do with capability of the receiver system itself than it does with the overall vehicle's capability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PARAGON:
I'll just dodge you're witty insults and just say: H2 has a Class III hitch. Class III hitches are designed to have no more than 5,000 lbs of force exerted on them, whether by yanking them around by a winch or by towing a trailer of that weight. Forget the tongue weight rating for a second, FN4 in the specs says don't pull more than 5,000 lbs with your Class III hitch - that's a horizontal force, and that's for the stock hitch.
And I may be wrong for having this concern, but I just merely asked the question. Please just take your psychosis meds. There's no reason to get angry when someone asks a question about winches, unless you're psychotic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I won't dodge your unwitty, stupid insults.... Oh, look, you didn't either.

And OH NO!!!!! Engineers must be much dumber than you (of course you can't comprehend your own statements) for saying that the H2 can tow a 6,700lb trailer if it only has a receiver rated for 5,000 lbs.

Check again. The H2 DOES NOT have a Class III Hitch RECEIVER (the part that's on the truck). The H2's receivers are designed into the front and rear frame and are not add-ons. It will accept at standard Class III HITCH (the part that slides INTO the receiver). Funny, it also will accept a Class IV hitch AND is what should be used if you pull max trailer weight.

Get it now or are you still stumpid.

[KenP]

Love it and can't wait to see it!

[MarineHawk]

Please forgive the following questions if they are also uninformed (I'm asking because I just don't know enough myself to make a couple of decision): Someone told me to get a synthetic winch line instead of a steel cable. Good advice?
On the Hummer website, they offer as an option "Rod Hall Shocks." Are these or any other shocks somehow better for off-roading than the ones that come standard on the H2?
Thanks in advance for any comments (excepting any relating to how stupid I am).

[MarineHawk]

I won't do either.

[KenP]

I wonder how all those winches worked so well in Moab while attached to the receiver?

[PARAGON]

Go study some more and then come back with legitimate questions. Using your "thoughts", the H2 is only capable of pulling a 5Klb trailer or less. Check the specs.

Secondly, and most importantly, the physics of winching and the physics of pulling a trailer are completely different and can't be compared. It's short-sighted to even draw a comparison.

[dochummer]

I wonder if they make a "seahawk blue" line....

[MarineHawk]

??

[dochummer]

I do remember hearing somebody yelp during that part of the vid...

[dochummer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarineHawk:
DRTY? Is that you? The seller of the famous DRTY winches? If so, let me know - I'm probably either getting one of those or one of the Warn ones and your seem to be <STRIKE>better</STRIKE> <span class="ev_code_BLUE">more better</span> recommended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarineHawk:
how will either the Ranchos or Rod Hall shocks affect the performance off road versus the ones that come standard? Is it a significant difference? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm putting the Rod Hall shocks on next week...if they ever return my call. Longer travel than stock, different valving than stock, external cooler bottle thing that's supposed to keep the fluid cool longer, and definitely neat looking. That's my expert opinion. The Bilsteins I had wore out after around 10k miles.

[Racer-X]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Where do you get these DRTY bumpers, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh god! you don't want to know!

Kidding DRTY....Kinda.

BTW, whoever told you the reciever winches do nothing to approach angle is an idiot. I have one and they affect it greatly.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarineHawk:
PARAGON
I did “Check the specs,’ and it says “If you’ll be pulling a trailer that, when loaded, will weigh more than 5,000 lbs, be sure to use a properly mounted, weight-distributing hitch and sway control of proper size.” See FN 4. I.e., don’t use the stock trailer hitch for hauling more than 5,000 lbs. It also says “trailer tongue weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight, up to 700 lbs.” I.e., don’t put more than 700 lbs of vertical stress on the hitch. Probably not good for winching. Please feel free to “go study some more and then come back with legitimate” criticisms if that’s what you like to do with your time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks, makes it much more fun to point out how stupid you are.

H2's manufacturer suggested Max Trailer weight is 6,700 lbs. Has nothing to do with using a weight distributing hitch or not. A weight distribiting hitch has no bearing on the horizontal forces applied to the receiver hitch. A 6,700 pound trailer pushing you from the back or being jerked by the truck, is 6,700 pounds of rolling mass no matter how it is connected.

Vertical load rates on the receiver is of little concern for winching applications, but you can easily lift the front or rear of the 7,000 lb H2 off the ground using the winch in the cradle without damaging anything. Point is, einstein, that tonque weight ratings and trailer weight ratings have less to do with capability of the receiver system itself than it does with the overall vehicle's capability.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dochummer:
I wonder if they make a "seahawk blue" line.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You replace the Steel one with that.

Really, I thing the Steelers are going to win.

[KenP]

Hey, looking at that pic I now realize what the plastic plugs are for. Duh... Glad I saved them...

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dochummer:
I wonder if they make a "seahawk blue" line.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You replace the Steel one with that.

Really, I thing the Steelers are going to win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I thought they already won the SupperBowl

[MarineHawk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarineHawk:
PARAGON
I did “Check the specs,’ and it says “If you’ll be pulling a trailer that, when loaded, will weigh more than 5,000 lbs, be sure to use a properly mounted, weight-distributing hitch and sway control of proper size.” See FN 4. I.e., don’t use the stock trailer hitch for hauling more than 5,000 lbs. It also says “trailer tongue weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight, up to 700 lbs.” I.e., don’t put more than 700 lbs of vertical stress on the hitch. Probably not good for winching. Please feel free to “go study some more and then come back with legitimate” criticisms if that’s what you like to do with your time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks, makes it much more fun to point out how stupid you are.

H2's manufacturer suggested Max Trailer weight is 6,700 lbs. Has nothing to do with using a weight distributing hitch or not. A weight distribiting hitch has no bearing on the horizontal forces applied to the receiver hitch. A 6,700 pound trailer pushing you from the back or being jerked by the truck, is 6,700 pounds of rolling mass no matter how it is connected.

Vertical load rates on the receiver is of little concern for winching applications, but you can easily lift the front or rear of the 7,000 lb H2 off the ground using the winch in the cradle without damaging anything. Point is, einstein, that tonque weight ratings and trailer weight ratings have less to do with capability of the receiver system itself than it does with the overall vehicle's capability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PARAGON:
I'll just dodge you're witty insults and just say: H2 has a Class III hitch. Class III hitches are designed to have no more than 5,000 lbs of force exerted on them, whether by yanking them around by a winch or by towing a trailer of that weight. Forget the tongue weight rating for a second, FN4 in the specs says don't pull more than 5,000 lbs with your Class III hitch - that's a horizontal force, and that's for the stock hitch.
And I may be wrong for having this concern, but I just merely asked the question. Please just take your psychosis meds. There's no reason to get angry when someone asks a question about winches, unless you're psychotic.