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The Avalanche with an 8.1, eh.... Well that only puts out 320 HP @ 4200 rpm, and 440 lb.-ft. @ 3200 rpm. What does the H2 get with 2.1 l. LESS of displacement? Could it be just 4HP less? Of course your H2 generates it's HP at 5200rpms and it's peak tourqe at 4000 rpms, but that's a lot of extra space in the 8.1 for 4 extra horses.
Then again, look at the bore and stroke differences. The H2 is bored and stroked at 4 X 3.62 / 101.6 X 92 and the Avalanche B&S is 4.25 X 4.37 / 108 X 111. That and the fact that the Avalanche runs a 9.1:1 compression ratio and the Hummer gets 9.4:1. I don't know what all that will prove, except that I'm not as big a fan of the big block 8.1 as I am of the 6.0
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Thanks for all that Drag... 
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You're welcome. Anything I can do to confuse the issue more? 
Just kidding. In a personal decision, the H2 wins over Avalanche, even though some Avalanche models also qualify for the tax break, and some aren't even rated by the EPA for fuel economy, same as the H2.
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Dan, where did u get that picture with the SUT near the mirage? the others that u posted below that (excluding the offraod one) all look digitally mastered yet again. that covering that those show for the bed is simply awful. but that offroad pic was really really nice. gray doesnt look as bad as i thot it might potentially be. well post anymore pics that u can find. 
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I got the pic of the SUT in front of the Mirage, and the 2 pewter Dirt Sports models off of the GM Media website. I have a login to view the pics. That's all they had though. They might look adjusted because I reduced the size. They are HUGE in original format.
The last one I forwarded from someone who posted it on the "other" list.
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Those are the sweetest pix I've seen so far. I bet the SUT is going to sell really well, 30-40% of H2 sales will be SUT.
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With the mid gate down, do you think there will be room for a full size ATV? I've been considering the Avalanche or a pick-up for that very reason, but would definitely consider the SUT if an ATV would fit !!
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Why would the SUT be more than the H2? The H1 wagon is more than the truck version...
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Its not supposed to be more expensive. The latest info says pricing in line with the SUV. The Dirt Sports model pictured above is a package that will supposedly put it up to the $58-60K range.
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Drag Racer thanks for all the vital stats on both the 6.0 and 8.1.....Being as how I have both and drive both I can tell you that irregardless of the stats and purported horsepower and torque ratings the 8.1 is way more engine tahn the 6.1. It may be a BIG BLOCK with 496 cubes but it sounds and is string throughout the rpm range.
I am interested in the SUT.....my H2 isn't bad neither is my Avalanche and I may just trade em both but the SUT bed is smaller and I know I am gonna miss the 8.1.....Too bad GM doesn't squeeze it in the SUT......then they would have a 100% vehicle.
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Great pix Dan.......I can imagine how excited you must be after all this wait. I couldn't do it and bought a H2......glad I did.
Imagine the kinda guy it took to get that dirt bike into the mount on the bed..... WOW!
The color must be new or a special "one off" but it looks nice.
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Man, I'd hate to try and load those dirt bikes on the white SUT. That looks like a royal pain.
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I think that's the proposed "Desert Sand" color.
I could get that bike up there! 
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Dick,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I am interested in the SUT.....my H2 isn't bad neither is my Avalanche and I may just trade em both but the SUT bed is smaller and I know I am gonna miss the 8.1.....Too bad GM doesn't squeeze it in the SUT......then they would have a 100% vehicle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hell, GM can't even fit the 6.6 Duramax into the H2 engine bay. When you think about it, the engine bay is pretty small in the Hummer, and the wheel wells take up a LOT of space in the lateral front of the bay. Having to put in an 8.1 would mean an angled, longitudinal mount, and that's something that would require a hell of a lot of new engineering. Pass that along to the consumer in the form of higher sticker pirces, and still no rebates, and I just don't think GM will sell that many.
Give the 6.0 some time as the standard H2 engine, and once the initial R&D costs are paid off, (Even as much as GM saves by platform sharing, it's still expensive to develop a new engine and powetrain platform) and then we'll see some engine options. I'd love to see the 8.1, and I've never driven one. I've driven the 6.0 and the 5.3, and I loved them both. 
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