Has anyone else had to have the entire head replaced? I smell recall.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I am a little confused or you are. The title AND you stated in your opening post that the head had to be replaced. Yet you followed that up with the fact that you are waiting because "He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He said and I quote"The new head will go to a machine shop to be worked" He was speaking of the new head. He said "The new parts (e.g. valves) do not fit perfectly together and must be fitted to to the place that they seat.

Geez you guys sure defend you H3's </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't have a H3. I defend common sense and intelligence.

[Huck BB62]

I've got only ONE QUESTION. If this is simply a matter of the computer running the engine lean, why aren't we all being called in to be reprogrammed before it tears up our heads? Hmmm?!? Inquiring minds want to know.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I started a thread and it shows you were invited however you havent joined

I can see it at:

Go/my space/private messaging/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Funny, I didn't get a PM either.

Must be something else that is broke only for you.

A little more of why your whole story sounds like BS is because the problems with the Colorado/Canyon I-5s were related to the valve springs. To solve those problems, they did not replace the head, valves or anything except the valve springs and didn't need to pull the head to do it.

Of course, you haven't mentioned who the dealer is, who your service writer is, or anything that legit owners here bring up when they have problems crop up like this.

[f5fstop]

Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing.
So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity).
If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.)
Would hope they are not out muddin' but for a dealer to make these statements make me think the dealer is full of poopie (that's a politically correct word for **** ).
As for miles on vehicles and repairs, you appear to have been very lucky over the years.
In the past ten years, I have had the following experiences with cars:
1995 SSEi - Updated Calibration
1996 SSEi - Nothing
1997 Jeep - Exhaust manifold, ignition coil, cylinder head, timing chain, all withing 12K, then nothing for another 20+K. Guess the dealer finally got it right.
1998 SSEi - Recalibration and new floor mats
1998 Cadillac Caterra - Nothing big, but in one year, 14 trips (half towed) to the dealer
1999 Corvette - Nothing until I took it apart and modified it, which I'm still doing.
1999 GTP - Nothing
2001 GTP - Head up display replaced
2003 Corvette - Three trips to dealer (one was for a broken ignition key ring attachment)
2003 Jeep Wrangler - Spark plug, exhaust manifold.

I guess what I'm saying is that some cars break, some don't.

Yes, we do defend the H3, but look at this logically. Your first post is full of ambiguous and far fetech statements, and again, your last sentence makes you appear to be a troll.
I understand there are people out there who actually believe what a service person says, but for many of us, we believe half of what they say and ignore the other half.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strange, didn't get it.

As for why there is not a recall if it is a calibration.

If this is a legitimate thread, it takes time to write a calibration. The problem has to be analyzed. Makes no sense to go out with a new calibration that could cause other problems.
If an engine is burning too lean, destroying valves, then it does not make sense to richen up the mixture, and have another problem pop up. In other words, you just can't fix a lean condition, and every time an engine calibration is changed, it has to be emission certified.
In addition, it could be what is called a "quality spill." Heads may actually be the problem and only certain ones are affected. (Similar to the rear axle problem early in the game.)
Then again, if it is only five or ten H3s that have shown up, out of 28K that have been sold, this won't even attract attention.
TAC will send a report to the powertrain engineering report, but if it just started it takes time to come out with a repair.

They have quite a few of these H3s in the GM fleet, some with loads of miles, and I have not heard a thing about this problem (doesn't mean it does not exist). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well thats what he's telling me. I guess he's lying to me.

I sent you the PM with the VIN by clicking on start a private thread. Did you check there?

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HIHUMMER:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man u guys r a**holes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NANA NANA NANA....u guys r a**holes!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You were included. Geez </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks.

[HIHUMMER]

[f5fstop]

bparker...you have a point, never thought of it that way. Having lived in the Nashville area when the H2 first came out, never heard too much sh$t given to the H2 owners, and I knew a couple.
Now that I live in MI, my trip to work in the AM encounters at least two H3s and three H2s and on the way home even a white H1.
But I do know in other areas, there are problems for guys with H2s.

