Lynch Hummer Video

[Firebreather]

brian:

i would take you up on your challenge but for 2 facts: 1. i dont own an H2 and 2. i dont live in Colorado. otherwise, id be right there!

the reading on the discoboard was funny. i saw my name mentioned a few times. u guys look just as silly as we do to an outsider. do u not realize what u drive? a freaking Discovery! its just about the biggest chick SUV in the world! i think half of all college girls who own an suv drive a disco. and of course then it becomes the proverbial "soccer mom" vehicle. but u guys make it out to be the ultimate 4x4. ROTFLMAO!!!

oh wait i forgot...the H2 is the poser vehicle...not the Disco...right? lol! and tell all those guys and gals on the disco board to come get some if they want it. educate me please. even though ive owned a Disco and 2 Range Rovers, i know nothing about them. i did learn one thing over on your board, that 3 H2s flipped over on the LR course...that even a freelander can make it over! wow! that just about makes the H2 the worst 4x4 there is! OMG! u guys are a riot!

and hey that was an awesome story about the independence trail. great job on making it out. u do realize the H2 would have just driven right up and had u home by 6:30 right?

[Fred]

I'm at least glad that i get intelligent responses, not just "my H2 is better than your jeep because it's more expensive". Thankyou at least for that. I am just not a fan of GM taking over an awesome off road vehicle and making it much more road oriented.

[Steve R]

Firebreather...good job trying to bring a sense of reality to someone who is clearly delusional about the capabilities (or lack thereof) of a Disco.

The Disco simply blows: Beside being the biggest "Look, I've got money-chick SUV" ever made...just about everyone who has one can't wait for their lease to run-out so they can unload it. Plagued by mechanical problems and owners professing the lack of quality....the lost-soul of the LR legacy fails to stack-up.

Let's break it down. It comes stock with lovely road tires that have the bite of a gummy-bear. The wheels are medium-sized and the underbelly has little clearance. The front approach angle isn't impressive, but horrifically shallow is the rear which hangs WAAAAYYYY out well past the rear axle. If that isn't bad enough they add a big hitch receiver and a cute little step to further drag on the ground. No rear locker to speak of and the darn thing weighs as much as the H2. VERDICT: NOT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS.

Then there's the H2: huge tires with wide aggressive tread, lots of clearance, significant underbody protection, very steep approach and departure angles, an electronic rear locker and a traction control system with various settings, height control and all sorts of reinforcement.

The Disco is better then the H2 like a $1 bill is more valuable then a $20 bill. Drop a lift-kit, wheels/tires and some lockers....and then we'll talk. Better yet, why not talk to people who want to hear about it...I'd suggest the Discoweb! None of our members feel the need to go over "there" and tell you how superior our rigs are to yours...so why don't you return the favor and deprive us of your viewpoints.

I'm sick of coming to OUR H2 forum to find ourselves defending the H2. Heehaw is right...when your the best, everyone has to take a shot at ya! We've got nothing to prove.

[Steve R]

Musky,

About the B-box's 3 lockers, 2 of them are the front & rear diff-locks. I'm guessing the 3rd is when the transfer case locks and sends power to front & rear axles???? just curious if there is some other mechanical thing.

As far as the video....yeah, they show what they want. About the only thing that seems totally legit is the part where the H2 clears that big concrete step. I'm pretty sure all the other SUV's would damage their front bumpers and general area. You've got to admit that this is one area the steep approach angle and large tires come into play. Course....any modified rig can be made to do that...but still.

[brianfriend]

Alec,

I droped you an e-mail. Don't worry about your experience level. The only way to et experience is to get out there and hit the trails. Everyone starts out with 0 experience and the people that I wheel with don't get hung up on that kind of stuff and neither do I. I oculd tell you obout some of the really stupid things I did in the beginning...dangerous stuff. Any way...I'm not looking to make this a competition thing. I just want to meet new people and get in the dirt. We will save the competition for sometime when we have two stock rigs.

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.

[SOFTTAILJC]

the video was great!!! still laughing....where are the nit wits now?......loved the ending tooo.......soft

[brianfriend]

firebreather,

Good idea to watch the video again. Pay attention to how the other vehicles are driven. Of course they didn't do as well.

I didn't say the h2 was the worst all I said was this is the order that I think they would fall in. gwagon, rr, disco, jeep and I stand behind that. I don't have much experience with the other vehicles because I have no interest in them.

I don't have access to a stock g, or jeep but I could get access to a stock disco 2 and I am willing to bet a 12 pack that I could outwheel a h2 with it. I can't use my own for this challange because it is far from stock now.

