Kahr P45

[PARAGON]

I scan througt GT because it has such a eclectic and large amount of information. Here is a posting on the P45

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=457422

[PARAGON]

I have a Done Hume Open Top Agent paddle holster (25USP-C) on order. I prefer paddles and like the agent because it provides a piece of leather that protects the weapon completely from your skin should you not wear an undershirt. I carry wearing shorts and other things w/o belts at times. Good, comfortable holsters and the same model will work for both the P2000 and the sk.

[PARAGON]

ree,

I'm sure you know the P45 is new, so it's going to be slim pickings finding a lot of people who have molested one.

I don't know anything about them but I would suggest finding a place that has a range that will allow you to rent one to shoot first. Obviously, in CC situations, if you lack even the remote confidence in your primary, it could mean the big picture if you had to employ it in a real world scenario.

If it doesn't have it and the gun feels good, there are some recoil reducers that are going to be big market items for the compact large calibers that are here and coming. Something similar to what HK utilizes along with the polymer frame might help wrestle the gun down for situations when your adrenaline is pumping and your mind is racing.

BTW, here is a pic of my P2000sk before I get it treated with Black-T.

[Longhorn]

Sorry for the cross post but I'm excited about this thing!

Here's what I chose. I did some basic research but the HK just felt the best in my hand.

(The salesman told me Homeland Security just selected this gun for all its uses)

HK P2000 .40Cal

[ree]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
Never shot a Kahr. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Seems a little pricey for what you get. They're always around 7-800 bucks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I tend not to price handguns maximizing ounce/dollar. Besides 600+tax here.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And A 6 round mag...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I want small, it's a .45. What do you expect?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are you looking to conceal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes! It's a Kahr compact. People tend to buy these to conceal or toss in a drawer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Home defense? Are you LEO? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What does this matter?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think, in a .45 you can't beat a Sig P220. They're the easiest to shoot .45 you'll ever try and they're 100% reliable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No offense, but I didn't title this topic "Suggestions for best all around .45" I may happen to already have other guns for other purposes

I'm simply interested in a Kahr P45 for it's size, reliability, and simplicity. I've definitely done my research elsewhere. Remember this is a Hummer forum, not a gun forum. And I'm just checking to see, now that this gun's been out for a little while, if anyone here happens to have used one and has some initial impressions.

[PARAGON]

I have a couple of Fobus holsters. I like their mag carriers. The holsters are good for general use, but if you are going to carry often, spend the money on a good leather holster.

FWIW, I don't think Fobus holsters are made of Kydex but of a better synthetic plastic. Kydex has some long term wear issues and can deform.

I have 2 Fobus Roto-holsters. One on a universal mount that will allow you to mount the holster in a multitude of locations and be an easy draw should you need it.

[RIC-H0]

This question is not really related to this posting, but what does this symbol on the slide mean?
I've got the same symbol on the side of my pre-bastardized .40cal Walther p99QPQ.

Ric-H2

[PARAGON]

I didn't really say, but you get what you pay for. Fobus holsters are good for the money but just not an everyday carry option, IMO.

[Operator24]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ree:
I've never been to an IDPA match so maybe you can answer me this. I know the equipment is supposed to be real, practical stuff like you actually carry. But do you think that those who are likely to compete IDPA are also more likely to "go a little further" when it comes to they're carry equipment than your average CCW individual and carry bigger stuff? Also, if you're shooting IDPA, aren't you going to want a 4" barrel or more to enhance accuracy?

I'm really looking for something so conveniently small and light, I'm not going to no bring it along because it's too heavy or big.

I still need to get my hands on one. I've bought handguns before sight-unseen and not had the best luck with hand fit. I'm wary about this one being too small...I feel comfortable somewhere between a 1911 single stack and any double stack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've never shot IDPA either. But I've followed it and have friends whom compete in it, I'M NOT CLAIMING EXPERTISE HERE, but maybe I can give you a feel for what they do at IDPA. Yes, generally what people seem to shoot is what they carry, and a lot of them are professional operators. FBI HRT, SWAT and others compete in it and they all shoot 5" (nowllins usually) barrel 1911s, nothing less. I believe A 1911 has won all but 1 time. A sig P220 won ONCE. It was a back up because his 1911 broke. Military folk tend to compete in the El Presidente, its more like combat drills than target shooting.

