Hummer H2 Or Porsche Cayenne

[Steve R]

Oh yeah....Chris is a swell guy. He's also very very active over on the gay-pride forum as well. I mean...well....with his Disco and all.

[DCfromCapeCod]

911 still has a 6......

[Steve R]

I think the cayene is a joke. Sorry to come off so strong, but I was expecting MUCH more from Porsche.

Check it out: if the EXACT IDENTICAL vehicle was made by Subaru and sold for $27K....nobody would touch it!!!!!! Think about it...you know I'm right. It's strictly about name & image.

If the H2 is considered an SUV on steroids, then the Cayene is a mid-sized SUV (with mini-van influence) with a powerful/fast engine. I'd love to take it offroading with us...when it gets stuck we can use it for traction.

[Steve R]

A little something we all tend to overlook:

Whatever massive amount we depreciate and thusly save on taxes today....will have to be accounted for when we sell these things and they haven't devaluated to that extent later.

Essentially we have to re-capture the write-off. In the end...we depreciate whatever the actual devaluation is, the huge tax write-off is only an up-front candy piece intended to make you feel wealthier, spend more in an effort to increase marginal demand and create warm fuzzy thoughts about the originator of such legislation. Don't believe the hype...we basically just get that tax-savings on loan.

Damn you for making me use my brain and recalling some economics from my college days!!

There are a LOT of great values on used vehicles in great shape for under $15,000. They won't turn eyes, impress anyone or have that great new smell with a big warranty. So if you have the bucks to go beyond that simple $15K window....you best have the money not to really care about $20K here and there.

Now, if you'll excuse me....I'd like to return to being comfortably numb about the real value of buying such an extravagant toy.

[argonaut]

The cayenne reminds me of an X5. It has nimble handling and is very fast (the turbo is super duper fast). It may or may not be capable offroad (like the X5), but is very comfortable on road, and can handle very well. The H2, on the other hand, is very capable offroad, yet drives very well onroad. It is a quite comfortable vehicle, and I would say is very close in comfort level to the german trucks. That said, I'm sure it is easier to drive and park the cayenne/ X5 in an urban setting. I happen to be a very good parallel parker, so I have no problem with the H2, but I know some people who would rather die than park it downtown. But it really boils down to what you want in an SUV. fast acceleration and high speed on road driving coupled with tight handling, or a gargantuan capable offroader with horrible gas mileage yet is comfortable as a daily driver. Obviously the Hummer is not for everyone, but for those of us who have made the choice and bought our huge "box on wheels" (as that Andkon guy put it, remember him?), we are loving every minute of it and would not trade it for anything. I chose wisely. I have my M5 for speed, although I hardly ever drive that thing anymore. The hummer is just more fun.

[DIANE]

Thanks for the info Mac. No one ever notified us about a recall. The Jag dealer certainly didn't.

[DiscoDancingRover]

Alec what car was that? And Steve look down a bit for my pictures... http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=1236038291&m=234606466 3&r=2316065663#2316065663

[DCfromCapeCod]

Although not nearly the off-road monster the H2 is, the Cayenne has far more technology and design work into it that does the H2. I would not expect the demographic that would buy the H2 to also like the Cayenne but it certainly is more vehicle than the Disco (all-around) and it is much more than soccer-mom Porsche.

Personally, I think that if Subaru made it and sold it at $27K with nice options then it would easily sell 100,000 units the first years out (v.s. 12,500 for Porsche).

If I could get around the looks, I would order one myself.....and I am a hard-core air-cooled guy (1998 C2S Widebody).