Great Course!

[Fubar]

Come on Tower. Pictures tell a thousand stories. You don't honestly expect us to believe you had a copilot and Bill Burke & crew along for the ride and no one had a camera or had a chance to take pictures?

Tim,
great find, lots of great photos on that site. I agree a stock H2 would have a tough time getting over even the simplest obstacle on that trail.

[timgco]

I found one of the "4+++ trail" Tower ran while in Moab.

[TootsSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Even little Fred is confused. I'll have to translate but he is saying "Dad, why didn't he drive on that black stuff where I am standing?".

Fred also said to tell t~ (the artist formally known as TallTales) that hiring a guide in Moab is a good idea for some people </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who's "taco bell" dog? The look on this dog's face speaks a million words!!

[DennisAJC]

Just as long as you had fun Tower.

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Ha Ha, big mistake Alec, I am bored tonight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!! YA FACKED NOW BOIIIEEE!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"And your little dog too!! Hee Hee Hee...".

[tower]

Good Lord! Don't any of you work during the day? Thanks for all the cynical comments (not). There's a twisted part of me that wants to not post any photos and let those of you who are so mistrusting stew in your own BS.

Here is the very first run we did on the first (easy) day. Mostly, this day was the same level of stuff that we all did in Moab in April. Bill broke the ice right off the bat by getting stuck in the muck (it was just after some good rains). This is me, strapping him out.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why don't you ask Jason for it. You cried to him enough times about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A dodge? It was you and not Jason that made this claim, put up or.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So you are denying it?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
lol! Talk about some here proceeding from a number of false assumptions....

No good deed will go unpunished.

Thanks for the trip report.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You are one stupid loser. "trip report?" What trip report? We have asked about a "trip report" repeatedly but all we've gotten is the run-around. Your nonsensical one-liners is about as witty as wipers on a goat's butt.

[Hart1]

Alac:

I was wondering when you would "pop" up.

At any rate, Tower's first post was focused on what Mr. Burk Offered...So the subject seemed to me to be Mr. Burk's services and what a good time Tower and his companion had. True?

[DRTYFN]

Where is she anyway?

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
We didn't stay on any one particular trail. Another tough one was the last part of El Dorado. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That would be called Helldarado. But there is no way in Helldorado that you did that trail. Rock Buggy's have a tough time getting through there, let alone a stcok Hummer.
Helldorado

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I found one of the "4+++ trail" Tower ran while in Moab. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Tim, that one is in Kansas

[Hart1]

Why take my words out of context? Here is the context:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
NEVER, not once! I have always researched EVERY single trail I have been on. To go out and start a trail without this intel can be very dangerous, not to mention a risk to your life and others around you. have been luck to meet up with this group to go out and run these trails in CO and UT.


(I responded)
You may be the exception to the rule. I don't know. We should do a poll, a good question is raised.

What if you are with an Expert Guide like Tower was? Would you still do all that mapping?

You are a better person than me or the 4x4 group(s) I hang with. It is fun to explore and hit the unknown...Does this fact make you right and me "wrong"? Or, should one now be subjected to ridicule for not knowing the name of a trail or rating?

Also, I 4x4 Mexico a lot, and without the benefit of 4x4 type maps (they just don't exist for much of Baja)...This won't stop me from going.

However, my outlook on this aspect may need adjustment, thanks for the powerful points you have made.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

4x4 type maps = Trails that are marked and rated. Farbar if you can't understand this I can't help you. This was my meaning, and the context shows.

You even admitted that you came up short on findig rated trails, so I know you understood my claim.

Let the readers decide. I stand by my claims.

[tower]

We didn't stay on any one particular trail. The first day we went south, the next day north of Moab proper. Bill said he found the trails named in a somewhat arbitrary way. The first day was easier stuff including some of 7 Mile Rim. The second day was the tougher stuff. I remember one was called "The Big Ugly". Another tough one was the last part of El Dorado. I'm still not savvy on the geography out there. I hope this helps.

I cut an interior sidewall on The Big Ugly. Bill showed us how to do a good enough sidewall repair to limp out, but I swapped in my spare anyway. Before driving home, I swapped the repaired stock Goodrich tire for a decent used one ($60). I stopped by my dealer when I got back to L.A. and had my Pitman & idler arms replaced (under warranty, of course).

I think I have a couple of photos that H2B shot. I'll post soon.

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HammerH2:
Why do you keep inviting him then? Sounds like a jerk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Only invited him once...Never again.

[DRTYFN]

Hart! = pwn3d!!!

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I found one of the "4+++ trail" Tower ran while in Moab. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Fubar]

Tower,
What the hell are you doing? You get questioned by some of the senior members of this board about a couple comments you made and all of sudden its us that are or should be swimming in our BS?

You claim to have run trails with ratings of 4+ but can't remember there names or where they were. Then you post a picture of you crawling down a nothing obstacle, with a disclaimer that it was the first day and that things got harder. What gives? You shot this stuff digitally so don't give lame excuses for not posting a picture that address the questions at hand. Address the concerns for which you've been questioned on. No one is questioning you went to Moab, no one is questioning you hired Bill Burke as a trail guide. What seams to be in question is your statement about running +4 difficulty trails and which trails exactly they were.

[Fubar]

your a f ing idiot and I'm not going to justify this with a response.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sorry, it's not plausible at all. I simply asked the name of the trails. He made some **** up and posted BS pictures. All a few of us wanted was where he went so we would know. He could have simply called "Burk" and had him "yell" the names of the trails to him over the phone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for proving my point.

I do not share your negativity and pessimism about people. Its not in my nature.

If my only crime is not agreeing with you, I plead guilty.