Anyone in? This would be kind of fun.

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Mike97ZJ]

Fire, you'd be amazed at what a Grand Cherokee is capable of.

"Station wagon"? /moe/ ..why I oughta..

PS: We need more smileys. I could sure use a "bitch slap" smiley right about now.

[This message was edited by Mike97ZJ on February 13, 2003 at 06:41 AM.]

[This message was edited by Mike97ZJ on February 13, 2003 at 06:42 AM.]

[Firebreather]

Hey Brian...please tell the other Brian from the Discoweb site thanks for calling me interesting.

he is right. i dont have an H2. SO i dont know from experience the true capabilities of the H2. THis is the way i look at it. Everyone fudges their numbers. Everyone brags. I dont think GM or Hummer does it anymore than LR or Jeep. So if the published numbers are better and all the independent mag tests verify those numbers, i feel pretty comfortable that the H2 in stock form is more capable than the other vehicles we have been discussing. But the other brian is right. i dont know it personally. i havent seen it for myself. and yes my Disco did get stuck in mud out in my parents back pasture of their ranch. but there is a good reason for that...it had the stock street tires on it. and they suck!

anyways, i guess just start calling me Smokebreather instead!

[HummerTeam]

Cool video.... Stock rig to stock rig "follow the leader"

http://www.HummerTeam.com
Travis - North Texas

[HeeHaw]

MUSKY give me a break!!! You're the type of guy that ALWAYS has to be right! ALWAYS has to be first! ALWAYS has to be on TOP! PATHETIC!!!!

Can't you even admit that a STOCK H2 kicked all their asses? HELL NO. You come up with a lame excuse and I have seen this over and over from you. I know they are built in defense Mechanisms.

The H2 is NOT the greatest 4x4 on the planet. It is pretty dam good for a STOCK vehicle and is probably better than any one of those shown in the video. Especially the DISCO!!!!!

Don't forget, I owned one for three years. I know what they will do.

You are simply a person who will always come up with an excuse for this thing or the other. Know your type.

GO HOME!

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

[This message was edited by HeeHaw on February 12, 2003 at 10:04 PM.]

[DennisAJC]

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time!

H2 rules! Mind you, some parts were suspiciously unfair but that's life!
Can't wait for my baby to arrive.

[brianfriend]

Just to let you all know ahead of time I am a Rover guy.

That video was simply marketing. I could have driven every one of those vehicle through that course.

To point out a few things:

Range Rover...was not raised up
g wagon...lockers not engaged.
The water crossing...why didn't they how the vehicles actually attempting it. I bet most would have been fine. The rr and discovery and jeep I am fairly sure.

It was a good comercial as long as you know it was just a comercial.

As far as TRUE off roading ability of each of those vehicles shown the G-Wagon would have been the best then the RR and Discover, Jeep and somewhear down the line the h2 would be there.

Here is a question for you guys. Where are the pictures of all the steller off roading that YOU Guys have done? Maybe I just didn't see them yet but come on over and take a look at some of the pictures on the discoweb.org site.

BTW...Im in colorado springs and I off road lots. If anyone is interested in hitting some trails let me know. I don't have any bias towards the vehicles I wheel with, every one has there own preferences, I just like to wheel.

brian friend

If it can break it can be fixed.

[brianfriend]

Firebreather,

I'm hoping to hook up with cohummer. I posted my e-mail. I thin we live about an hour away from each other. This wouldn't be a real competition though because my truck is not staock anymore but I hope we can hook up.

I'll let Brian D know that you read his post lol.

Thanks for the good words on mine and Musky's behalf.

blfsales@cs.com

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Firebreather]

Mike:

No, I wouldnt be surprised. I used to have one. I'm talking stock. And stock they are station wagons IMHO. Now I agree 100% that Jeeps are like the camaros and mustangs of the 4x4 community...more can be done to them to make them more capable for less $ than any other vehicle.

bitch slap me? watch it now, im gonna have to pimp slap your ass back to the jeep board!

[brianfriend]

Dan,

It's obvious that I have some interest in h2 or I wouldn't be here. I like to 4 wheel and I like to talk about it. My comments were mostly based on the video. my experience with h1 was in the Marine Corp so I do have some knoledge of that vehicle. H2 don't know much about but I would love to see one on the trail first hand. Like I said vefore, if I am wrong I will state it publicly, in this forum and the discoweb forum.