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"I wish I had waited till there was a proven track record for the H3." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Boy. That's better.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I CALL BS! Prove me wrong. What dealer? What service writer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tell you what I will PM you with the dealer info. You can call them and ask.

Does that sound fair?

[HIHUMMER]

Hopefully somone here can help you.

[Modley]

Thanks for your wonderful input. You are so helpful.

Kick a guy while hes down why don't you.

Don't get me wrong I love my hummer. But I'd really love it if I could drive it.

Gees can't a guy vent!

[HIHUMMER]

Now was that freakin hard! Thanks!

[timgco]

Sunrise HUMMER
8500 Highway 64
Bartlett, TN 38133
Phone (901) 333-8000


Paul Baggett is the Hummer Service Manager.

He was not available to talk with when I called. I didnot LVM though.

[trebor]

Ok, look I know he tries to help if you already have a track record on this website. What my issue is, with f5fstop and with anyone else that flames against someone is that they don't even ask before they react. It seems they pass judgment before they even have asked any questions.

f5fstop, you had already decided that you knew what was wrong with my vehicle before you even read my post yourself, I stated that my wife thought it was the brakes. After I test drove it myself I told you it was when you shifted from reverse to drive or from drive to reverse, while coming to a complete stop. You still insisted that it was in the TCM or PCM. The issue is that people may have the same symptoms on the surface but with out getting deeper and asking questions you will not find out that they may all be different issues.

Modley, I have checked with my sources at GM (which I still have quite a few) they say there is no nation wide issues with the head. You may want to have the dealer check your fuel for water or too high alcohol, if they are using it.

As for everyone here, I don't know what the problem is, I know when you spend $40,000 on a vehicle and something goes wrong, you just want to vent a little. He could have vented at the Jeep dealer while looking for a different vehicle, but he chose to vent here where we should be telling him that it will be fine when the dealer gets it back to him. Instead we are calling him a forum troll and a liar. Makes me want to drive my Hummer in shame of this community.

I will keep my Hummer and I will keep coming here to read the posts. Even f5fstop is helpful, in most cases. I just get a little disappointed when everyone acts like idiots.

I just won't come to ya'll with any problems.
Because ya'll aren't much help in that area.

The forum title needs to be changed to say you can only say good things about your Hummer, if you have a problem keep it to yourself.

[R2]

This sucks, I hope my H3 is ok

[f5fstop]

Ok, I'm back. Something must be wrong with the system, I have no indication a PM was sent, yet there is one, so I apologize for that.
In addition, since you are in the VOL state, I will be nice. (Just moved from there a few months ago.)
Nothing shows on your service history, other than the seats covers being replaced, and the door jamb switch being replaced. Normally, the labor op and repair is not submitted until after the work.
You do have an open campaign (recall) so make sure the dealer checks your rear wiper washer motor, and replace it if necessary. With the cylinder head off the vehicle, this check of the washer motor will take the dealer less than five seconds. If the pump needs to be replaced, it will take them fifteen minutes at the most.
Again, I have to stress that your first post did appear to be that of a troll. However, I still say I can find no problems with a large number of cylinder heads.
Can't even say the dealer is pulling your leg. However, I will reiterate that if the dealer tech cannot lap the new valves to the new head, and build the head up, they are in dire need of some training. It only takes a few hours AT THE MOST.

Good luck...

[hyperion78]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trebor:
It seems they pass judgment before they even have asked any questions.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no I will agree with you on that point that there are a few people that do seem to over top really quickly, but from what I noticed it's not normally the H3 drivers to go off first. No offense to the H2 guys, just an observation. Just a different midset for the two groups, or maybe they just need a hug :-P

[NEOCON1]

f5 nailed it

[HIHUMMER]

As P already mentioned...

Who IS your dealer????

It's only fair that you let us know that so we can make sure that other H3 owners don't get "BS'd" as well.