Jeep versus H3

[marin8703]

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

To be honest with y'all, I'm not really a big fan of the H2 either. I like them, but I woudn't drive one. One of the reasons I bought a H is the "color"...

....sorry fellows, I found this review about the H1 and H2....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGM97caMqyc

haha, lol. that was a good laugh. althou i love the h1. i especially liked the 1 mpg on the h2 but is that possible, or was that dude just busting balls. anyway i love my hummer and all the others too. i like jeeps too, but for some reason i am a little turned off by FJs.
i also wonder what the jeepers and fjers will be saing when the V8 comes out. so far all they trash is the power, when we get that are they gona die out or hows it gona happen?

[jdrew]

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79

I now see the light, stick around long enough and you will too.

Harumph!!

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

Lol, that was the other guy!

Too much cough syrup this morning.. lol

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

It would be nice if they can't see who edited the post...

That was great for healing wounds, HUH?

RYD

[H3.007]

Originally Posted by big jake

I am torned between these two vehicles. It would appear that the Jeep has better ground clearance and water fording per Hummers and Jeeps website. The top comes off on the Jeep but the Hummer was quiter on the highway. The power is really lacking in the H3 although the Jeep is not much better. My wife thinks the H3 in kindy of cheesy (wanna be H2 owners). I am kinda leaning that way too. After all thier is only one Jeep. I promise if I see a H3 on the trail I will wave and be happy to pull you out as long as you sign a waiver when the Jeep pulls your bumper off.

Ummmmm..... you can inform your "wife" that I bought the H3 because I wanted it. It sat among many H2s. I could have easily afforded the latter. However, read the reviews, look at the style, and drive the two. Anyone who does an unbiased test will go with the H3. The H2s are parking lot pleasers. Period.

[stagger_lee]

Lets get back to talking shop, fegs...H3 - capable or not? Obviously not in the same category as Rubicon or FJ, but close? Will I be able to keep up with my brother in his FJ? ?...unless we need to ford 28 in of water. haha

[jdrew]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Lets get back to talking shop, fegs...H3 - capable or not? Obviously not in the same category as Rubicon or FJ, but close? Will I be able to keep up with my brother in his FJ? ?...unless we need to ford 28 in of water. haha

You are right, they are not in the same category as a Rubicon or FJ, one step above, period. Take stock to stock... they know it, we know it. Put 35's on an H3? Forgetaboutit.

Keep up with your brother in his FJ? Without sounding biased, yes. And them some. He will have problems keeping up with you... Get the rear diff locker..

[DRTYFN]

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

To be honest with y'all, I'm not really a big fan of the H2 either. I like them, but I woudn't drive one. One of the reasons I bought a H is the "color"...

....sorry fellows, I found this review about the H1 and H2....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGM97caMqyc

I saw that a while back. I lost all respect for Top Gear after that feature. Very

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by H3.007

Ummmmm..... you can inform your "wife" that I bought the H3 because I wanted it. It sat among many H2s. I could have easily afforded the latter. However, read the reviews, look at the style, and drive the two. Anyone who does an unbiased test will go with the H3. The H2s are parking lot pleasers. Period.

haha I agree, H2 was like the retarded, fat, redhead stepbrother of the H1.

[jdrew]

lol

[Desert Dan]

Stagger Lee
It is more about the driver than the rig.

The LWB Rubicon with out do anything out of the showroom but maybe a Dodge Power Wagon or H1 or a tractor.

The H3 will keep up with the FJ just fine. The H3 is a better overall daily driver rig than the JK. quieter better ride etc.

If the JK was out at the time I was looking at the H3 I might have gone with a LWB Rubicon but so far I am very pleased with the H3.

Get and and have some fun

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by jdrew

You are right, they are not in the same category as a Rubicon or FJ, one step above, period. Take stock to stock... they know it, we know it. Put 35's on an H3? Forgetaboutit.

Keep up with your brother in his FJ? Without sounding biased, yes. And them some. He will have problems keeping up with you... Get the rear diff locker..

Even with a front and rear Dana 44 and front and rear lockers? ...sometimes size isn't going to get you there...devils advocate.

Yeah I am looking for answers here, because I want one (H3), so thats good to hear. We'll see what we can break first. We use our rigs to the max, so we'll be the judge. I definately love the 35" in tires on a stocker. I assume by being able to put 35's on there they made sure the axles were stout enough to handle that size and weight...??

[DRTYFN]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

haha I agree, H2 was like the retarded, fat, redhead stepbrother of the H1.

[Demo]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Even with a front and rear Dana 44 and front and rear lockers? ...sometimes size isn't going to get you there...devils advocate.

