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04-22-2003, 01:38 PM
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One idea. It's the same system as the dealer will sell/install for $1300.00. Install is a breeze as you can see.
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04-29-2003, 02:04 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> With the two snatch blocks that Paragon described --- a dual pulley and a single pulley --- (or three pulleys) what would the multiplier be when using say a 9000# winch? Three times or four times? 27,000 pounds or 36,000 pounds?
What would the force on each pulley be? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Think of it this way, each run of line would add another 9000# of force. 1 run no block=9000#, 1block @ tree=18000#, 2nd block @ tow hook back to tree and tied off @ tree=27000#, or through a third block at tree and back to the other tow hook would be 36000#. The strain on the line at any point would still be 9000#. Each block will cut the overall speed by 50% at that block and double the amount of line to be pulled. Overall speed of 100fpm w/o block, would be 50fpm w/1 block @ tree, 25 fpm w/2nd block @ tow hook and tied to tree, 12.5 fpm w/3rd block @ tree and back to other tow hook.
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04-29-2003, 12:46 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGoodHummerMan:
Whew, a lot too learn, but great people helping me...
So, by spreading out the anchors of the pulling forces amongst the front receiver and both tow hooks, the winch can exert an increased amount of force and still not necessarily damage the hitch itself? With the two snatch blocks that Paragon described --- a dual pulley and a single pulley --- (or three pulleys) what would the multiplier be when using say a 9000# winch? Three times or four times? 27,000 pounds or 36,000 pounds?
What would the force on each pulley be?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't think about it as multiplying the force by 2 or 3 times but as cutting the force needed in half or thirds. Each time you get stuck there will be a different amout of force needed. In the H2, I have found that you don't get "barely" stuck. If the vehicle stops moving in mud, you are in bad shape. So think of it this way. Each line that attaches to the vehicle is cutting the needed force from the winch.
So, with one block and the end of the cable anchored back at the winch, there are 2 lines attached to the vehicle and that means you cut the needed force in half. In the set up I had, there were 3 lines attached to the vehicle, so it cut the needed force into thirds.
This may not be the best explanation, maybe someone with physics background can explain better.
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04-22-2003, 06:09 PM
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Thanks for the tips, guys. I wouldn't need to drill on account of the modified extender I have, but would anyway to keep it closer to the vehicle, and hopefully still fit in the garage. It's close now due to the spare carrier and a workbench in the front of my garage.
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04-30-2003, 08:12 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Adam in CO:
So do you guys think the 8000 is enough?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm beginning to think that it's not just the size of the winch but how you use it that counts...
The 8000# winch has about 16% less pulling power for 25% less cost than the 9.5ti model that I just got. The additional power could make the difference between being stuck or recovery. As Dirty Harry asked: Are you feeling lucky?
I guess that I would question how likely it would be that a 9500# winch would succeed when an 8000# winch would not. My "guess" would be that it isn't all that likely to make a BIG difference? But my decision came down to not wanting to have to wonder if I had paid that extra $220 would I have gotten unstuck... that plus it compensates nicely for my other short comings. <grin>
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04-25-2003, 04:02 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I can see it now, getting four people to help me mount that 15000 pound winch on my H2 and jerking the receiver off the frontend...
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Or worse pulling the giant redwood over 
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04-24-2003, 07:09 PM
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I think the weight of the 12000 or 15000 is too much for the multi mount basket, as well as too much for self-recovery to be easy.
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04-25-2003, 03:20 PM
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I tend to suffer from the Tim Allen "More Power Is Better Syndrome" and have discovered the hard way that this motto is often wrong... I think that what I need to do is get some books on 4-wheeling and read several magazines on the sport, before I start investing in equipment. I can see it now, getting four people to help me mount that 15000 pound winch on my H2 and jerking the receiver off the frontend...
THANKS for the info!
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04-29-2003, 03:38 AM
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By jove I think I'm beginning to get it! Now I can see why the "speed" of the winch is important. With two or three snatch blocks, the speed slows way down...
The blocks, if using a winch with a maximum pulling force of 9,000 pounds as an example would need to be rated 18,000#, at least, right... Preferably a bit more for safety?
So, now for the million dollar question. When I get my new H2 stuck, how do I figure out how much force I will need to unstick it? Maybe those books on recovery that just I ordered will help me figure something out for myself! <grin>
I really appreciate all the helpful and friendly info! Can't wait to get my winch...
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04-30-2003, 12:14 AM
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I am currently planning a winch purchase. Warn has developed a mosfet controlled 9500 SI it is powder coated Black. COST is said to be 1300.00 I loved the comment " you never get barely stuck." That was great. I have learned alot on this thread thank you all.
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04-29-2003, 02:33 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by paragon:
This may not be the best explanation, maybe someone with physics background can explain better.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, I think your explanation is pretty darned good... For me to learn anymore might require psychics instead of physics. <grin> I have ordered a couple of books and a video --- since the possibility of injury is possible --- I figure it might help a little.
Thanks a lot for everyone's help!
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04-22-2003, 08:26 PM
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I've never used it, actually. It was in the truck, and had the holes drilled properly to accomodate anything you'd stick in the front receiver. It basicalled turned the holes horizontal from vertical is all.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Does the factory winch come with a harness plug for the front and the back??
The "factory" one only comes with the front plug and remote control. The back plug and associated long cable is an add on accessory as is the winch cover. I had all installed.
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04-28-2003, 11:15 PM
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Whew, a lot too learn, but great people helping me...
So, by spreading out the anchors of the pulling forces amongst the front receiver and both tow hooks, the winch can exert an increased amount of force and still not necessarily damage the hitch itself? With the two snatch blocks that Paragon described --- a dual pulley and a single pulley --- (or three pulleys) what would the multiplier be when using say a 9000# winch? Three times or four times? 27,000 pounds or 36,000 pounds?
What would the force on each pulley be?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
BTW where did you get your 2 pulley snatch block at?
I am interested in finding one.
Post a picture of it if you can.
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Don, it is a block that I have had on my farm for years and really am not sure where it came from. It has something like Block Industries, or Block Inc. on it and I think it says it's rated to 22 tons. It's at the farm, so can't get a picture right away.
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04-22-2003, 01:38 PM
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One idea. It's the same system as the dealer will sell/install for $1300.00. Install is a breeze as you can see.
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04-30-2003, 07:23 PM
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So do you guys think the 8000 is enough?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
After getting stuck when a rear pull was needed and I did not have the rear plug and cable, I can wholeheartedly recommend the rear set up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The 24-foot heavy-duty cable to use Warn winches in the H2's rear receiver costs $118 but not getting it seems a little bit like going on a date with Madonna without condoms...
Does anyone have any experience using or opinions regarding the replacement synthetic winch lines (Master-Pull, X-Line, etc)? Supposed to be 45 - 65% stronger and much safer to use, but Warn reccomends against using them because of the heat weakening them?
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Adam,
Why are you using an extender?
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You might want to take a look at our new winch design that we manufacture. Just go to the website below then online catalog, H2, recovery winch system.
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