My compact .45 is a UC Springfield (3.5" bull type barrle). 7 round mags. I understand what you mean by fit of hand, and my hands are med-small. So a 1911 is generally the only thing that fits well for me.

I personally don't like light weight .45s with short barrels. They're too difficult to control when shooting rapidly for my taste (insane muzzle flip) and I bet the Kahr (being a polymer frame) wouldn't be my first choice. Maybe you're a better shooter with a bigger hand? That might make the Kahr a good choice for you then, but still consider my point.

I like the UC springer in the pic below because its got heft to it (forged stainless frame not alloy LW). The felt recoil is managable due to its extra weight I think. These are easy to conceal because they're thiner than most polymer guns too. Holsters are easy to find for a 1911 as well. For a CCW application, you'll love to carry a small 1911. The biggest down side is that they're not very accurate with +P ammo. This gun generally only likes plain ol' 230 FMJ. Most 1911s will tend to shoot low with that grain load. A good shooter will know that and adjust their sight picture accordingly. I hope some of this helps. Post up a pic of whatever you decide on! If you do go with the Kahr, let us know what you think of it! Most of the people I shoot with only shoot 1911s and HKs, so a little feedback on Kahrs would be great.

[ree]

Anyone try/own a Kahr P45 yet? Local shops don't have one in yet for me to try. Any opinions on this particular weapon welcome.

-*-*- NO GLOCK VS THIS VS THAT CRAP, PLEASE! -*-*-

[Longhorn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Don't believe salesmen! Did you buy your hummer based solely on the claims of the salesperson?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ree, I bought the gun because it felt good (as stated) and the brand has a great rep. Thanks for the links though! Now I know.

I would like to retain your services as my Midwestern research assistant through the 1st quarter of 2006. Feel free to correct and quote me as needed.

As far the HUMMER, I bought it for the same reason as everyone else here - to compensate for a small hog.

Paragon-

I really liked the subcompact too. I don't think you can go wrong with HK.

What do you recomend for holster options? (Model/Manufacturer) I've looked at a few by Galco but I can't decide.

[Operator24]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
Again, not an expert, never competed. I was thiking only of CDP though. Sorry for the confusion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Although you can shoot a few other pistols in CDP, 1911's tend to dominate it and it is rare to see any other type of pistol win in CDP. Likewise for SSP, Glocks dominate in that division. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for being civil PhilD. Also, thanks for the info! I've never had the personal interest to compete, yet, but am still a novice. Still finding what I like to shoot. I do like to share what I've found so far as I feel I approach it methodically. I'd have to work in a professional post of some kind and hold professional training before I'd personally consider comps though. For the time being, I'm happy to shoot with people who do compete in these. I find they're the best folk to learn from. They approach it methodically too. Have you competed before?

[Operator24]

To be helpful with your quest for finding someone whom has shot a Kahr, may I suggest two possible places.

http://www.1911forum.com

or better yet

http://www.glocktalk.com (has forums for all kinds of other non-glock guns with very active forums.)

[Operator24]

Never shot a Kahr. Seems a little pricey for what you get. They're always around 7-800 bucks. And A 6 round mag...? Are you looking to conceal? Home defense? Are you LEO?

I think, in a .45 you can't beat a Sig P220. They're the easiest to shoot .45 you'll ever try and they're 100% reliable.

[Klaus]

My last purchase was a toy!

[Operator24]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
To be helpful with your quest for finding someone whom has shot a Kahr, may I suggest two possible places.

http://www.1911forum.com

or better yet

http://www.glocktalk.com (has forums for all kinds of other non-glock guns with very active forums.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's like telling someone to go to a Jeep forum to info on a H2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm unaware of any Kahr specific forums. Just thought this would be helpful... doesn't seem like anyone here has shot a Kahr before?

[Bondage]

I've shot several models by Kahr. I have to say, though they have a good rep and people I know and trust know them better than I and trust them, IMHO, ummm, well, I don't like 'em. LOL Can't give you a good reason. Just a feel and a firing experience that didn't sit well. I hate to say this, but (to me)they feel more like a Jennings than an HK or SIG. Ouch. Sorry. But that is just how they felt to me and I can't even say why. If you end up getting one, PLEASE torture and fire the crap outta it and let us know what you find?

Sean