Gotta admit when I'm wrong.

[Huck BB62]

Ok, the H3s are all 4.56 ratios. I went to the dealer today to check it out. (they also have a brand new yellow H1 alpha crew cab on the lot! )

The salesman that sold us our H3 reminded me that we looked at quite a few H2s that night, that's probably what had me bojangled.

Just wanted to keep it straight.

[ETD]

Funny thing about that "final axle ratio" commented here and previously: 4.10 vs. 4.56. I wonder where the mixed up came from...

(Hint: go to left hand column, click on "H3 Official Information" then click again on "Detailed specs" and look under "Transmission" )

Huck BB62,

Yea kind of interesting about the different data coming out at various times/places/people at GM. No doubt, only 4:56 ratio in production now. Since they cancelled the 4:10 on the 5 speed, the gear ratios shown on this website are probably wrong also. I'm sure somebody will give the straight answer as to why and complete the story soon.

As to the pricing of the H1 Alpha, the higher the better. The volume is so low that it hardly matters from a business standpoint (high profit margin % on very low volume sales). The H3 is really the only hope to insure Hummer's survival and profitability.

S.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ETD:
Funny thing about that "final axle ratio" commented here and previously: 4.10 vs. 4.56. I wonder where the mixed up came from...

(Hint: go to left hand column, click on "H3 Official Information" then click again on "Detailed specs" and look under "Transmission" ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like some incorrect data on the website as verified via the parts manual and window stickers. Most likely the gear ratios shown are incorrect also, at least for the 5 speed tranny.

S.

[NEOCON1]

5-speed 4.10 ?

[Sewie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
No such thing as an "H1 alpha crew cab". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like you have more admitting to do Huck.

[f5fstop]

Here are some actual window stickers from the GM Buy Power website:
5-Speed manual off-road suspension

Auto standard suspension

5-Speed standard suspension

Auto with Off-road suspension

[fourfourto]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
5-speed 4.10 ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spec sheets say yes, but are they real GM spec sheets? The Hummer H3 book (purchased on Amazon) that many of us have says yes. Somebody might want to look at their MSRP window sticker of their 5 speed H3 and tell us what it says. Windown sticker on Automatics says 4:56. TBD

S.

[Huck BB62]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3 Builder:
I know when we started building H3's, we had both 4.10 and 4.56. Now I haven't checked in a while, so they could have canceled the 4.10. I'll check it out next week and see if what we are now building.

I looked through the plant parts list and it looks like the 4.56 is the only one for the Hummer, now. The 4.10 must have been dropped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know H3, it's funny how some guys gotta try to make themselves feel smarter by putting other people down. You could pull the cover off an axle, SHOW 'em a 4.10 gear set, they'll still post pictures of a guy with their head up their arse.

About the crew cab Alpha, call whatever the heck you want, a four door open top is what it is. It's got four doors and the pickup bed behind it. Took the wife to see, sit in it etc. The thing's awesome but pretty darned impractical. The seating is VERY cramped, the back seat's useless except if four wee midgets are riding in it. It's ready for anything though. The cockpit has more switches in it than a 747. This is one vehicle that I'd have extended warranty on, just to cover all the electronics! Very cool. With my bad knee, it's a real chore sitting in the seat and pulling your knee to your chin to clear the door sill.

I look at the sticker on that Alpha and wonder though, where do they get $135k? I'm figuring about 12k for the engine and tranny, 2k for the tcase, 10k for the portal drive assemblies, $3k extra for the CTIS, 20k for the rest of the rig. How do they get to $135? It is a one and only, that's for sure!

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ETD:
f5fstop, no disrespect meant. I was just highlighting one possible source for the confusion of forum members. Since they post on the forum, I thought that they might have seen the "4.10" info on the site as well. Maybe time for Jason to update the H3 info. What's with the "spy shot" and all </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand. As you can see by the message just above this one...this will never end.
Maybe it is a secret two-speed rear end, similar to a class 8 truck....

[ETD]

f5fstop, no disrespect meant. I was just highlighting one possible source for the confusion of forum members. Since they post on the forum, I thought that they might have seen the "4.10" info on the site as well. Maybe time for Jason to update the H3 info. What's with the "spy shot" and all

[f5fstop]

Here I thought this subject was rested. Not sure how much I have to show to say there is only one gear ratio; 4.56:1? But I will say this is the LAST time I will display any information on what the gear ratio is. If those who want to disbelieve continue to disbelieve, the so be it; I am not losing any more time on the matter.
The following is everything that is in the GM parts manual for total axle replacement. They list two different rear axle assemblies. I'm sure some will still disbelieve, and personally, I don't care.

GM PART PART USAGE DESCRIPTION
15822875 N1 4.56R (HC4), CHAS PKG (Z85) AXLE,RR (4.56 RATIO) (CODE 01 ------ list Display Part FD3,HL1,HU5,JN2) (05.386)

15822876 N1 4.56R (HC4), OFF ROAD SUSP PKG AXLE,RR (4.56 RATIO) (CODE 01 ------ list Display Part(ZM6) EX5,FD4,HL2,HU6,JN3) (05.386)

Sorry if the format is not that enjoyable to read, but this is a direct copy from the GM parts manual. Please notice there are two axles, and that is ALL that they have for replacement. Therefore, with the running of vehicle history builds on all the applicatons possible, the information from the manager of this section, and the parts manual replacments for the axles, I feel this subject should be put to rest. If not, feel free to speculate. But as someone said about opinions....

[Huck BB62]

Ok, the H3s are all 4.56 ratios. I went to the dealer today to check it out. (they also have a brand new yellow H1 alpha crew cab on the lot! )

The salesman that sold us our H3 reminded me that we looked at quite a few H2s that night, that's probably what had me bojangled.

Just wanted to keep it straight.

[H3 Builder]

I know when we started building H3's, we had both 4.10 and 4.56. Now I haven't checked in a while, so they could have canceled the 4.10. I'll check it out next week and see if what we are now building.

I looked through the plant parts list and it looks like the 4.56 is the only one for the Hummer, now. The 4.10 must have been dropped.

Yea the Marketing guys always have their disclaimers for sure (CYA per the of army of lawyers). The rear end ratio topic has been cross checked and should be put to rest.

New question (since the rear end ratio is known to be 4:56 in all versions of H3);

What are the gear ratios of the 5 speed and what are the gear ratios of the automatic?

We do not want to depend on outdated or inaccurate Marketing info.

S.

[DRTYFN]

No such thing as an "H1 alpha crew cab".

[fourfourto]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it's funny how some guys gotta try to make themselves feel smarter by putting other people down. You could pull the cover off an axle, SHOW 'em a 4.10 gear set, they'll still post pictures of a guy with their head up their arse. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not trying to be smarter just thought it was funny.

[lamric]

Here's a link to the MOTORTREND article stating that the H3 had either a 4.10:1 or 4.56:1 rear end.


"Built on a modified Colorado/Canyon pickup truck frame (with more crossmembers and more frame boxing), the H3 shares many major components with its siblings; all three are built in GM's Shreveport, Louisiana, plant. The only engine available at launch of the littlest Hummer will be the Vortec 3500 I-5, rated at 220 horsepower and 225 pound-feet of torque. This may not sound like much power to move 4700 pounds, but combined with low (4.10:1 or 4.56:1) axle gears and a choice of manual or automatic transmission, there's quite a bit of oomph off the line."

[HIHUMMER]

AH!! A man who can admit when he's wrong!! Great Huck!!! Everyone forgives you.