Yeah I am looking for answers here, because I want one (H3), so thats good to hear. We'll see what we can break first. We use our rigs to the max, so we'll be the judge. I definately love the 35" in tires on a stocker. I assume by being able to put 35's on there they made sure the axles were stout enough to handle that size and weight...??

We try not to think about it..

[The Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

fegs...H3 - capable or not? Obviously not in the same category as Rubicon or FJ, but close? Will I be able to keep up with my brother in his FJ? ?...unless we need to ford 28 in of water. haha

Ok now, wait a minute. The Rubicon I understand, but the FJ? ....please!
245 hp, V6 .....big deal!!! What are the departure and approach angles? You have to modify that thing to be wheelable! The skid plate is Plus, who wants to be seen in it! The FJ probably the gheyest of the ghey!

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by Desert Dan

Stagger Lee
It is more about the driver than the rig.

The LWB Rubicon with out do anything out of the showroom but maybe a Dodge Power Wagon or H1 or a tractor.

The H3 will keep up with the FJ just fine. The H3 is a better overall daily driver rig than the JK. quieter better ride etc.

If the JK was out at the time I was looking at the H3 I might have gone with a LWB Rubicon but so far I am very pleased with the H3.

Get and and have some fun

Definately agree about the driver being the key factor. I will be using my H3 as a my daily. But at the same time I love to push my vehicles to the max. My Fj40 is more like operating a tractor then anything, so daily driver? not so much. My family has grown up 4 wheelin, so naturally we worry about the little things (big things) ie: spline count, ratios, cv joint strength and what not. Not typical worries for most. Thanks though. I test drove it last night, and I love it (H3).

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

Ok now, wait a minute. The Rubicon I understand, but the FJ? ....please!
245 hp, V6 .....big deal!!! What are the departure and approach angles? You have to modify that thing to be wheelable! The skid plate is Plus, who wants to be seen in it! The FJ probably the gheyest of the ghey!

Have you ridden in one? I wouldn't say a thing until your hanging on the side of a cliff, very capable. Not pretty, but capable.

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by DemoDaddy79

We try not to think about it..

You try not to think about blowing an axle when your out having fun? You might want to start thinking about it, or carry a spare. Most vehicles you cant just slap bigger tires on without lower gear ratio and or beefier axles. I dont know about the axle strength of the H3 thats why I was asking.

Also given that you owned a lifted discovery you should know about weak axles. Very low spline count for having an offset rear axle = much breakage or twisting when used for intended purposes. Crawling. I dont think that rovers are anywhere near the level of H3, Rubicon or FJ are at. Unlees we are talking about the Defender.

All due respect to all here of course, I am inquiring and getting info not bashing anybody. I appreciate the info given already.

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Have you ridden in one? I wouldn't say a thing until your hanging on the side of a cliff, very capable. Not pretty, but capable.

Yeah, but to put it in the same league as the H3, it'd take a lot of money, and it wouldn't sidehill very nicely. The FJ's turning radius it awful, it's mileage a couple MPG lower, and to put 35s on it takes a lot of dough. How about it's crawl ratio?

Again, I think Jeep missed the boat by not putting the PowerWagon's drive train under it, it'd be a kick butt rig then!

Likewise with the H3, and I'm gonna harp on it until they make it: Right size the components for the abuse. Make the Alpha, they will come.

[Scouts Out]

I rarely take acception to post here but Scout II's were great trail vehicles. 165 HP but well over 350 LB of torque. dana 's front and rear. Now as I slightly age I would never consider one, road manners were equal to a pig and the body rusted as you watched. It had a fully boxed frame, easily lifted.....

I love my 3, probably the best all around vehicle I have owned, but the Scout was a fine vehicle. Remember, in the wise words of Sir Rodney King, "Can't we all get along"

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by Huck BB62

Yeah, but to put it in the same league as the H3, it'd take a lot of money, and it wouldn't sidehill very nicely. The FJ's turning radius it awful, it's mileage a couple MPG lower, and to put 35s on it takes a lot of dough. How about it's crawl ratio?

Again, I think Jeep missed the boat by not putting the PowerWagon's drive train under it, it'd be a kick butt rig then!

Likewise with the H3, and I'm gonna harp on it until they make it: Right size the components for the abuse. Make the Alpha, they will come.

Few arguments, but not many, To only lose a couple miles a gallon , and gain 25 horses and a good amount of torque, well, that might sway me towards the FJ, keep in mind Im most likely driving home in a H3 tonite, so. The other thing is that tire size isn't always going to be the determining factor in getting through an obsticle. On to Jeeps (Rubicon) - 44s front and rear in something as light as a wrangler body is plenty stout for me unless I want to run 37" tires which would require a significant lift (Rubicon Express) as it is, so having said that. Also keep in mind that I come from a rock crawling background, so I have knowledge bias towards that type wheeling. Again with all due respect to all.