To give you an idea of the trail that I wrote about there is not a stock produced vehicle built that could get through it unscathed. On the standard rating system of 1-10 (10 being undrivable) that trail is a 9++. It is the hardest trail in colorado--subjective opinion. But from my own experience of driving Mt Blanca, Holly Cross, Iron Chest, Spring Creek and many others it is by far the most difficult trail I have ever done. But I am sure the h2 would drive right through it.lol

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Firebreather]

ohhhhhhh K brian....the G-Wagon, then the RR, then the Disco, then the Grand Cherokee, then the Lexus, then somewhere way down the list is the H2 in terms of off-road capability!??

thats the funniest post i have ever read! thanks for the laugh!

as a former Ranger Rover, Disco and Grand Cherokee owner, i completely disagree with you. if you were even serious. your post was so preposterous, i dont think you were...perhaps u are just pulling the H2 owners' chain a little...

i dont own a H2...hope to pick up an 04...but i am a self-professed lover of the Range Rover. but i can tell you the Discovery as sold in completely stock form sucks. The tires are horrible. the 4wd system doesnt work nearly as well as the RR. The Grand Cherokee is even worse. as for the RR, it was darn near impossible to get stuck. i wish they would have kept it like it was ie real bumpers, SFA, steel frame etc...the new one is anything but what a RR has been about for the last 40 years..its a Lexus.

i understand why the Rover and Jeep guys have such a hard time accepting the H2 but my goodness! to place it below theDisco, GC and Lexus in stock form is just a little too much! There is definitely some argument to be made re the G wagon and RR but the others? come on!

and i think that video was true. no deception. no decks stacked in favor of any truck. the H2 is just better in stock form.

its kind of like watching the vette and f body crowd say that they can make their cars go faster than a Viper...there is no doubt about it. but in stock form the Viper is faster and whatever u can do to a vette or camaro i can do to a Viper and see more gains from it.

once u start talking about modding these trucks, all bets are off. the facts are simple. in stock form there are only a handful of dedicated specialty vehicles that will out wheel the H2... G-wagon (perhaps)...Rubicon (maybe...new RR (probably not)...Disco (no way)...Jeep GC (absolutely not)...H1 (in some things but not others) face it the H2 is about the best blend between extreme off-road vehicle and family truck there is. without exception. IMHO...of course!

now let me go watch that video again.

[Firebreather]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brianfriend:
Steve,

Who have I bashed? Have been rude or mean or anything like that? I don't think I have even said a bad word about the H2. Am I causing problems for you guys?

I drive my truck off road and it has some bad damage but that is what I bought it for. And after every trip I make I am more and more impressed with the thing. Everyone buys a vehicle for different reasons thats why they make different vehicles.


I guess I am a macho guy. I wrote the story and posted the link here for a few different reasons.

1: I thought you all might be interested in hearing about it and seeing pic.
2. to show that I do know the weekness of my rig
3. to give a bit of credibility that I am not just a www wheeler.
4. to show that with common sence you can overcome most situations that on a trail could leave you stranded
5. and to show that it is very possible to get in over your head.


I just posted a challange because I thought it would be fun to really see how these things do. Is that threatening to you&gt;

Why do you want me off your forum?

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


while I echo a lot of what Steve has to say about what is going on over at the Disco site... I do not want Brian or Musky or anyone else to leave this forum just because they have different trucks or think theirs are better. Let them stay. Brian and Musky both bring a lot to the table regarding 4 wheel drive knowldege and experience. I for one welcome them here even if we disagree about who has the better truck.

think of it like this, its a huge compliment to the H2 that guys who are as capable off road as these two are interested in hanging around here, learning about the truck, and showing interest in it.

i say its all good.

and Brian COHUMMER did accept your challenge. Take him up on it.

[Firebreather]

i agree. but from what i have seen from the magazine tests...not Hummer Mag or Jeep Mag or Rover Mag but the "independent" mags...seem to all include that the H2 is superior to just about anything out there except a few niche vehicles.

some even have found the H2 is better than the H1.

Brian:

tell me the truth...u cant be a fan of those Goodyear wrangler HRs that come stock on the Disco right?

when i had mine, it was a 2001, i drove it out in my parents pasture on flat land in a little bit of mud and the damn thing got stuck...then after my dad pulled me out, i slid all around on the concrete as it couldnt gain any traction or get rid of the mud in the treads. it was horrible. i tries to go up a mild embankment to avoid traffic and the damn tires slid backwards down the hill...the most embarassing thing ever as i had to get back in line in traffic...conversely the Range Rover used to climb up that embankment with ease....

Signed...not a Fan of the Disco but a Range Rover lover...

[DIANE]

I bought my H2 from Lynch Hummer and they were great. I will buy my next one there to (hopefully for my husband).